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I think IF the Pogba to Madrid rumores are true then at that point buying Bruno Fernandes would be a no brainer ( not saying they can’t play together) but just like you said 2 DMs or high energy box to box midfielder behind Bruno Fernandes as your #10 then that would cause a real real problem for other teams and then with the pogba money getting Sancho as the RW and all of a sudden United have a much more balanced team. Giving up Pogba in prol to building a cohesive Team would not be a loss in my opinion.

Also I agree with all your points.
The problem we have at the moment is that teams know if they stop Pogba then they stop our midfield supply line. That's how i could see Fernandes fitting in with Pogba, by opening up space for Pogba by occupying they opposition whilst offering a threat himself. We would have to find a very good holding midfielder tough because, as you said, Fernandes need to be around the box with that shooting ability whilst Pogba is just a liability defensively.

I'm at the stage now though where I'm close to giving up on Pogba and the problems he creates. I don't know if he's worth building a team around anymore.

When you look at City with the 2 Silvas in midfield, you realise how crazy it is that we have to try to put 2 defensively minded midfielders in just to cover Pogba, whilst their amazing attacking pair do a lot of the hard work themselves. It makes a mockery of Pogba really.
 

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Took an exception to come here to say yes he is doing a great season, yes he is a good player but best Sporting player ever?

Well I watched Balakov on his peak, Figo and Paulo Sousa last season for us on a era the League was stronger before the Bosman ruling and for me these 3 were better.

Don’t mention Jardel after because he is the definition of a great goal scorer who barely played football outside the area.

So boys let’s calm down the hype, but yes he can play on stronger leagues, if it is United or other club I don’t know.

One thing I know is that Santos needs to start him for Portugal but with the ability he has to turn a entire team to look shit better not wait.

Finally don’t care about this just glad he finished the job with them today.

On another note that kid Felix is not ready to play at a higher level, Gestifute and Benfica should make less propaganda because kids with these age should focus on actually being football players and not financial numbers.

Enough said, oh and sorry if it’s not the proper thread but Benfica é Merda @SportingCP96 and @Peyroteo.

Can’t spend much time here but today it was a must of course being Sporting we just know we will start losing and self imploding again.

I fecking love it. :)
E quem não salta È lampião !

Also for sure not the best ever for sporting but in the last 15 years absolutely.
 

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The problem we have at the moment is that teams know if they stop Pogba then they stop our midfield supply line. That's how i could see Fernandes fitting in with Pogba, by opening up space for Pogba by occupying they opposition whilst offering a threat himself. We would have to find a very good holding midfielder tough because, as you said, Fernandes need to be around the box with that shooting ability whilst Pogba is just a liability defensively.

I'm at the stage now though where I'm close to giving up on Pogba and the problems he creates. I don't know if he's worth building a team around anymore.

When you look at City with the 2 Silvas in midfield, you realise how crazy it is that we have to try to put 2 defensively minded midfielders in just to cover Pogba, whilst their amazing attacking pair do a lot of the hard work themselves. It makes a mockery of Pogba really.
I agree that’s why I said it’s not a far fetched idea to get rid of Pogba. Now before people go crazy Pogba is world class 100% easily better thrn fernandes as well but if we are talking about building a team around would you rather have a TEAM composed of multiple good assets both offensively and defensively or a world class player with sub par quality around him. That’s up to the Board to decide.
 

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E quem não salta È lampião !

Also for sure not the best ever for sporting but in the last 15 years absolutely.
Yes it tells more about our last 15 years but... on the other day I watched on Twitter a lineup we had under Paulo Sérgio or other coach players like Zapater, Diogo Salomão and others so bad I didn't even remembered them. :lol:
 

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Its a shift in mentality not only talent. Do you think Fernandes has the determination to succeed? He isn't very young but he is coming into his peak. But if Pogba does leave then he cannot simply be replaced by one CM. We would need someone like Fernandes to replace his output and Saul to add some technical ability and also chip in with goals occasionally. I do believe once we have two CMs who are more effective in passing then the front trio will also score more. I am also not very sure on Fernandes passing ability in comparison to Pogba. That is why I believe we need someone who is more composed on the ball like Saul or Neves.
He does for sure not just the determination but also the overall quality and he is still young 24 is the perfect age to come to the prem. I mean look at Moutinho who went to wolves at 32 and has been sublime and is better then any midfielder at United bar Pogba.

