Martial's United career so far?

[DownRiver]

If we sell him, he will go to a club where he will be a no.9. With time, he will get into the groove in that position and score a lot of goals. He is a great finisher, better than our other strikers. Since he has come here, he plays as the central striker in 1% of his games. How is he able to build knowledge in making the runs, holding the ball etc?

What I am saying is that he will not get any better on the left, see if he can do something in the middle with a run of games.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

If we sell him, he will go to a club where he will be a no.9. With time, he will get into the groove in that position and score a lot of goals. He is a great finisher, better than our other strikers. Since he has come here, he plays as the central striker in 1% of his games. How is he able to build knowledge in making the runs, holding the ball etc?

What I am saying is that he will not get any better on the left, see if he can do something in the middle with a run of games.

Ole needs to play Rashford upfront with Lukaku or Greenwood.

Then play martial behind them as a false 9.

Even if people are adamant that he is a low working player - as a CAM/CF he can play deeper in the hole to play with the ball at his feet in central areas to create chances for others or more likely for himself by having the space and time to take on players centrally by himself.

Rashford - Lukaku
Martial

 

[SAFMUTD]

He is very inconsistent, capable of looking world class one week and absolute garbage the next. But we had to give him that $250,000 a week new contract huh , no better way to correct inconsistency than rewarding it...still we pay our players as if they are top class when theyre clearly not.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

If he just controlled the McTominay pass it's 1-1....

I'm a big fan but he has work to do to live up the hype.

 

[Bastian]

Massively overrated on this forum

If there is one song that I hear 10x more than any other (pre Ole managing us) it is Tony's. He's an OT favourite.

He's nowhere near where I hoped he would be, but the talent is there. We've got quite a few of those highly talented players who don't seem to have the motivation to become as good as they can be.

 

[Tibs]

Should play up top instead of Rashford for a few games, no doubt about that

 

[Patrick08]

If he just controlled the McTominay pass it's 1-1....

I'm a big fan but he has work to do to live up the hype.

If that was hazard it was 1-1.

 

[Carl]

Very talented young player who is inconsistent. Nothing unusual there. I do worry that he seems to be a bit of a sulker though and, unlike others, when things aren't going his way he tends to hide.

Wrong game to use him as a bench option last night. Doesn't give anywhere near the levels of defensive work or off the ball movent we needed.

 

[singhters]

He can be good but when he comes on he seems to have a look as if to say "not this crap again" looks like he's not really bothered very lazy looking i don't like his demeaner not enough passion or aggression.

 

[Ciddy]

He has pace and yet slows up our game more than Mata. He wants to stand up every defender to try and beat them. That doesn't work in a counter attacking system. Capable of moments of brilliance, but who isn't these days. I could go pick almost any player in the premier league and make a good Youtube video made up of their best parts. He's wildly inconsistent and in my opinion a very lazy player. Doesn't suit the old Manchester United at all. Issue is, I'm not sure what Manchester united want to be any more.

 

[Matt007a]

He's without question our most talented forward player, however I would expect him to be better than he is by now.

Sometimes you have to be patient with a young player, but I feel like we're coming to the end of that period now and he hasn't improved any aspect of his game since his first season. Maybe it's because he's still being played out of position and seems to struggle to get a long run of games but something is missing with him. I don't think he has the mentality to make full use of his obvious gifts. Doesn't seem to have the drive to make himself undroppable and he doesn't show enough desire on the pitch.

It would be a real shame but I think we're at a crossroads now where we have to start thinking about replacing him full time. It pains me to say that because I think there is a world class player in there somewhere, I just don't think we'll ever see it.

 

[Trizy]

I'll be more critical of him next season when we actually have a better squad and more importantly, a RW.

A dangerous RW will stretch the opposition defense. For the past 3+ years we just focus down the left so it's so easy to double up on Martial while leaving the RW free/full of space because United won't create sweet feck all from the right.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Can't remember his last good game in all honesty. Probably the most overrated player by our fan base. That being said, I'd start him in the return leg.

Martial and Rashford really need to improve their lack of consistency, as it is one of the major reasons our results yo-yo so much.

 

[Bojan11]

We should start playing him striker. He has the technical ability inside the box to find space for a shot.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Martial is not overrated due to his ability but due to the lack of quality of the test of the squad.

