Love the delusion and paranoia of some City fans. They really think UEFA have a vendetta against them. They're the football equivalent of the flat earthers or anti-vacs idiots.
Football Leaks: Manchester City accused of using shadow firms to flout rules
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It would be a meaningless title for both us and Liverpool. Same as Inter getting that Scudetto a few years back. It will count and we'll say that we have 21 instead of 20 but it won't bring us joy or pride IMO.
If City somehow gets stripped, better to just void those titles then to give them to the second team IMO.
Of course it matters. UEFA's position is not the same if they want to punish City based on fragmentary leaks in a newspaper compared to documentary evidence they have been able to obtain via their own investigations. The leaks themselves only tell half a story. They will have to have their own investigation confirm as fact any claims involved in the leaks. To confirm some of the stuff alluded to they'd need access to the books of the companies involved. Good luck to them if they plan on forcing companies like Aabar to disclose their books to them.
If they get a point deduction, it will likely apply from the start of next season, that is, they start from a negative.
I seem to remember that already happening to a club before.
I seem to remember that already happening to a club before.
Illegally obtained documents cannot be used in a court. UEFA might use them, so might CAS, but if it goes in a civil court, nah, they will be thrown away and the verdict will be made like they don't exist.
Of course, UEFA is free to do their own investigation, which probably won't be that hard considering that now they know what to look for.
Milan, Fiorentina in Serie A, and Juventus in Serie B. No idea if it happened in England.
Platini's numerous quotes on this topic (some posted by Bobby Manc earlier) directly contradict this. Prior to its first implementation the design of FFP evolved once the G14 got involved. And FFP wouldn't have prevented Portsmouth going bankrupt.
Agree with your last paragraph though. I think Infantino's quotes show that both sides probably had a mutual interest in not taking things too far when we were initially punished -- City/PSG happy to take a small hit, UEFA happy to design a hit that shows they did something, but not significant enough that City/PSG decided to go for a legal challenge. And yes, in 2019 FFP protects City from its owners and protects City's competitive position. It helps us now, but doesn't mean I still don't disagree with its design.
If owners have the money, I don't really see too much of a problem with them investing it as they wish. I'm not that fussed about Bournemouth or Wolves taking the piss out of FFP (Wolves lost a million a week last season) to reach the PL, and no-one on this forum seems particularly fussed either. I think the difference is the scale of City's investment challenges the elite. Wolves and Bournemouth don't.
If they win the league from that position I would say ban every City fan from the forum
You had better be right.
Didn't Portsmouth spend beyond their means? Exactly like City are doing now? You fail to realise that FFP are helping you, City fans, from suffering the same fate as the likes of Portsmouth so you should be thanking them that FFP are making your sugar daddies put everything in legally binding contracts so your club wont collapse without them, at least until the phoney contracts run out, but by that time you'd have enough time to sell off your most valuable assets and go back to being a less relevant club than Middlesbrough, because we all know that you wouldn't get the sponsorship your getting now without your owners.
At least Chelsea fans on here joke about their owner etc, while you blindly follow them like sheep to slaughter, making excuses at each turn. Face it, your club is the face of an ugly organisation and the only reason why you're not getting ripped apart in the press more often is because money talks, you even shower the British press with food and wine, they've said as much.
Btw, the same Platini who has a relative working for PSG? Yeah I'd put as much weight into what that guy says as I do City fans claiming all their sponsorship is real and the fact that they can earn as much as United do and be so close to them in the Forbes list is legitimate.
Try smelling the crap you're spouting before putting it on here, you can't even convince yourself.
City are, have been, and always will be a disgrace to the footballing world. Absolute definition of a nothing club.
Even if they are punished which they probably won't be, the only people that will care are the city fans. If you can find any.
Even if they are punished which they probably won't be, the only people that will care are the city fans. If you can find any.
It´s so obvious when you look at City and PSG what is happening there. There is not a chance in hell they are able to generate the income in the correct way to run those clubs. Chelsea were dealt with quite swiftly with the transfer ban that came out today but even a blind man can see that PSG for example buying Neymar,Mbappe and co must be doing something dodgy to make ends meet. It sure looks like City are doing similar things if the Spiegel reports are right. The french league tv rights have been purchased by a Chinese company starting in 2020 and that is 1,3bn and going up by 60%. So up until then where could PSG have gotten a big chunk of their revenue? It sure as hell is not coming from CL wins at least.
