Is it time to burst “Rashy’s” bubble?
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Rashford takes shots from 40 yards. Very poor player, personally preferred Welbeck.
Welbeck used to trip on his own leg inside the box and fall down
This place is beyond stupid somtimes.
He's 21. He pays like a 21 year old. A very talented one...there's been zero evidence of him having any hint of attitude or workrate problem and he's mostly been very good since Ole took over, and won us what, 5-6 games in that time? He'll have around 15 goals by the end of the season and I'm not sure how many 21 year olds there are in the world who'd do that in our team.
I think he's one of the best assets we've got. Every year on here it's like people pick one of our players at random to just pick on every time they play poorly and ignore completely whenever they play well. Ronaldo at Rashford's age played terribly half the time and there were people on here demanding we sell him. It got boring a long time ago.
He's 21. He pays like a 21 year old. A very talented one...there's been zero evidence of him having any hint of attitude or workrate problem and he's mostly been very good since Ole took over, and won us what, 5-6 games in that time? He'll have around 15 goals by the end of the season and I'm not sure how many 21 year olds there are in the world who'd do that in our team.
I think he's one of the best assets we've got. Every year on here it's like people pick one of our players at random to just pick on every time they play poorly and ignore completely whenever they play well. Ronaldo at Rashford's age played terribly half the time and there were people on here demanding we sell him. It got boring a long time ago.
Whether he kicks on or not is down to him.
He needs to understand that he is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
He needs to understand that he is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
It's ridiculous. Because we have a lack of quality players - our fans target the only good players we have; even if they should be played a bit more rotated in the squad.
How is that Rashford's fault that United don't have a Harry Kane type striker in front of him.
I just don't get it.
We should be using Martial & Rashford as secondary cogs to our first team at their age and experience - not the one and only attacking players we have that get belittled by our fans for not being good enough.
Ridiculous.
I doubt that's the problem as you could apply this to pretty much every player who isn't Ronaldo or Messi.
He just plays like most players his age. Gets too excited at times and tries too hard to do things on his own when the game isn't going his way.
I don't mind the selfish streak as he's meant to be a striker. The decision making and composure neds to improve but the later has a lot this season already.
I think he's good enough to start, but to expect someone with next to no experience in these types of games, and his age, to just rock up and slap a team like Barcelona around, without any hint of nerves or inexperience.
I don't know what planet some people are on...and I don't get why there are people on here who seem to hate him or want to stick the knife in every time he doesn't win us a game. He's literally the least hateable footballer I think I can remember outside of Ole and Diego Forlan, and without his contributions this season we'd be out of the Cl already and about 12 points worse off in the league. It's really not bad at all for someone his age. Take Mbappe out of the equation and there are very few (if any) players in the world that age who could offer anything better
At the age Rashford is now; Ronaldo scored 17 league goals, retained his place in the leagues team of the year, was nominated for the Ballon d'Or, and won both the player, and young player, of the year awards.
There's no comparison. Ronaldo was the best player in a very good, league winning side; Rashford is a major issue in a very poor one.
Can you repeat this to Pogba, Martial as well.
Neres is only 22 years old. 18-19 years old might be a fluke, but 21-23 years old is no longer a kid. Harry Kane started terrorising defence consistently a few years back.
He’s still very young. How many top strikers out there are available in the market?
He will improve his decision making and mentally throughout the mistakes and experiences.
We have tried with Zlatan & Lukaku and not working, are we still going to ignore Rashford and keep spending money hoping that we can find the right one?
I don’t see any harm giving him a proper chance for one full season and see how it goes. I know we want to win the league but doesn’t mean we should waste the money to the wrong player.
He will improve his decision making and mentally throughout the mistakes and experiences.
We have tried with Zlatan & Lukaku and not working, are we still going to ignore Rashford and keep spending money hoping that we can find the right one?
I don’t see any harm giving him a proper chance for one full season and see how it goes. I know we want to win the league but doesn’t mean we should waste the money to the wrong player.
Wish we had a better striker that Rashford could learn from. We cannot go into next season with Rashford as our Main striker.
The problem with Rashford is that He is getting arrogant .He has started to believe in his own hype which will only do bad for him in the future . He doesn't really have a good sense of team work . He keeps trying all those fancy strikes and free kicks . Problem for us is that our main striker is not so great and the replacement in Rashford is immature who will never fulfil his talent if the management keep treating him with baby gloves .
Yes he is far too unpolished right now. It's hard to tell how to manage this. I'd imagine him being one of our main 5 forwards but not an automatic starter while being told to be conservative when needed, is the way to go.
I’m fully aware that there will be people who will disagree with this but let me give you the ‘truth’ about Marcus Rashford - he isn’t very good
The fact that he is young and English means that he gets so much leeway from the media and this cons our fans into believing he is some kind of world-class talent, helped by the fact that they want to believe that because he is a local lad
Let me give you two examples from yesterday;
Example 1 - In the first half, Rashford cuts inside and hits wild strike that goes a good 10ft high and wide. The commentator just says “full of youthful fizz and endeavour”....now any other player i.e. Pogba/Lukaku and the reaction would likely have been “wild strike” or “poor strike” etc...I could give a million examples like this. It’s just one example of where Rashford f**ks up time and time again but never gets called out for it and it’s never highlighted whilst the likes of Pogba and Lukaku seem to be scrutinised every second.