In my opinion #10 Fernandes then you sign a proper box to box #8 and then a proper #6 who covers the back line.

I don’t know if it’s too late but I still think Carvalho would fit like a glove at United he has had a good season at Betis and he has the quality.
 

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Yes it tells more about our last 15 years but... on the other day I watched on Twitter a lineup we had under Paulo Sérgio or other coach players like Zapater, Diogo Salomão and others so bad I didn't even remembered them. :lol:
I think Fernandes does deserve the recognition though because he really is that good without him I think we would be around 7th.

Jesus Christ I remember that team ... Jaime Valdes was our best player... Salomão was a “talent” Carlos saleiro and Postiga leading the line ....evaldo at left back Andre Santos was the new “ miguel Veloso”.... Jesus Christ and then you look at the squads benfica and Porto had around that time and it shows how bad we have been run all these years.
 

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He does for sure not just the determination but also the overall quality and he is still young 24 is the perfect age to come to the prem. I mean look at Moutinho who went to wolves at 32 and has been sublime and is better then any midfielder at United bar Pogba.

In my opinion #10 Fernandes then you sign a proper box to box #8 and then a proper #6 who covers the back line.

I don’t know if it’s too late but I still think Carvalho would fit like a glove at United he has had a good season at Betis and he has the quality.
I like William but Betis is a totally different level than United and William unfortunately never was regular for this level, that ship has sailed.

Don't agree only Pogba as a midfielder is better than Moutinho, its easy to shine for Wolves than United... but I am surprised with his age he adapted so well to England. Damn man I must sleep, try to say something I agree, I look that guy who always comes here to temper your excitement.
 

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I think Fernandes does deserve the recognition though because he really is that good without him I think we would be around 7th.

Jesus Christ I remember that team ... Jaime Valdes was our best player... Salomão was a “talent” Carlos saleiro and Postiga leading the line ....evaldo at left back Andre Santos was the new “ miguel Veloso”.... Jesus Christ and then you look at the squads benfica and Porto had around that time and it shows how bad we have been run all these years.
Depressing shit really, it was so bad that I only followed youth football and futsal at the time. :)
 

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I like William but Betis is a totally different level than United and William unfortunately never was regular for this level, that ship has sailed.

Don't agree only Pogba as a midfielder is better than Moutinho, its easy to shine for Wolves than United... but I am surprised with his age he adapted so well to England. Damn man I must sleep, try to say something I agree, I look that guy who always comes here to temper your excitement.
Well who at United would you take over Moutinho instead of Pogba? Scotty? Herrera ? Fred? Matic? Moutinho has outclassed United midfield every time he played them this season and believe me there Is no one who hates Moutinho more then me but he deserves his credit been the best player at Wolves this season.

Also William is still young the truth is he has showed the quality before but some players perform better with certain circumstances.
 

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Depressing shit really, it was so bad that I only followed youth football and futsal at the time. :)
Yet somehow we managed 3rd place and quarters of Europa god knows how. With the mighty Paulo Sergio.
 

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Well who at United would you take over Moutinho instead of Pogba? Scotty? Herrera ? Fred? Matic? Moutinho has outclassed United midfield every time he played them this season and believe me there Is no one who hates Moutinho more then me but he deserves his credit been the best player at Wolves this season.

Also William is still young the truth is he has showed the quality before but some players perform better with certain circumstances.
William will make 27 this year... And I think Herrera is better than Moutinho, now if you ask me between 32 Herrera or 32 Moutinho who do you want? Moutinho. Wolves is a totally different context to play. What annoys me on those circunstances is that every player we discuss from Portugal when they go into Santos hands they turn into shit like magic. :mad:
 

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He would fit in really well at Wolves. No big club is going to build around him, and I think that's what he need. A team like Wolves could do that and with all the tugas there he would thrive.
 