Oh wow, City have tried to curry favour with the press by indulging them in some fine dining
what an unforgivable and heinous act, and surely we must have been the only club to have ever attempted to influence the press. I have no problem with FFP in principle. It is sound and makes sense and has some commendable objectives. However, it has to have enough elasticity to allow for owners who want to invest in a business such as City's owners are doing. City are in a far healthier position financially now than we were prior to the Abu Dhabi takeover. Is that not a good thing? We have just been able to secure one of the biggest kit deals in the world with Puma. Our growth has been immense. The investment has been hugely beneficial for City and Manchester as a whole. If UEFA want to stop similar clubs enjoying what City fans have because the status quo started throwing their toys out of the pram, then yes I object to that. The majority of the United fans in here I doubt would be in favour of a far more egalitarian distribution of revenue throughout the leagues in Europe. Instead, the main and often only grievance is that they have been dethroned. It's the hollow moral posturing that irks me.
PSG is a top 5 shirt seller, just signed a top 3 shirt sponsorship with Accor starting next year and has the most expensive stadium seats in the world, always full. There's still a bit from Qatar but the club is increasingly self sufficient.
Also despite recruiting Neymar and Mbappé PSG has only spent €500m while selling for €250m over the last two years, which isn't that bad.
It will not reach a civil court, because the FFP is not a legal law rather than a football association regulation, even if it reaches the CAS, still can be used.
I remember Chesterfield got hit with a mid-season 9 point deduction in 2001. They were leading the old Third Division until they were penalised for financial shenanigans from previous years.
Mostly I'd agree, taking the CL to a top four qualification did give a bigger split, that said it should be possible to benefit from success and United have been outside of the top four regularly since sir Alex. So it's not that elite.
I don't think City's doping is the problem. I think the doping makes the problem so much bigger that the danger now is that the only chance anyone outside of the top six has now is a sugar daddy, if that turns into the only chance anyone has of winning the league is another sugar daddy then that's football out the window.
Literally nothing matters, just attract the richest owner.....we'd probably benefit from being mediocre for the next five years. We'd be at out most attractive at our lowest ebb.
Rewarding mediocrity is my biggest issue with what happened to City. You were cheap and had United as neighbours to use as marketing tool.
Yea I think we're on the same page to be honest. It was already hard for a mid-table club (or below) to win the title or make the CL. City and Chelsea (just referring to the PL) have made that even harder. You can see that top six issue perfectly this season too, with Chelsea currently in 6th on 56 points, and Wolves in 7th way back on 43 points. And Wolves are financially doped to the gills too
England is probably more competitive than the majority of European leagues too, given the TV money split. The CL revenue point I mentioned is no longer as important in the PL, but it's obviously still a massive problem in a lot of the smaller European leagues where the CL revenue is so disproportionate.
Also agree on your last point. We were cheap and desperate, had a decent stadium with land to expand, and had one of the world's biggest clubs as a cross-city rival. You can see why they went for us.
What are the possible fines or penalties that City will endure?? I hope they get relegated to Championship level football
I'm an a-hole so I will add a little information. Accor is led by a former PSG president and has Sarkozy as one of its board members who is a fan of PSG.
There won't be retrospective titles given as it woulld open a can of worms. The teams that finished fifth that missed on CL would expect some kind of compensation.
The irony of a City fan getting irked with hollow moral posturing. That seems to be all your fans are doing on here.Oh wow, City have tried to curry favour with the press by indulging them in some fine dining
I have no problem with FFP in principle. It is sound and makes sense and has some commendable objectives. However, it has to have enough elasticity to allow for owners who want to invest in a business such as City's owners are doing. City are in a far healthier position financially now than we were prior to the Abu Dhabi takeover. Is that not a good thing? We have just been able to secure one of the biggest kit deals in the world with Puma. Our growth has been immense. The investment has been hugely beneficial for City and Manchester as a whole. If UEFA want to stop similar clubs enjoying what City fans have because the status quo started throwing their toys out of the pram, then yes I object to that. The majority of the United fans in here I doubt would be in favour of a far more egalitarian distribution of revenue throughout the leagues in Europe. Instead, the main and often only grievance is that they have been dethroned. It's the hollow moral posturing that irks me.
Yea I think we're on the same page to be honest. It was already hard for a mid-table club (or below) to win the title or make the CL. City and Chelsea (just referring to the PL) have made that even harder. You can see that top six issue perfectly this season too, with Chelsea currently in 6th on 56 points, and Wolves in 7th way back on 43 points. And Wolves are financially doped to the gills too
England is probably more competitive than the majority of European leagues too, given the TV money split. The CL revenue point I mentioned is no longer as important in the PL, but it's obviously still a massive problem in a lot of the smaller European leagues where the CL revenue is so disproportionate.
Also agree on your last point. We were cheap and desperate, had a decent stadium with land to expand, and had one of the world's biggest clubs as a cross-city rival. You can see why they went for us.
