Paul Scholes resigns as Oldham manager | Ole invites him to Carrington

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It amazes me that people on here would take pleasure in this. So what if he criticised Mourinho. He was right to do so, the criticisms were correct, and the man didn't belong here.

People turning against one of our greatest ever players (and legends) because he criticised a self-serving, egotistical, negative, bitter man who never cared about the club... utter stupidity.
What about when he jumps on Pogba? Is that Joses fault as well? It's not just the manager that he lambasted here and I'm a Scholes fan.
 

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What about when he jumps on Pogba? Is that Joses fault as well? It's not just the manager that he lambasted here and I'm a Scholes fan.
He's a damn pundit. He didn't call Pogba a cnut that should be shipped to Southampton. He said he played poorly which he did and even if he didn't and was wrong, the guy is a pundit! He had an opinion. Doesn't deserve this disrespect. He wasn't smearing shit on his face. He was doing his best job at his take on the matter.
 

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I know one of them is. Also had the "ship Pogba out immediately. Useless" opinion.
Oh yeah, there is clear connection. People who backed Jose when it was obvious he was killing the club, Shat on the club and the same people who are having a go at Scholes, Pogba, Martial.

Jose is amazing salesman though.
 

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Oh well, easy to speak from those cozy studios Scholesy.

A good old reality check. Neville, Henry, Scholes. The list grows on.
What he says/has said is a pundit isn't necessarily invalidated because he's failed as a manager. Plenty of people who clearly know the game well have. There are plenty of individuals with fantastic insight into football on this forum who would fail in management for obvious reasons. He'd have only looked hypocritical if he'd asserted that management in general was easy, or if he'd claimed to be a managerial genius in the making prior to taking a job.
 

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Although most of what he said, a lot of people agreed with.

Yeah but it’s easy to criticise especially when given the platform as a pundit, he ripped Jose to shreds then tried the job himself and lasted a few weeks picking up one win in the process.
 

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Nope I am saying it didnt help their cause, can you read?
Why didn’t it help their cause? Mourinho and LVG dug their own graves with the diabolically shit football they had the team playing.

Scholes pointing out hard facts had feck all to do with Mourinho being an unlikeable, selfish and egotistical prick that was too stubborn to change.
 

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I know you wouldn't want me to quote some of the stuff you said about Pogba and defended Mourinho. Of course I understand why you are so mad at Scholes. Listen I don't care about what you said or didn't say. We all have an opinion and if you loved Mourinho and hated Pogba then good for you but to take so much joy in sacking of Scholes, I have to wonder why that is the case.

Yeah but it’s easy to criticise especially when given the platform as a pundit, he ripped Jose to shreds then tried the job himself and lasted a few weeks picking up one win in the process.
That's his job as a pundit. He said it how he saw it. Did he ever say "I could do better" like Paul Ince? He criticized the bad. Also, don't forget Ole failed at Cardiff. He's still good enough for us.
 

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Just found out about Scholes departing Oldham.
Shame it didn’t work out for him, sounds like some if not all the things he was promised haven’t or won’t materialise giving him no option but to walk away from the club he grew up supporting.
I feel sorry for him, is that the right phrase, choice of words? Not sure, but he was one of our best players ever, always always tried, never took the piss and scored some smashing goals. Cared for our club long after he left, wore his heart on his sleeve and I wish him success in the future, what ever that might be.
 

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I know you wouldn't want me to quote some of the stuff you said about Pogba and defended Mourinho. Of course I understand why you are so mad at Scholes. Listen I don't care about what you said or didn't say. We all have an opinion and if you loved Mourinho and hated Pogba then good for you but to take so much joy in sacking of Scholes, I have to wonder why that is the case.
Oops, I thought I was agreeing with our ex legend Paul Scholes on this at this time ? Shouldn't that give me the redemption ? :D:lol:

Honestly don't care a little bit in this thread about what I have said, Mourinho and Pogba. All I'm showing is why anyone who watched Scholes think he's a terrible pundit, because all his opinions are to extreme thus they end up conflicting and contradicting each other.

As I said he talks as a fan who got an award to appear in the media. The fans are always used to take it to the extreme and I'm not an exception. As a pundit I don't expect to hear you going to the extreme then contradicting yourself later on. He should be more organized than any of us.
 