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He would fit in really well at Wolves. No big club is going to build around him, and I think that's what he need. A team like Wolves could do that and with all the tugas there he would thrive.
The problems are 2. As someone who plays more like a 10 don't know if the current Wolves setup would suit him, they look more a counterattacking team to me. This and the money Sporting will demand, because if Varandas sells him by a normal price he wil have problems inside the club. Who knows.
 

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The problems are 2. As someone who plays more like a 10 don't know if the current Wolves setup would suit him, they look more a counterattacking team to me. This and the money Sporting will demand, because if Varandas sells him by a normal price he wil have problems inside the club. Who knows.
If Wolves want to be more than a one hit wonder, they'll improve the squad, and that means their game will transition from counter-attacking to more possession against the majority of teams in the league.

As for the money, I'm not sure Sporting are in a financial position to demand an exorbitant amount. And there were some rumors during the Sousa Cintra period that he was promised not to be hold back in a future transfer if he re-signed. No idea if it's true but it made the rounds back then.
 

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William will make 27 this year... And I think Herrera is better than Moutinho, now if you ask me between 32 Herrera or 32 Moutinho who do you want? Moutinho. Wolves is a totally different context to play. What annoys me on those circunstances is that every player we discuss from Portugal when they go into Santos hands they turn into shit like magic. :mad:
Like I said if we use games as an example he has been their best player all season. Also in the games they played he dominated the midfield every time.

Also you are not "wrong" per say about William I agree but at the same Time I know he has the quality.
 

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If Wolves want to be more than a one hit wonder, they'll improve the squad, and that means their game will transition from counter-attacking to more possession against the majority of teams in the league.

As for the money, I'm not sure Sporting are in a financial position to demand an exorbitant amount. And there were some rumors during the Sousa Cintra period that he was promised not to be hold back in a future transfer if he re-signed. No idea if it's true but it made the rounds back then.
Only telling it, because with the internal situation Sporting has I can see real trouble for Varandas if he starts selling at the first offer. Saying this as someone who isn't more interested on the internal wars at the club, just saying like it is.
 

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If Wolves want to be more than a one hit wonder, they'll improve the squad, and that means their game will transition from counter-attacking to more possession against the majority of teams in the league.

As for the money, I'm not sure Sporting are in a financial position to demand an exorbitant amount. And there were some rumors during the Sousa Cintra period that he was promised not to be hold back in a future transfer if he re-signed. No idea if it's true but it made the rounds back then.
If the Sporting board is smart which they are not they would sell Dost and other garbage in the team and do what Porto have done on many occasions and keep Bruno fro one more season with higher wages ( which he deserves) and then build the squad with better players.
 

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Like I said if we use games as an example he has been their best player all season. Also in the games they played he dominated the midfield every time.

Also you are not "wrong" per say about William I agree but at the same Time I know he has the quality.
I like Williams is a shame his team doesn't go the second division in Spain, for me he lost his place in our national team.
 

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Only telling it, because with the internal situation Sporting has I can see real trouble for Varandas if he starts selling at the first offer. Saying this as someone who isn't more interested on the internal wars at the club, just saying like it is.
He'll be in trouble no matter what he does. Too many vultures circling the club and waiting. Sporting in the last couple of decades, though, not unique to Varandas.
 

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If the Sporting board is smart which they are not they would sell Dost and other garbage in the team and do what Porto have done on many occasions and keep Bruno fro one more season with higher wages ( which he deserves) and then build the squad with better players.
Sure, but if he wants to go and gets the offers, not much Sporting can do. I hope he stays, he's probably the only thing that makes Sporting interesting to watch for a neutral.
 

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I like Williams is a shame his team doesn't go the second division in Spain, for me he lost his place in our national team.
Like I said I mean the quality he showed in 13/14 was not an accident he is a great player but irregular at times. Sometimes you just need the right team and environment.
 

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Like I said if we use games as an example he has been their best player all season. Also in the games they played he dominated the midfield every time.

