Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

[Amadaeus]

Well I like Poch and wanted him to be ManUtd manager. No you post so much nonsense like those Messi, Ronaldo fan boys.

No Pereira isn't a good choice. We have Pogba already in the team and just took off Matic, why bring Pereira when Ole could have just played Pogba as #10 with Matic, Fred holding the midfield?

You just looked at result and making random points, not even random just poor points naming Gomes, Chong, Pereira.

Yes, and Pogba has not played alongside Pereira before. We can have two or more creators in the team. We needed a goal and Fred was not helping with that. Fred as the destroyer was more beneficial than him as a creator. Without that tackle at the end, we would have been down 3-0, so he has the capacity. You believe it is a poor points, but if everyone taught the same way, every fan on here would become top managers.

You regularly watch our youth games?

Not regularly but I managed to catch some few games on my spare time and if I missed a game I wanted to watched, their are always recording that I can catch later on.

 

[Heinzesight]

Ole’s post match interview is pretty much bang on.

 

[Wayne's World]

Yeah bad day in the office from us, can't blame Ole too much on some poor finishing and a penalty that could easily have been prevented from the ref

It's how we respond against Wolves which will be telling

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

I don’t think this is a criticism of him, but my thoughts:
- It is tough to know how much of this run to attribute to him versus the weight of Mourinho just being lifted off the shoulders of these players. It’s probably fair to say that quite a few interim managers would’ve seen a similar bounce, and also probably fair to say they wouldn’t have been as likely to sustain it like he has.
- He does seem to be playing the hits, the Fergie hits, even to the point he tried bringing back the 4-4-2 already. I get why he would, but it’s not making it easier to determine if he’s got any real philosophy of his own, and the confidence to execute it, or if he’s just doing what he thinks Fergie might do.
- It is the right decision to announce a permanent manager in the summer, be it Ole or someone else. I don’t trust the board to make the right decision.

 

[Ban]

I don’t think this is a criticism of him, but my thoughts:
- It is tough to know how much of this run to attribute to him versus the weight of Mourinho just being lifted off the shoulders of these players. It’s probably fair to say that quite a few interim managers would’ve seen a similar bounce, and also probably fair to say they wouldn’t have been as likely to sustain it like he has.
- He does seem to be playing the hits, the Fergie hits, even to the point he tried bringing back the 4-4-2 already. I get why he would, but it’s not making it easier to determine if he’s got any real philosophy of his own, and the confidence to execute it, or if he’s just doing what he thinks Fergie might do.
- It is the right decision to announce a permanent manager in the summer, be it Ole or someone else. I don’t trust the board to make the right decision.

You think he just throws formations based on what Fergie would do? That's sounds a bit harsh and way too simplistic.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

You think he just throws formations based on what Fergie would do? That's sounds a bit harsh and way too simplistic.

No, Ban, I don’t think that’s all there is to it. I do however think that a 4-4-2 has been forced the last 2 times out.

 

[Ban]

No, Ban, I don’t think that’s all there is to it. I do however think that a 4-4-2 has been forced the last 2 times out.

If anything it shows his flexibility.

 

[Sandikan]

We'll now get to see if he has one of Fergie's best characteristics, the ability to hit back next time out.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

If anything it shows his flexibility.

Because flexible is a way you would describe recent PL champions: Chelsea, Leicester, Chelsea, Man City.

I’m not saying it’s good or bad yet. I thought my post made it pretty clear that there are some things that make it tough to evaluate.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Loved how he set up. Had most of the possession against a top 4 team, created the most chances and limited them to very little. Our players didn't take our chances today, and it cost us in the end. The unlucky goal, bogus penalty and a few of our players having weirdly disappointing performances lost us the game. Not tactics. Sure, I would have settled for a boring 0-0 draw this game but I'm sure most of our fans would be a bit disappointed if we didn't try to give Arsenal a run for their money. The way that we lost this game I have no problem with

This.

 

[Moriarty]

We'll now get to see if he has one of Fergie's best characteristics, the ability to hit back next time out.

Don't think we'll have to worry on that score.