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It can't be easy to go into a dressing room / onto a training pitch of sub-par footballers and try to instill the same kind of winning mentality and work ethic you had as a player when you were one of the best midfielders of your generation. It's was a total mismatch in terms of ambition, ability and approach to the game.

Good on him for taking a chance but really a man with his knowledge and experience of football should be starting his managerial career a lot higher than Oldham, no disrespect to Oldham. Paul Scholes could be a great manager at the right club, look at how much some people on here wrote off Ole because of his time at Cardiff.
 

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Nah my gripe with Scholes having a go at Pogba for his play numerous times when clearly Pogba's play was hindered by Jose's tactics. Ole coming in and letting Pogba play his natural game has proven those people wrong. Which they never really questioned if it was maybe Jose, it was always them having a go at Pogba.
This is true, but a massive amount of this forum were taken in by Jose and believed Pogba was who we needed out.
 

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First we have to separate Paul Scholes the United player to Paul Scholes the pundit, and later on Paul Scholes the manager.

As a player he was phenomenal. On and of the field.

His career as a pundit was mediocre. Lack of personality, too critical, especially against United, and with that history on his resume he’s open for criticism both as a pundit and a manager.

To resign after seven games isn’t bad, it’s a total failure. No other way around. If you as a pundit takes heavy shots at two world class managers, both with a top class CV you better deliver a better outcome then quitting after seven games. I wish him all the best in the future but let’s face the reality, a great player isn’t the same as a person with analytic knowledge and understandings how to manage a team or a organization.
 

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It can't be easy to go into a dressing room / onto a training pitch of sub-par footballers and try to instill the same kind of winning mentality and work ethic you had as a player when you were one of the best midfielders of your generation. It's was a total mismatch in terms of ambition, ability and approach to the game.

Good on him for taking a chance but really a man with his knowledge and experience of football should be starting his managerial career a lot higher than Oldham, no disrespect to Oldham. Paul Scholes could be a great manager at the right club, look at how much some people on here wrote off Ole because of his time at Cardiff.
Perhaps he thought his reputation and links with the club could give them a lift. But it sounds like the chairman treated it as more of a ceremonial appointment.
 

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Oops, I thought I was agreeing with our ex legend Paul Scholes on this at this time ? Shouldn't that give me the redemption ? :D:lol:

Honestly don't care a little bit in this thread about what I have said, Mourinho and Pogba. All I'm showing is why anyone who watched Scholes think he's a terrible pundit, because all his opinions are to extreme thus they end up conflicting and contradicting each other.

As I said he talks as a fan who got an award to appear in the media. The fans are always used to take it to the extreme and I'm not an exception. As a pundit I don't expect to hear you going to the extreme then contradicting yourself later on. He should be more organized than any of us.
Except you're not. Read his comments. He was saying Paul is a world class player but is only showing it in 3 games out of 4. He then said the WBA show was almost disrespectful. You described Pogba as a total fraud that we need to ship out ASAP and that fans are rating him over 6 decent games in the world cup.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion but don't try and make it something it wasn't.
 

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He's a damn pundit. He didn't call Pogba a cnut that should be shipped to Southampton. He said he played poorly which he did and even if he didn't and was wrong, the guy is a pundit! He had an opinion. Doesn't deserve this disrespect. He wasn't smearing shit on his face. He was doing his best job at his take on the matter.
And he's now a failed manager. You can't seperate Scholes the player and United legend with pundit and manager to suit your argument then hide behind his United status it when he fails.
There was a stage when Paul was giving an interview a day talking about how shit we were, how Pogba was an overrated donkey etc. He made his money off that so its fair that some fans have given some back to him.
Paul just didn't attack the manager, he routinely criticized our players even knowing full well what they were working under in Jose.
On one post you're slamming the fans who are rejoicing in this. Oh this forum member said to sell Pogba too so he's not a proper United fan.
Scholes went as far in against Paul as anybody on this forum. Is he a non United fan as well?
I hate pundits in England with a passion, they're all soundbites with little research. The more that gets exposed to proper management so we can raise the standard the better.
Playing football and understanding overall management are two completely different things judging by how many ex payers fail at the job. Great players doesn't necessarily make great managers and it's turning out their punditry skills have the same hit and miss rate too

Again,I'm a Scholes fan but these players make a choice when they take money to criticize our club. You don't see Sir Alex or any non pundit legend out here criticizing Lukaku etc since they know how much weight their voice carries. Become a pundit and you almost have to find something and that's even knowing United are at their lowest ebb for a long time. They knew how bad we were when they took on the job and they knew what they would have to do to earn the pay check.
 