The same goes for players like Rashford, Shaw, Pogba, Herrera, Lindelof & the Importance of players like De gea.

None of these players would be important as they are at other clubs because they have multiple players spread around the same positions and squad.

Pogba is deemed super important to us whilst Juventus have midfielder upon midfielder who provides a level of stability.
Likewise we have Martial playing on the LW whilst Madrid had Ronaldo, Bale, Asenscio & Isco able to play that one position by themselves whilst a club like PSG have Neymar, Draxler, Di Maria scuffing to play for one position or be spread across the formation if need be.

Martial & Rashford being overrated is not their fault. It's literally because we have no one else that chucking them out seems like a ridiculous thing to do when we should be having these players in bulks per position.

 

[JPRouve]

He really only excels at one thing and that’s finishing. I’d back him to take a chance above anyone else in the squad. There’s very little else to his game. The odd dribble when he’s not doing the same thing over and over again. Sloppy passing most of the time and horrendous movement. I can’t remember the last time I watched him and thought he’s had a really good game.

That's what I think of him, very good finisher particularly inside the box, he links up well but he isn't a player that I want far from goal.

 

[SilentWitness]

Hazard has been a 1 in 3 player for Chelsea, Martial is matching that at the moment for United while being in an arguably worse side since he has been at United and being 5 years younger. This season is the first season that Hazard has really kicked on in terms of numbers matching his unquestionable ability and Martial really needs to do that in order to get the same recognition. Due to being in and out of the team because of injuries and being out of favour he hasn't built the same consistency that Hazard can by playing every single week. He just needs a full season where he plays consistently instead of being fannied about. Mourinho really fecked up his development and it's obvious that Ole likes and wants him and Rashford to be his star men along with Pogba. I'd stick him on a summer camp to work on stuff by himself and next season could be a big one for him.

 

[Amar__]

Hazard has been a 1 in 3 player for Chelsea, Martial is matching that at the moment for United while being in an arguably worse side since he has been at United and being 5 years younger. This season is the first season that Hazard has really kicked on in terms of numbers matching his unquestionable ability and Martial really needs to do that in order to get the same recognition. Due to being in and out of the team because of injuries and being out of favour he hasn't built the same consistency that Hazard can by playing every single week. He just needs a full season where he plays consistently instead of being fannied about. Mourinho really fecked up his development and it's obvious that Ole likes and wants him and Rashford to be his star men along with Pogba. I'd stick him on a summer camp to work on stuff by himself and next season could be a big one for him.

They share some similarities, but the big difference is that Hazard is a playmaker unlike Martial who apart from few flashy moments is nowhere to be seen throughout games. Hazard is far more creative and active player, Hazard's biggest weakness are goals and that's basically Martial's biggest strength considering he is really not that much involved during games in his team play.

 

[Raees]

He's turning into a crock. Until he doesn't sort his fitness out first and foremost ... he's going to be remembered for all the wrong reasons and I say this as a Martial fanboy.

 

[Bwuk]

I'd consider Martial through the middle and Rashford off the left for now.

Martial has better a better touch but isn't as explosive.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Have no idea the last time he stood up his FB and beat him. Personally I would be happy to see him go if someone offered £60-70m.

I personally just don't think he is good enough.

 

[Lennon7]

Martial would be exactly the player we need if he worked harder. He's class, really good on the ball and more often than not makes decent decisions (could be improved on)... but he needs to graft.

 

[charlenefan]

When he and Rashford were competing for the left side attacking slot he was electric as a sub, possibly his best form at United. But now he ‘ain’t no sub? How does that even work? He’s proven he can come off the bench to change games, unless we’re rewriting history?

Adding some gloss to an otherwise won game isn't changing the game, you're the one who's rewriting history

 

[Ace of Spades]

I was annoyed with him last night, felt he did not have the intensity that was needed from a sub.

 

[Red_toad]

Adding some gloss to an otherwise won game isn't changing the game, you're the one who's rewriting history

Sorry but coming on as a sub on numerous occasions and doing exactly the opposite of what you say he isn’t capable of is very much what occurred. Sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda,

 

[Casanova85]

Hardly memorable.