 

[Lentwood]

There we go, we’ve lost a game and people are out in force claiming there are “question marks” over OGS

I think everyone on this forum needs to read “Fooled by Randomness”

There is a large element of randomness in football results. People seem to think its this meticulously tactical and logical game of chess where a manager shuffles XI players around a board but it couldn’t be further from the truth

If Lukaku scores that sitter at 0-0 we win this comfortably. If De Gea stands up and falls on a tame effort we win this comfortably

If Lukaku had scored either of his other two big chances we probably go on to win

If Moss doesn’t give an awful penalty we probably draw at least

All of this after-the-fact analysis is absolute nonsense. Football matches compromise human beings taking hundreds of thousands of individual tiny actions with one step either way or one thought reaching the brain a fraction of a second quicker than another completely changing the outcome. Kind of like the butterfly effect.

The “fools” go back over games and retrospectively assign huge meaning to acts that came about as a result of randomness.

 

[King_Eric]

http://solskjaertabellen.com/

Brilliant. Thanks.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Ole changed to 3-5-2 and United got better and only woodwork, a wrong decision from the ref and some bad executions in front of goal stood in the way of a win imo. But hey, keep playing the blame game

Getting kind of comical now haha. He's going to be the manager. Get fecking used to it. Now let's kick Wolves out of the FA.

 

[Ban]

Because flexible is a way you would describe recent PL champions: Chelsea, Leicester, Chelsea, Man City.

I’m not saying it’s good or bad yet. I thought my post made it pretty clear that there are some things that make it tough to evaluate.

Flexible in the sense you don't play always the same and change your formation based on the circumstances. Not too much of course but..

 

[soaphroniscuss]

There we go, we’ve lost a game and people are out in force claiming there are “question marks” over OGS

I think everyone on this forum needs to read “Fooled by Randomness”

There is a large element of randomness in football results. People seem to think its this meticulously tactical and logical game of chess where a manager shuffles XI players around a board but it couldn’t be further from the truth

The “fools” go back over games and retrospectively assign huge meaning to acts that came about as a result of randomness.

Even in the most random of systems patterns emerge. There are question marks above OGS not because of this game, but because of the patterns within the previous games under him and because of what we know about the demands of managing this club.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Flexible in the sense you don't play always the same and change your formation based on the circumstances. Not too much of course but..

It can be asked why would he put us in a formation we’ve not played in years, away to PSG. It was a shocker to start and credit to him he changed it. And it can also be asked why he chose that same formation away to the team we are battling for 4th. Is it part of a plan or is it showing some naivety?

Is it unfair to ask these questions, Ban?

 

[Joeace2020]

There we go, we’ve lost a game and people are out in force claiming there are “question marks” over OGS

I think everyone on this forum needs to read “Fooled by Randomness”

There is a large element of randomness in football results. People seem to think its this meticulously tactical and logical game of chess where a manager shuffles XI players around a board but it couldn’t be further from the truth

If Lukaku scores that sitter at 0-0 we win this comfortably. If De Gea stands up and falls on a tame effort we win this comfortably

If Lukaku had scored either of his other two big chances we probably go on to win

If Moss doesn’t give an awful penalty we probably draw at least

All of this after-the-fact analysis is absolute nonsense. Football matches compromise human beings taking hundreds of thousands of individual tiny actions with one step either way or one thought reaching the brain a fraction of a second quicker than another completely changing the outcome. Kind of like the butterfly effect.

The “fools” go back over games and retrospectively assign huge meaning to acts that came about as a result of randomness.

This sums it up really. Every fan thinks himself some tactical god and needs to point out mistakes by the manager as if any human being can get it right 100% of the time. It really does me in seeing people go on and on about this formation and that formation, that player that should not have played and the one that did. Football is a game of tiny margins. If it goes your way even when you are not the best on the pitch (Utd against PSG) then it's your day then there are days it just isn't going to work out.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Anyone notice today that he was talking to McKenna in the firtst half and soon after we changed formation. Is McKenna the tactical brain?

 

[Canagel]

We'll now get to see if he has one of Fergie's best characteristics, the ability to hit back next time out.

Didn't we already do so after 0-2 vs PSG? Oles the man- he'll make sure we respond with victory.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

It can be asked why would he put us in a formation we’ve not played in years, away to PSG. It was a shocker to start and credit to him he changed it. And it can also be asked why he chose that same formation away to the team we are battling for 4th. Is it part of a plan or is it showing some naivety?

Is it unfair to ask these questions, Ban?

The problem against PSG was Bailly playing as a RB. That's what he changed.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

We played good enough to have won the game. Can't really complain with Ole. Maybe would have done the Martial sub earlier although he didn't really do well. Pogba on the wing early on was maybe not the best idea either. They did cause most problems down our right hand side though.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

The problem against PSG was Bailly playing as a RB. That's what he changed.