Also you are not "wrong" per say about William I agree but at the same Time I know he has the quality.
I talk as someone who liked William but knows his weaknesses, he doesn't have the right mentality to the demand of a Manchester United, that ship is not made for him.

I even have some reservations about Bruno, its not easy to play in England, let alone a Manchester United. Or at least the historic Manchester United who deserves more than post Fergie era.
 

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Sure, but if he wants to go and gets the offers, not much Sporting can do. I hope he stays, he's probably the only thing that makes Sporting interesting to watch for a neutral.
I mean he is under contract for 3 more years so Sporting are the ones in control. Granted you dont want an unhappy player but Bruno is a very good professional and if Sporting said hey we will make you the highest Paid player in the team and we would like you to stay one more season because we are looking to really challenge I dont think he would say no. Also even though in my opinion he already paid the debt back to the Sporting fans because of the summer I think staying one more season would solidify the knot with most fans

Once again this would need a competent board and Sporting don't have that.
 

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I talk as someone who liked William but knows his weaknesses, he doesn't have the right mentality to the demand of a Manchester United, that ship is not made for him.

I even have some reservations about Bruno, its not easy to play in England, let alone a Manchester United. Or at least the historic Manchester United who deserves more than post Fergie era.
Midfielders are hit or miss but.....if they need a winger in a few years there is no better club than Sporting to get wingers:devil:
 

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Midfielders are hit or miss but.....if they need a winger in a few years there is no better club than Sporting to get wingers:devil:
Not related with this topic but we need more investment on the Academy. It's a must really. We slept on the subject, even Porto is doing well at Youth League tournaments. But let's keep it about Bruno here.
 

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He'll be in trouble no matter what he does. Too many vultures circling the club and waiting. Sporting in the last couple of decades, though, not unique to Varandas.
Yep, it has the same shit problems regarding the bankrupted elites in Portugal, but its another issue.
 

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Not related with this topic but we need more investment on the Academy. It's a must really. We slept on the subject, even Porto is doing well at Youth League tournaments. But let's keep it about Bruno here.
I am very curious what they will do in terms of youth development and players not just in the long term but in the summer. I want to see if Keizer is true on giving academy players and loanees a fair chance.
 

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I am very curious what they will do in terms of youth development and players not just in the long term but in the summer. I want to see if Keizer is true on giving academy players and loanees a fair chance.
My problem is that I don't know if he has any type of influence on the signings. The only loaned player we have now that I like is Bragança to Farense, don't know if Domingos Duarte will return, but we better discuss that on the portuguese thread.
 

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My problem is that I don't know if he has any type of influence on the signings. The only loaned player we have now that I like is Bragança to Farense, don't know if Domingos Duarte will return, but we better discuss that on the portuguese thread.
Last note Ivanildo has also had a breakout season and Matheus Pereira deserves another shot though I am not sure about his mentality.
 

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Sadly I think it will happen but if I am Sporting I am selling all the surplus players and breaking the bank to keep him 1 more season and build around him. His intangibles his attitude as a leader an captain are fantastic for a guy so young he would fit like a glove in the EPL.
Leader and captain you say? Above his obvious technical qualities :drool:

Sounds like he'd fit us like a glove. (position and compatability with Pogba aside)
 

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We have to sign this beast.

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He always tracks back he has quite an engine on him can run 90 minutes nonstop.

Though if you sign him thats not what you want from him you want his attacking ability especially anywhere from 30 yards and closer.

He is the type of player to give 100% every game its in his nature. He is the captain for a reason he is a leader.
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He always tracks back he has quite an engine on him can run 90 minutes nonstop.

Though if you sign him thats not what you want from him you want his attacking ability especially anywhere from 30 yards and closer.

He is the type of player to give 100% every game its in his nature. He is the captain for a reason he is a leader.
If all this is true then he should be must buy player for us.
 

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Leader and captain you say? Above his obvious technical qualities :drool:

Sounds like he'd fit us like a glove. (position and compatability with Pogba aside)
Absolutely its my favorite thing about him. Just watch some games of him if you can. Or the cup final on May 25th:devil:
 

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We have to sign this beast.

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Anybody have any Idea how well this formation and set of players would work?