Pretty good bump. The OP was a car crash at the time and it's only gotten worse since.
We will never win the league with Paul Pogba in the team
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Infinite stupidity with some fans.... same with those that booed Pogba in Mourinho final days.
The absolute stupidest thing about booing Pogba is the fact that he's always been brilliant with the fans.
He'd never scored more than 10 goals in a season before in all competitions anywhere. That is a luxury United can't afford given we don't have a superstar banging in 30-40 a season.
And whilst I agree he didn't play much at no.10 under Mourinho he had several games there and did absolutely feck all in all of them. I think part of that must have been down to Mourinho, part down to Pogba being demoralised, and part down to him having improved as a player through his time here.
But I'm delighted at his recent form, he looks like he could be a 15-20 in all comps kind of player which would be fantastic given what he contributes with his passing, ball carrying and ball winning in the position. Like I say, I still think he could be best in the world at CM if he wants it enough, but maybe that isn't to be.
This is possibly true we may never win the league with him but it will never be because of him. He is literally the last player in this team that needs replacing and by some distance too. To win the league we need more players with even half the ability of Paul.
It's very straightforward. It wasn't working for Pogba here until Ole took over.
11,000 comments and posting stuff like this...and here I am as a silenced Newbie wanting to raise legitimate threads about Herrera as captain.
....but, there's always Madrid/Barca/Bayern/PSG...i.e every other top club that would likely have him.
can't argue against that
....but, there's always Madrid/Barca/Bayern/PSG...i.e every other top club that would likely have him.
The Lukaku’s thread can still be in the category of making sense since the guy is a striker with a lot of limit. But Pogba is class, a complete midfielder with world class talent and has potential to be one of the best player in his position, completely opposite with Lukaku, not sure how you can’t see the difference.
Never win the league with the player should be based on what the player’s ability not because he was subbed off one game or assumption that the player doesn’t have determination or desire.
Worst thread ever?
Least some of us can walk away with dignity from this thread#pogboom
So yeah, see you all next time Pogba turns up for a few games in a row11,000 comments and posting stuff like this...and here I am as a silenced Newbie wanting to raise legitimate threads about Herrera as captain.
can't argue against that
....but, there's always Madrid/Barca/Bayern/PSG...i.e every other top club that would likely have him.
*Also, to just to be clear (again), the "will never win the league" thing and some of the opening post was a parody on someone starting a thread about how we can never win the league with Lukaku. I don't actually think a specific player in your squad can stop you winning the league (unless they are Steven Gerrard)...
Correct, except that I didn't downplay our performances at the time at all. You just made that up. What I actually said was that on form him and Rashford are our best players, and also this:
The problem isn't good Pogba, it's bad Pogba, because bad Pogba really is quite bad.
This is my favourite one, due to the irony:
From the person who waited until Pogba had played well in the last few games to post this.
We will never win the premier league if the gap in quality between Pogba and our next best player is as big as it currently is.
Pogba can get into top European sides. What other United player currently can? Martial and Rashford at a stretch.
Pogba can get into top European sides. What other United player currently can? Martial and Rashford at a stretch.
I still agree with the OP. Some of the responses and bumps of this thread are as laughable to me now as they thought the OP was at the time.
Anyway keep blowing smoke up these players backsides about how great they are and they'll just keep doing as they are. These same people will be left wondering why we haven't won titles in years (6 years already) with supposedly such great players in our team.
Anyway keep blowing smoke up these players backsides about how great they are and they'll just keep doing as they are. These same people will be left wondering why we haven't won titles in years (6 years already) with supposedly such great players in our team.
The fact that i can now point and laugh at you, as you were doing here, tells you everything about Pogba and his consistency as a player. It's again been weeks without a good game from him and our best result came when he was missing. Hell we looked a half decent unit without him in the team.
It is clearly not only about that though? Perceived quality. If it was, then McTominay compared wouldn't look better for even a second during a game. Pogba plays worse than McTominay sometimes and that is down to something. It is not quality but maybe lack of application, effort or consistency, some complacency or even an issue of mental strength combined with confidence. My read on it is that Pogba doesn't want to be here and aims for a move so those issues arrises because of that, but it very well may be that Pogba just struggles sometimes. If that is true then that is a problem as valid to recognise as his quality and potential. If he plays like he does for us, for another top club then they too will be annoyed by his weaknesses and lack of consistency.
He can play a part in trophy winning teams no doubt about that, but if he'll do that for us he either has to find that consistency to carry us a bit or he'll have to wait for better players than him to come in to save his own damn ass. He'll not lead another top team to a title with the performances he is used to putting in for us. It is very lazy to blame all his inefficiencies on his teammates. A rap he probably wrote: I'm Paul Pogba, the best, and when it doesn't work out it has to be on the rest. With a dance too.
I don't think the gap is that big at all. You are just giving the lad excuses. How many times have you watched him play live? His output is pathetically substandard 95% of the time; and that's why you think he needs other players, in an 'easier/slower' league, to stand out more than he deserves.
He really isn't that good - he can be - but mentally he is yearning for an easier ride than he will get in the premiership.
No they can't. Only Pogba and De Gea. Maybe Shawn.
Why does he look like Balotelli in that picture. That is kinda crazy. The exact same cheeky look of Balotelli. That of a 12 year old kid that got his feelings hurt in school then later projecting it on to the store clerk after stealing something, just generally being up to no good.
Imagine he leaves. A player as good as him wont touch this club with a 10 foot pole. The only way would be to massively overpay or buy some washed up star player.
Pogba is an incredible albeit flawed player. He is of the quality that can get us back to the top. But he needs to be surrounded by equally talented players.
Pogba is an incredible albeit flawed player. He is of the quality that can get us back to the top. But he needs to be surrounded by equally talented players.
Why not?