And Pereira tucked in. And Rashford came out a little wider left.

 

[Ban]

It can be asked why would he put us in a formation we’ve not played in years, away to PSG. It was a shocker to start and credit to him he changed it. And it can also be asked why he chose that same formation away to the team we are battling for 4th. Is it part of a plan or is it showing some naivety?

Is it unfair to ask these questions, Ban?

No, ForestRGoinUp, it isn't unfair.
Only thing he changed vs PSG was Dalot for Bailly. Also formations are not strict, they can be changer throughout the game. Ole himself said he changes little tweaks during the game and one formation can easily be another in a glimpse. And I'm sure he isn't throwing formations out of the hat and there's an idea behind it.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Even in the most random of systems patterns emerge. There are question marks above OGS not because of this game, but because of the patterns within the previous games under him and because of what we know about the demands of managing this club.

I think his man management and also tactical abilitity to read games and change things is very good. He has shown those skills already. How to build and develop a squad over time remains to be seen. Can he teach these players things that improve them/us and also can he buy the right players needed for us to improve? The last part is very hard to tell and so would be a gamble right now.

 

[AgentSquirrel]

Even in the most random of systems patterns emerge. There are question marks above OGS not because of this game, but because of the patterns within the previous games under him and because of what we know about the demands of managing this club.

What patterns?

 

[Handré1990]

Loved how he set up. Had most of the possession against a top 4 team, created the most chances and limited them to very little. Our players didn't take our chances today, and it cost us in the end. The unlucky goal, bogus penalty and a few of our players having weirdly disappointing performances lost us the game. Not tactics. Sure, I would have settled for a boring 0-0 draw this game but I'm sure most of our fans would be a bit disappointed if we didn't try to give Arsenal a run for their money. The way that we lost this game I have no problem with

Agreed. We did enough to score at least a couple. I feel disappointed because we deserved the win, not because we set out not to score and not concede. It’s actually a refreshing change of pace.

 

[Ramshock]

have a look at twitter at the utter wank stains that have turned on him already

 

[soaphroniscuss]

What patterns?

In general: Quantum Interference Patterns, Random Variables, Superposition Waveform, Prime Number Distribution.

In football: The higher level phenomenon that allow us to discuss aspects of the game. Example: player/team 1 is better then player/team 2.

 

[AgentSquirrel]

In general: Quantum Interference Patterns, Random Variables, Superposition Waveform, Prime Number Distribution.

In football: The higher level phenomenon that allow us to discuss aspects of the game. Example: player/team 1 is better then player/team 2.

Yeah you haven't explained what patterns you're talking about though.

 

[Hugh Jass]

There we go, we’ve lost a game and people are out in force claiming there are “question marks” over OGS

I think everyone on this forum needs to read “Fooled by Randomness”

There is a large element of randomness in football results. People seem to think its this meticulously tactical and logical game of chess where a manager shuffles XI players around a board but it couldn’t be further from the truth

If Lukaku scores that sitter at 0-0 we win this comfortably. If De Gea stands up and falls on a tame effort we win this comfortably

If Lukaku had scored either of his other two big chances we probably go on to win

If Moss doesn’t give an awful penalty we probably draw at least

All of this after-the-fact analysis is absolute nonsense. Football matches compromise human beings taking hundreds of thousands of individual tiny actions with one step either way or one thought reaching the brain a fraction of a second quicker than another completely changing the outcome. Kind of like the butterfly effect.

The “fools” go back over games and retrospectively assign huge meaning to acts that came about as a result of randomness.

This.

 

[purgethefallen]

Hitting the post twice is never a good sign. This was just one of those days to be honest. Onward and upward.

Some of our fans are really entitled, reactionary feckers though. We can't be wanting to chase out managers after every disappointing loss. We missed about 5 clear cut chances and there's nothing ole could've done about that.

I'd suggest people acquire some patience seeing as ole is staying for quite a while, and within those 10-20years we'll have such games. We move on.

Agreed. The number of chances we created today would have led to 3 or 4 goals on another day. It just wasn't meant to be.

As an aside, is the match day thread always so negative? For a team and manager who has been doing so well I thought it was well over the top.

 

[Trizy]

Tactically we were too cautious in midfield to start. But it's an away game against the top 6, you obviously won't go all guns blazing.

One thing that annoys me about him is his late subs. It can take up to 10-15 minutes to actually get up to speed, get your first touch/pass right, confidence and body ready. I see no point making a sub after the 75th minute myself.