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He made some valid criticisms and was ultimately proved right, Jesus, it's nothing compared to the shit that gets spouted in the match day threads by so called supporters
 

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It can't be easy to go into a dressing room / onto a training pitch of sub-par footballers and try to instill the same kind of winning mentality and work ethic you had as a player when you were one of the best midfielders of your generation. It's was a total mismatch in terms of ambition, ability and approach to the game.

Good on him for taking a chance but really a man with his knowledge and experience of football should be starting his managerial career a lot higher than Oldham, no disrespect to Oldham.
Paul Scholes could be a great manager at the right club, look at how much some people on here wrote off Ole because of his time at Cardiff.
I mean...surely if Scholes is going to struggle at a club where the players aren't on the same level as him ability wise then he's, like, going to struggle at nearly literally every club? The mismatch wouldn't be quite as profound if he were at, say, Norwich, or West Brom, but it would still be there. Arguably a good manager is inherently one who can adapt and cope with players of varying ability levels.

Ole struggled at Cardiff but had done well at Molde, a club whose players wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as he was.
 

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Except you're not. Read his comments. He was saying Paul is a world class player but is only showing it in 3 games out of 4. He then said the WBA show was almost disrespectful. You described Pogba as a total fraud that we need to ship out ASAP and that fans are rating him over 6 decent games in the world cup.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion but don't try and make it something it wasn't.
He said he was disrespectful to his manager and teammates, that he plays 1 in every 3 or 4 games, doesn't care what his manager says, does stupid and crazy things on the pitch and he could leave as he wants if he's not happy.

Looks a very thorough and organized criticism indeed. :D :lol:
 

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Except you're not. Read his comments. He was saying Paul is a world class player but is only showing it in 3 games out of 4. He then said the WBA show was almost disrespectful. You described Pogba as a total fraud that we need to ship out ASAP and that fans are rating him over 6 decent games in the world cup.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion but don't try and make it something it wasn't.
:lol: Anyone who said Pogba is a fraud and rated based on 6 games should just give up watching football.
 

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sad for him, no joy whatsoever to gain out of it. I didnt have high hopes, but giving up after 7 games at the club he loves must be hard.
 

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Again,I'm a Scholes fan but these players make a choice when they take money to criticize our club. You don't see Sir Alex or any non pundit legend out here criticizing Lukaku etc since they know how much weight their voice carries. Become a pundit and you almost have to find something and that's even knowing United are at their lowest ebb for a long time. They knew how bad we were when they took on the job and they knew what they would have to do to earn the pay check.
You think he's criticizing our club for the money? I'd like to see some facts to back that up... heres a list of some of his supposedly harshest comments.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-look-at-some-of-paul-scholes-grumpiest-quotes/

I think they are mostly spot on tbh. One of the few who had the balls to call us out on our terrible style, despite the occasional on-field success.
 

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He said he was disrespectful to his manager and teammates, that he plays 1 in every 3 or 4 games, doesn't care what his manager says, does stupid and crazy things on the pitch and he could leave as he wants if he's not happy.

Looks a very thorough and organized criticism indeed. :D :lol:
He was right. Paul didn't care about Mourinho. He played like crap. Mourinho was a cnut. He got sacked. Now all is good. Personally that's top class punditry. Can you tell me what part Scholes got wrong then? :)
 

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Yeah or at the very least have some shame and remain humble. But no, still gonna go on about it...
And somehow mix that fecked up opinion with what Scholes said. Not surprised though.
 