Because we will likely be in Europa league. We cant mount a title challenge. We have majority of our players at a 6th place standard. We have a CEO that keeps on fecking up. We haven't signed a successful big name since pogba and DDG. The jury is still out on our manager.
If I was Sancho I wouldn't come here. Same with the other young stars.
Thankfully we can overpay for players but that has got us nowhere.
Pogba himself joined us when we were in the Europa league, and in the wake of several big players not working out (Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger.) So why wouldn't someone like Sancho come?
Not sure I buy into that. I get where the negativity comes from but I'm not sure that it is a fair prediction. It's a bit thin.
Agreed.
Pogba's a little different though, he had a pre-existing relationship with the club and spent some important years of his youth here, coupled with the fact we'd just appointed Jose Mourinho with his reputation as one of the world's best managers still largely intact the project seemed enticing. Sancho doesn't have any connection or history with United and would have his pick of CL clubs all capable of paying every bit as much as we would, back when we were going for Pogba no other club would match the price we paid for him but in the post-Neymar to PSG era things have changed and clubs are throwing cash about like never before.
I think he's over hyped, for France he was... okay for United, well now I understand why he was show the exit door by Ferguson, he's not consistent and for me Rashford is the best United player and I'm sure City for example if they had a choice they would prefer Rashford.
Maybe football isn't for you then. Pogba is quite clearly better than Rashford.
Noodle is right as usual. He's definitely one of my favorite posters here, even if the truth he says hurts some times.
Paul Pogba`s one of the minority of players in the Premier League who can turn a game. He is in the mould of previous United players such as King Cantona who could present challenges at times but were amazingly gifted players with high football IQs. Managed the best way, such players have been trump cards for United.
Even given King Eric never looked disinterested on the pitch unlike Paul at times under Mourinho, Paul is young and still maturing. Clearly he is the kind of lad who needs the manager to show support and to respect him for his accomplishments at such a young age - eg being a World Cup Winner, playing a key role in that final, playing in top flight European football.
His experience alone makes him a gem. He`s cut out to be a Manchester United player, just needs a great player manager backing him plus being with players who can help bring out the best in him. He will stay if United want him for real and are willing to show.
Even given King Eric never looked disinterested on the pitch unlike Paul at times under Mourinho, Paul is young and still maturing. Clearly he is the kind of lad who needs the manager to show support and to respect him for his accomplishments at such a young age - eg being a World Cup Winner, playing a key role in that final, playing in top flight European football.
His experience alone makes him a gem. He`s cut out to be a Manchester United player, just needs a great player manager backing him plus being with players who can help bring out the best in him. He will stay if United want him for real and are willing to show.
Got to love this forum's idea Pogba's your biggest problem. Guy has had 3/4 threads on the main page all day. One of two players in your squad the best 4 teams in world football would bend over backwards to acquire.
This thread is crazy, Pogba is far from the bigger problem on this team.
Fergie didnt show him the door. He just wanted footy there and then. Rashford isnt 75 percent the footballer Pogba is.
Pogba is an absolute monster of a player. That's all there is to it. Get rid of trash like young if you want success.
Him being right means nothing, if we don't win the league or don't come close to it, it won't be because of Pogba.
A just turned 26 year old guy with 11 goals and 9 assists in 29 Pl appearances is definitely what's going to be a hindrance in us winning the league.
Rashford wouldn't. He wouldn't start for Arsenal, and he wouldn't start for Chelsea, and shouldn't be starting for us neither; so he would have no chance at the top sides.
fecking Iwobi and Mkhitaryan starts for Arsenal, Rashford will be first choice player for them.
They seem to prefer having Ozil playing behind Aubameyang and Lacazette; he wouldn't get in ahead of any of that trio.
He'd be a squad player for them but he wouldn't be first choice. Same at Chelsea; he wouldn't start ahead of Higuain, Willian nor Hazard.
One of the most written about events in the last decade of United history and still people like you still are wrong about what happened!
So pogba isn't consistent. Yet Rashford is? Incredible.
Ozil has played 1700 mins in all competitions. Iwobi has played 2400 mins and he is the third highest among attackers after Auba, Laca.
Yeah, Higuian who looked so useless that he is already dropped won't be our starter ahead of Rashford either. He is past it player.
Pogba is a very good player. Let's be honest when we are playing our best football he's usually at the centre of that. Equally when we aren't playing well he's usually underperforming.
I actually think the bigger issue is that if Pogba isn't playing well we don't have other players with the same quality or impact as Pogba on a good day.
We need investment and more importantly time.
It's true we've underspent at times and it's even more true when we have spent big (fee or contracts) we've got it wrong. I think we need investment for the long term.
Sadly I think we may well lose some of our better players this summer and therefore be forced to keep some which ideally maybe be standing aside.
I also think Ole will turn to youth. I can see the academy players who have had a few games here and there get more playing time. We won't win any major competitions but it might well be best for the club long term.
I actually think the bigger issue is that if Pogba isn't playing well we don't have other players with the same quality or impact as Pogba on a good day.
We need investment and more importantly time.
It's true we've underspent at times and it's even more true when we have spent big (fee or contracts) we've got it wrong. I think we need investment for the long term.
Sadly I think we may well lose some of our better players this summer and therefore be forced to keep some which ideally maybe be standing aside.
I also think Ole will turn to youth. I can see the academy players who have had a few games here and there get more playing time. We won't win any major competitions but it might well be best for the club long term.
Ozil is back in the team now, although I concede that Iwobi has played alot more than I thought he had; Rashford would get games ahead of Iwobi, he's not good enough to displace Aubameyang or Lacazette though.
I believe that Higuain is a better striker than Rashford as well, even if he is on the downturn, I think he'd still be more valuable to a team than Rashford, though you disagree with that.
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