As for the loss, it's not on Olé. Arsenal's both goals were lucky and we had a mare in front of goal mixed with a very good keeper performance.

 

[Andrew~]

There we go, we’ve lost a game and people are out in force claiming there are “question marks” over OGS

I think everyone on this forum needs to read “Fooled by Randomness”

There is a large element of randomness in football results. People seem to think its this meticulously tactical and logical game of chess where a manager shuffles XI players around a board but it couldn’t be further from the truth

If Lukaku scores that sitter at 0-0 we win this comfortably. If De Gea stands up and falls on a tame effort we win this comfortably

If Lukaku had scored either of his other two big chances we probably go on to win

If Moss doesn’t give an awful penalty we probably draw at least

All of this after-the-fact analysis is absolute nonsense. Football matches compromise human beings taking hundreds of thousands of individual tiny actions with one step either way or one thought reaching the brain a fraction of a second quicker than another completely changing the outcome. Kind of like the butterfly effect.

The “fools” go back over games and retrospectively assign huge meaning to acts that came about as a result of randomness.

If this argument were correct, it would essentially imply who the manager is has no effect on whether a team wins or not.

Were you saying the same on Wednesday or when we beat Arsenal in the FA Cup? Because if you're going to give Ole credit for those wins, we also need to consider the possibility his decisions might have an effect when we lose too.

He made a mistake today IMO, but that’s okay.

 

[bosnian_red]

If this argument were correct, it would essentially imply who the manager is has no effect on whether a team wins or not.

Were you saying the same on Wednesday or when we beat Arsenal in the FA Cup? Because if you're going to give Ole credit for those wins, we also need to consider the possibility his decisions might have an effect when we lose too.

He made a mistake today IMO, but that’s okay.

What was his mistake? De Gea misjudging a nothing shot from 30 yards out? Lukaku and Rashford missing multiple sitters? The ref giving a pen for nothing? What the reality is is that when you play against other top teams, you will lose on occasion. Playing away to other top teams, you are usually happy with a draw and you are never the favourite. When you go on long runs, you will occasionally drop points and you won't have that bit of luck that you need. That's what the reality is for today. He didn't make a mistake really, because the performance was still a good performance for the most part, and it was individual moments that coaching doesn't impact that made the difference today. On another day, Lukaku scores 3. Obviously if we had scored, who knows how the game would have gone from that point on. Arsenal took their chances and were resilient at the other end so got the win.

Basically... teams can win and lose without it being the coaches fault or some big mistake that you have to criticize the coach for. It's when it starts becoming a pattern is when it becomes an issue.

 

[BluesJr]

Does every game have to be micro analysed?

We would have won on another day. A large part of football is luck, believe it or not.

Move on.

 

[Summit]

Shit day at the office. Wasn't like a Jose defeat though where we didn't register a fecking shit on target. We were unlucky.

 

[Andrew~]

What was his mistake? De Gea misjudging a nothing shot from 30 yards out? Lukaku and Rashford missing multiple sitters? The ref giving a pen for nothing? What the reality is is that when you play against other top teams, you will lose on occasion. Playing away to other top teams, you are usually happy with a draw and you are never the favourite. When you go on long runs, you will occasionally drop points and you won't have that bit of luck that you need. That's what the reality is for today. He didn't make a mistake really, because the performance was still a good performance for the most part, and it was individual moments that coaching doesn't impact that made the difference today. On another day, Lukaku scores 3. Obviously if we had scored, who knows how the game would have gone from that point on. Arsenal took their chances and were resilient at the other end so got the win.

Basically... teams can win and lose without it being the coaches fault or some big mistake that you have to criticize the coach for. It's when it starts becoming a pattern is when it becomes an issue.

You can criticise the players but not the coach? I just think United are a better team than Arsenal right now, and despite De Gea making a wildly uncharacteristic mistake I thought we should have controlled the game better but we allowed them to get into the game more than we should have.

Main one for me was the change in setup. It made Pogba peripheral and allowed Xaka and Ramsey to get more joy than they had in the last game.

Criticising the manager doesn’t mean we want him out, he’s the man for the job - but this game wasn’t his best.

 

[peridigm]

Shit day at the office. Wasn't like a Jose defeat though where we didn't register a fecking shit on target. We were unlucky.

Dressing room must a been in tatters.

I feel Ole rushed Matic into the lineup that has been playing well without him. In hindsight, McTominay should have started.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

I don't want his children.
Want him sacked. Bite bite