Example 2 - Sky Sports rating this morning. I open the app. and check out the ratings. In general, I feel they are pretty harsh, Shaw (6) and Fred (6) seem particularly mean. I get to Rashford, last player on the list....what am I expecting? Well Lukaku was given a (4), now he was by no means “good” but I would argue possibly slightly better than Rashford in that he did manage a few layoffs and held it up a few times. What does Rashford get? A (6)! The same score as Shaw and Fred!!! Now am I going crazy? The reason for his (6)? Apparently he “got no service” - hang on! You just gave Lukaku, our target man and ‘penalty box’ striker a (4), with no mention of service good or bad! Isn’t Rashford supposed to be one of the players providing “service”? It’s such double-standards from the media. The big lad from Belgium was crap but the poor young English lad couldn’t help but keep falling over the ball, shooting wildly and losing possession because he “got no service”. Why does this annoy me? Because it influences the sheep on here who believe the hype! Maybe one score won’t influence them but again, it’s one example of millions of pieces of brainwashing
Now someone I am sure will come along with some stats that show that Rashford has fewer minutes per goal than Ronaldo or something at the same age....well I couldn’t give a monkeys! I don’t need a weatherman to tell me it’s raining and my own two eyes tell me that Marcus Rashford lacks the basic technique required to be a top-level footballer. As I’ve said elsewhere, Rooney, Ronaldo and most young talents have ‘mental’ problems that they grow out of with age. Rashford has technical problems and I don’t see how, after 12yrs in the Utd system, these technical flaws are going to disappear with age
Sorry if all that seems harsh. I have no agenda. I wish the lad well, I’d love him to be world-class. The problem is the longer we keep kidding ourselves the longer it will take to get ourselves out of this mess we’re in!
The fact that he is young and English means that he gets so much leeway from the media and this cons our fans into believing he is some kind of world-class talent, helped by the fact that they want to believe that because he is a local lad
Let me give you two examples from yesterday;
Example 1 - In the first half, Rashford cuts inside and hits wild strike that goes a good 10ft high and wide. The commentator just says “full of youthful fizz and endeavour”....now any other player i.e. Pogba/Lukaku and the reaction would likely have been “wild strike” or “poor strike” etc...I could give a million examples like this. It’s just one example of where Rashford f**ks up time and time again but never gets called out for it and it’s never highlighted whilst the likes of Pogba and Lukaku seem to be scrutinised every second.
Example 2 - Sky Sports rating this morning. I open the app. and check out the ratings. In general, I feel they are pretty harsh, Shaw (6) and Fred (6) seem particularly mean. I get to Rashford, last player on the list....what am I expecting? Well Lukaku was given a (4), now he was by no means “good” but I would argue possibly slightly better than Rashford in that he did manage a few layoffs and held it up a few times. What does Rashford get? A (6)! The same score as Shaw and Fred!!! Now am I going crazy? The reason for his (6)? Apparently he “got no service” - hang on! You just gave Lukaku, our target man and ‘penalty box’ striker a (4), with no mention of service good or bad! Isn’t Rashford supposed to be one of the players providing “service”? It’s such double-standards from the media. The big lad from Belgium was crap but the poor young English lad couldn’t help but keep falling over the ball, shooting wildly and losing possession because he “got no service”. Why does this annoy me? Because it influences the sheep on here who believe the hype! Maybe one score won’t influence them but again, it’s one example of millions of pieces of brainwashing
Now someone I am sure will come along with some stats that show that Rashford has fewer minutes per goal than Ronaldo or something at the same age....well I couldn’t give a monkeys! I don’t need a weatherman to tell me it’s raining and my own two eyes tell me that Marcus Rashford lacks the basic technique required to be a top-level footballer. As I’ve said elsewhere, Rooney, Ronaldo and most young talents have ‘mental’ problems that they grow out of with age. Rashford has technical problems and I don’t see how, after 12yrs in the Utd system, these technical flaws are going to disappear with age
Sorry if all that seems harsh. I have no agenda. I wish the lad well, I’d love him to be world-class. The problem is the longer we keep kidding ourselves the longer it will take to get ourselves out of this mess we’re in!
Yeah, he'd definitely learn to lead the line out there...
It does look like Rashford needs to improve his overall game, in fact this applies to all of our strikers. The best way to improve all of them at once is to develop understanding between them. Long balls and hopeful crosses without posing much threat in the air will not take us far.
I was wondering the same. Pogba has a sweet shot and is usually pretty accurate, I don’t remember when was the last time Rashford scored from a free kick yet he takes them as if he’s Ronaldo.
I love Rashford, I like his game, I just hope the more dangerous FKs (shooting distance) are taken by someone else.
Why does he need to learn it? Let's face it, he's not the rounded forward we need up front, ala Cavani, Ruud, Suarez etc. He's more of a complementary attacker who's skills are more suited to the flanks (good crosses and pace).