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You think he's criticizing our club for the money? I'd like to see some facts to back that up... heres a list of some of his supposedly harshest comments.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-look-at-some-of-paul-scholes-grumpiest-quotes/

I think they are mostly spot on tbh. One of the few who had the balls to call us out on our terrible style, despite the occasional on-field success.
He's not giving interviews or sitting in the BT studios for free now.
Liverpool were in a downward spiral, the media were flooded with ex scouse players. Now we're getting the United players and their turn.
So when City get proper club legends that qualify in a few years it will be their turn on the pundit merry go round.
It's not a coincidence.
 

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He was right. Paul didn't care about Mourinho. He played like crap. Mourinho was a cnut. He got sacked. Now all is good. Personally that's top class punditry. Can you tell me what part Scholes got wrong then? :)
You know very, very well he didn't mean it the way you're saying when he said. :D

Honestly give up mate. I have brought enough quotes to prove Scholes was simply changing his opinions and to the extreme in both ways too. You'll never emerge out of this victorious. Forget about it.

If he was keeping his opinions withing a range and not going to the extreme then him changing his opinion wouldn't have matter the least. That is what good pundits do. They calculate everything they say so that no one will comment on them later on. Scholes just blasts whoever in his way to the extreme without thinking there's a chance that might change later on.

He's not a fan who's talking on a football forum. He's a fecking pundit in the media. Keep your opinions, criticism and praise withing a certain range so that you'll be able to change it later on without the social media commenting on your contradiction. You can't take punditry like fans talking on a forum that's a complete different thing.

There's no problem in changing your opinion as a pundit. The problem is going on as a pundit to slaughter someone in such way then making a 180 shift. It doesn't help your image.

No one hates Scholes or wants him to failure. He's one of our best ever player and I consider him the best ever English midfielder. He was one of my most favorite players ever with Giggs and Rooney.

The point is I separate between Scholes the player and Scholes the pundit. As a pundit he has been absolutely terrible. That doesn't have anything to do with agreeing or disagreeing with what he said. I hate LVG and he slaughtered him a lot, still a terrible pundit who doesn't organize his opinions before saying them in front of the camera.
 

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You know very, very well he didn't mean it the way you're saying when he said. :D

Honestly give up mate. I have brought enough quotes to prove Scholes was simply changing his opinions and to the extreme in both ways too. You'll never emerge out of this victorious. Forget about it.

If he was keeping his opinions withing a range and not going to the extreme then him changing his opinion wouldn't have matter the least. That is what good pundits do. They calculate everything they say so that no one will comment on them later on. Scholes just blasts whoever in his way to the extreme without thinking there's a chance that might change later on.

He's not a fan who's talking on a football forum. He's a fecking pundit in the media. Keep your opinions, criticism and praise withing a certain range so that you'll be able to change it later on without the social media commenting on your contradiction. You can't take punditry like fans talking on a forum that's a complete different thing.

There's no problem in changing your opinion as a pundit. The problem is going on as a pundit to slaughter someone in such way then making a 180 shift. It doesn't help your image.

No one hates Scholes or wants him to failure. He's one of our best ever player and I consider him the best ever English midfielder. He was one of my most favorite players ever with Giggs and Rooney.

The point is I separate between Scholes the player and Scholes the pundit. As a pundit he has been absolutely terrible. That doesn't have anything to do with agreeing or disagreeing with what he said. I hate LVG and he slaughtered him a lot, still a terrible pundit who doesn't organize his opinions before saying them in front of the camera.

Right, so dig up one post about Scholes and tell me where he was proven wrong. Also nice backtracking on the issue :lol: Is that all you were doing? Criticizing him as a pundit? Sure...
 

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Right, so dig up one post about Scholes and tell me where he was proven wrong. Also nice backtracking on the issue :lol: Is that all you were doing? Criticizing him as a pundit? Sure...
Backtracking ? I believe from my very first post I was talking about his punditry. Are you even reading the posts you were replaying too ? Please read before you replay on someone. Here's my first post on you.

We're not jumping in the media to tell the viewers about our opinions.

Scholes is a stupid pundit. His opinions are all contradicting and conflicting with each other. He criticizes the same thing and defends it later on, or throws the blame on someone then throw it on another one later on. Absolutely terrible pundit.