 

[VP89]

Now that he's on big money can we start putting him on the a harsher level of judgement like we did to Sanchez?

 

[charlenefan]

Sorry but coming on as a sub on numerous occasions and doing exactly the opposite of what you say he isn’t capable of is very much what occurred. Sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda,

He's never done the opposite of what I said, I've got no agenda and you just can't disprove what I said so you're completely ignoring it. Now jog on

 

[bondsname]

Martial needs to do more, I think he is too comfortable in his current situation. My worry is that he is not ambitious enough to become a starter and a world class player for us.

 

[Red_toad]

He's never done the opposite of what I said, I've got no agenda and you just can't disprove what I said so you're completely ignoring it. Now jog on

Ah so ok Martial has only ever scored off the bench once. Still not agreeing with you, as you're incorrect in your opinion.
I have already had a jog and been to the gym ta! So I'll carry on correcting you

 

[Infra-red]

Doesn't play with enough intensity. Is an ok squad player.

 

[dogwithabone]

Jury out on him. I can’t keep buying this ‘can be world class’ tag with him. He’s played plenty of football now and at what point can we expect to see fulfilment of his potential ? Other players his age and with his number of games behind them are delivering so much more than him and on a much more consistent basis.

 

[SATA]

Does Dortmund want him? I would do a swap + 50m for Sancho. Everyone tells me he is talented, yes he perhaps is but it’s not consistent enough. He is 23 going on 24 now yet his mentality is still the same. He’s never going to make it here with this kind of application. Raheem Sterling is twice the player of him on goals and assists

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

Definitely was one of my favourite United players of the last couple years, but is fading away. Really strange to see, and I don't have any explanation for it.

Most likely an attitude thing. Mopes a lot and probably doesn't work on his weaknesses, of which there are many. When he does add a dimension to his game, he's suddenly formidable again for a few games. For example, he almost never used to pass the ball at the edge of the circle but he showed glimpses of having picked that up in his game, and it was a resurgence.

Now once again he's relegated himself to standing on the touchline, as far away from the RB as possible, waiting for the ball to land at his feet and run towards goal.

 

[GazTheLegend]

He’s a great player but he seems to not be improving anymore.

It takes more than a great player to do anything in England or Europe these days, but I love Martial and want to believe he’s got a Salah-like season in him if we improve our right side.

At this moment in time people double up on Martial and Rashford and just leave Ashley Young on his own - it makes Martial and Rashford look worse than they are.

It was extremely noticeable against PSG, Barcelona and Arsenal - nobody even bothers to close down Young at this point.

 

[Havak]

He looks much more comfortable wide left in a front three. Well, that's the only place he looks comfortable IMO. I bet he hasn't scored a goal in any game where that wasn't his starting position. We aren't playing this formation and he is one of the biggest sufferers. If he saw himself as a central striker then he doesn't know himself... He's best when taking on the full backs and cutting inside. I do hope we play this kind of formation at give him a chance on that side. Why not? He definitely shows the quality in bursts and I don't see anyone else really challenging for the place right now. I'd like to see a front three of Martial, Rashford, and Lingard instead of persisting with the diamond and split strikers.

 

[OL29]

Oh now people want to see his faults.

You're such a strange poster.

 

[haram]

You're such a strange poster.

Yeah strange because I have been saying these things about Martial for over a year now.

 

[OL29]

Yeah strange because I have been saying these things about Martial for over a year now.

Strange because you're so ott about his faults yet won't hear a bad word said about the likes of Lingard and Rashford who have similar issues with consistency simply because their front he academy. It's very transparent and your inability to have a reasoned and rational debate just discredits any opinion you have on certain players.

 

[haram]

Strange because you're so ott about his faults yet won't hear a bad word said about the likes of Lingard and Rashford who have similar issues with consistency simply because their front he academy. It's very transparent and your inability to have a reasoned and rational debate just discredits any opinion you have on certain players.

I have always said Lingard is a squad player. I was actually one of the people criticising Rashford as the number 9 and RW so that’s also false. The difference is you can see Rashford developing his game anyway. Im not sitting here saying Lingard should play every week either. I have criticised academy players like TFM so you have to rethink that point as well.

Again people are looking to attack me to hide from Martial’s faults.