Would hate England to end up like France.....even as a United fan, apparently wanting to keep the meritocracy, I'd love a return to the 80s where a great manager and good decisions were the decisive factors.
Absolute scenes when we have our recent titles taken away and I can't even go back to supporting Chelsea because they're not even good right now... JK LOL
Southampton started the 09-10 season on minus ten points and Leeds started the 07-08 season on minus fifteen.
So much winning.
Guardiola having a little pepdown already like we should all stand back and admire the billions spent and not query how a club that can sell out its stadium is suddenly one of the most marketable in the world.
What United did the other night with so many academy guys involved - and the joy it caused world wide is what he can only dream of at City. A plastic club whose achievements are about in line with what they should be given their cheating. He wouldn't even give a final bench spot to an academy player last season and left it empty. While ole takes Brandon Williams to Paris
like we should all stand back and admire the billions spent and not query how a club that can sell out its stadium is suddenly one of the most marketable in the world. What United did the other night with so many academy guys involved - and the joy it caused world wide is what he can only dream of at City. A plastic club whose achievements are about in line with what they should be given their cheating. He wouldn't even give a final bench spot to an academy player last season and left it empty. While ole takes Brandon Williams to Paris
Harsh on boro. Class club with classy owner loads of entertainment through the years and great production of youth. Also heavily involved in the community up there. City are beneath boro.
This is certainly starting to build momentum.
Maybe I just want it to be true because feck City but it seems pretty clear to me they've consistently broken the rules. These massive sponsorship deals for a club that consistently fails to sell out it's stadium week after week.
I first thought as usual nothing would happen but I don't know now. This time it feels different, City fans seem worried.
Maybe I just want it to be true because feck City but it seems pretty clear to me they've consistently broken the rules. These massive sponsorship deals for a club that consistently fails to sell out it's stadium week after week.
I first thought as usual nothing would happen but I don't know now. This time it feels different, City fans seem worried.
Yes, but the "loads of entertainment" via Juninho, Ravanelli, Emerson, etc. was surely only possible due to a sugar daddy?! Before FFP restricted sugar daddies, obviously.
Gibsons a local man who certainly put money into the club but has always kept the books well balanced at boro. They'd have no trouble with ffp. Their best seasons were well past those years anyway - under mclaren who got the best from ageing pl strikers hasselbaink viduka and others that were no longer wanted at top clubs.
I agree it seems to have more teet this time but we can't underestimate the greed and shallowness of a small number of people who dictate things. City's owner will have this brushed away
First part, other clubs are generous on certain holidays, from theOh wow, City have tried to curry favour with the press by indulging them in some fine dining
I have no problem with FFP in principle. It is sound and makes sense and has some commendable objectives. However, it has to have enough elasticity to allow for owners who want to invest in a business such as City's owners are doing. City are in a far healthier position financially now than we were prior to the Abu Dhabi takeover. Is that not a good thing? We have just been able to secure one of the biggest kit deals in the world with Puma. Our growth has been immense. The investment has been hugely beneficial for City and Manchester as a whole. If UEFA want to stop similar clubs enjoying what City fans have because the status quo started throwing their toys out of the pram, then yes I object to that. The majority of the United fans in here I doubt would be in favour of a far more egalitarian distribution of revenue throughout the leagues in Europe. Instead, the main and often only grievance is that they have been dethroned. It's the hollow moral posturing that irks me.
Well to be fair, City wouldn't return to their state pre sugar daddy, so they have a great youth set up they could call upon etc, so I'd expect them to be better than they were before (not constantly relegated/promoted).
I'd expect them to be like current Leicester.l City.
ffs don't crack you bald twat. We are counting on you to stop Liverpool winning title this season.
My thoughts
save the meltdown for summerQuick, buy him some fullbacks!
Won't make much difference if anyone actually punishes them properly for their flagrant flouting of the rules. Even a 3 point penalty could feck it all up.
Would love if they got a point deduction just to make liverpools title win look like a joke if city has more points than them without the deductions. Would be the best way to endure liverpool winning since it would be a fake win
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good post. what do you think was different about the game post 1992 though when the old European cup had winners from Yugoslavia and Romania and even teams like Goteborg, Celtic, etc were quite good. It seems as though top level European football is a lot less 'fluid' than it was in the 70s and 80s, where it does indeed seem like some teams are too big to fail. As much as we have struggled after Fergie retired for e.g no one is really going to bet on us becoming a club who are lost in the wilderness and just bouncing in and out of the top 4 while failing to compete for any of the titles. We haven't technically done THAT badly since 2013 either if you were to honestly examine our fortunes since then.