Back to LVG era. He spent the first half of the season criticizing his boring style in every media like this :

https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...s-louis-van-gaals-tactics-again-34167939.html

But eh look! When there were rumors about him getting the sack in December he came with this gem :

https://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/p...gaal-should-stay-even-if-chelsea-beat-man-utd

Jumping to Mourinho era, He criticized Pogba several times and threw the blame on him :

https://www.goal.com/en/news/schole...erforms-well-one-in/ik273zow40yf1avyujqrkro9y

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/sch...-utd-should-let-him/ho7ote7p8bit11to2oiorqmh9

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/sch...-keeps-doing-stupid/znuibj4ii3wq1064me87ko96j

Then made a 180 shift later to throw the blame on Mourinho.

Is he one of our best legends and one of our best ever players ? Definitely. One of my favorites too when he was here.

But he's really a stupid and terrible pundits that change his opinions from game to game and seem to talk from his mind on subject without even organizing it leading to mass contradiction in everything he says. How the hell he spend the entire season criticizing LVG and his style then when he was about to get sacked in December he makes 180 shift and decides to defend him to stay ? I don't need to say he switched to slaughtering him again for the rest of the season.


This failed managerial reign should teach him that punditry doesn't mean he'll become a good manager.
As for what he was wrong in. I don't know. Maybe saying he'll never enjoy playing under LVG and his style is boring then deciding to support him to stay, so that half a month later he says nothing has been changing for 6 months and LVG is enjoying his side playing boring football without creating anything. Ok, lad, why did you support him to stay then just a couple of weeks ago ? :lol:
 

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Neville, Henry and Scholes. These pundits don't realize talking shite in media doesn't mean you're going to be a great manager. Time for the others to shut up in punditry.
It would be pretty awful journalism if pundits don't criticize managers. I kind of dislike Neville as a pundit for his pure delusion during Moyes time, and his 'always support the manager even when the manager is clueless' mantra, but cannot blame Scholes for criticizing the last two managers. I (and many posters here) were doing it all the time.

And yes, obviously being a manager is much harder than a pundit. It doesn't mean that if they fail as managers they should not criticize other managers. Different jobs and all that. As long as the critics are constructive it is all fine in my book. I don't think that he did anything wrong as a pundit (bar not giving to Moyes the same treatment he gave to the other two).
 

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What the feck is wrong with some of you?

Laughing at a club legend's failure because he criticised a manager who belittled the club and its players to make himself look good.

Scholes might have been a terrible pundit in hindsight, but he had United's best intentions at heart and didn't do it to propel his punditry career.

Go join a fecking Jose forum you fecktards. You wouldn't even be supporting this club if Scholes and Neville hadn't helped us win those titles under SAF.
 

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What the feck is wrong with some of you?

Laughing at a club legend's failure because he criticised a manager who belittled the club and its players to make himself look good.

Go join a fecking Jose forum you fecktards. You wouldn't even be supporting this club if Scholes and Neville hadn't helped us win those titles under SAF
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Nailed it but they're too thick to even understand that.
 

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You know very, very well he didn't mean it the way you're saying when he said. :D

Honestly give up mate. I have brought enough quotes to prove Scholes was simply changing his opinions and to the extreme in both ways too. You'll never emerge out of this victorious. Forget about it.

If he was keeping his opinions withing a range and not going to the extreme then him changing his opinion wouldn't have matter the least. That is what good pundits do. They calculate everything they say so that no one will comment on them later on. Scholes just blasts whoever in his way to the extreme without thinking there's a chance that might change later on.

He's not a fan who's talking on a football forum. He's a fecking pundit in the media. Keep your opinions, criticism and praise withing a certain range so that you'll be able to change it later on without the social media commenting on your contradiction. You can't take punditry like fans talking on a forum that's a complete different thing.

There's no problem in changing your opinion as a pundit. The problem is going on as a pundit to slaughter someone in such way then making a 180 shift. It doesn't help your image.

No one hates Scholes or wants him to failure. He's one of our best ever player and I consider him the best ever English midfielder. He was one of my most favorite players ever with Giggs and Rooney.

The point is I separate between Scholes the player and Scholes the pundit. As a pundit he has been absolutely terrible. That doesn't have anything to do with agreeing or disagreeing with what he said. I hate LVG and he slaughtered him a lot, still a terrible pundit who doesn't organize his opinions before saying them in front of the camera.
What’s the fecking point?

That’s just a terrible post! Sad too