He is a kid and still has things to learn. He needs to learn judgement for a start. If Woodward gives him that sort of contract at this stage he is mad. I actually think it will stall his development. He has to earn these contracts through achievements, not because he is English and not because he scored a penalty against PSG, a game he actually stunk in.
Welbeck? Seriously?
Do you want him to get better or not? Making mistakes is part of the learning process, especially for someone who's 21. Do you think the likes of Zlatan was born a leading CF? Why don't we just allow Rashford the time and support he needs to be a better player instead of desperately trying to write him off all the time?
Hard work and arrogance aren't mutually exclusive. See Cristiano Ronaldo as the most obvious example.
I don't really see Rashford as arrogant, mind you; the point is that arrogant != lazy.
Yeah that Welbeck, not good enough for Arsenal about to be released on a free Welbeck
He's none of those things, there's just a bunch of fully grown men making massive assumptions about a 21 year old because he took some free kicks yesterday that went horribly wrong. How dare he have the audacity to shoot!
Does anyone see the irony in this? One of the biggest criticisms of Jose was that he was too harsh on his players and completely blew their confidence, the same was said regarding his treatment of Rashford (when he talked about why he always played Lukaku).
Now we're saying that we're making our players overconfident by giving them confidence and need to bring them down? Jees he's in a bit of a rough patch but that shouldn't mean that we ditch him from the starting line-up. He's been fantastic since Ole has given him the confidence he needs, which is a necessity for all players; Rashers is definitely talented enough to become a top level striker.
Not true I'm afraid.
6 months or so after his 21st birthday Ronaldo was just about to kick on.
He had just finished the 2005/2006 season with 12 goals in 47 and Rashford's current tally is slightly better at 13 in less games (40).
The following year was when Ronaldo upped his game considerably with 23 goals in 53 which led on to the the 42 goal season.
The revisionism to justify bashing a young kid who's doing very well for his age is beyond belief and as for the Wellbeck comparisons some people need their heads examined.
I'm not saying Rashford will be as good as Ronaldo but all the signs are we should stick with him.
The second half of this season has been much better from him than the first half with 8 of his 10 league goals coming since Christmas and next year should be better again.
If anything, the willingness to step up and take the responsibility is a good thing. We only got this far because he had the balls - the 'arrogance' - to take that penalty in Paris.
Exactly my point yesterday. Where was this thread after he scored that penalty? If one of those free kicks would have gone in yesterday this thread wouldn't even exist. Quite sad really...
Rashford is a bang average player that gets so much support because he's an academy product and English.
He's a trier, is quick. That's the complete list of his good attributes. Technically, average. Hold up play, average. Shooting, average. Link up play, maybe ever so slightly above average.
He's a trier, is quick. That's the complete list of his good attributes. Technically, average. Hold up play, average. Shooting, average. Link up play, maybe ever so slightly above average.
I'm a bit in the middle. Think Rashford is exciting to watch and has bags of talent and its great to see that from an academy player. But, in terms of a superstar, no I dont see one and I dont really think its just an age thing. He isnt a natural finisher, in fact personally I would rather be seeing him working the left flank and Martial who I think is a natural finisher in the middle.
I think his attitude, mentality and work rate is excellent, he does look tired and as though he is carrying niggling injuries a lot recently though. Would love to see Greenwood break through on one flank next season, with Rashford on the other and Martial through the middle, or a signing like Sancho.
Only problem with Rashford is the hype and being compared to Ronaldos, Mbpappe and being a superstar, when for me he isnt....which brings the negative comments, he is a very good player though we should be pleased to have bought through
I dont see much wrong with our attack with those three or four and Lingard as another option. Porblem for me is more the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez up there and our awfully average at best defence.
There is talk about a 300k a week contract renewal and some of you are late on this. He's full of himself as a result and thinks he is better than he really is.
Wow. "Eat some humble pie", "Drop the ego" 
People need to look at his underlying stats.
Self confidence is not the same as having a bad ego. People are misjudging him big time here. Very humble guy behind the scenes, bleeds red. You need belief in yourself as a footballer. This thread is kneejerk nonsense. His underlying stats are good, and he's still a kid ffs. People have jumped straight to believe everything in the tabloids.
People need to look at his underlying stats.
Self confidence is not the same as having a bad ego. People are misjudging him big time here. Very humble guy behind the scenes, bleeds red. You need belief in yourself as a footballer. This thread is kneejerk nonsense. His underlying stats are good, and he's still a kid ffs. People have jumped straight to believe everything in the tabloids.
Something is wrong with United fans.
They want a 21 year old striker playing for Manchester United to be banging goals and FKs for fun.
They want the manager to make the team World Class in 4 months.
It doesn’t work like that in the real world. Go back to your FIFA. Thanks.
They want a 21 year old striker playing for Manchester United to be banging goals and FKs for fun.
They want the manager to make the team World Class in 4 months.
It doesn’t work like that in the real world. Go back to your FIFA. Thanks.
No, I want a striker in their prime and not be some development club. Under Fergie we used to always have 4 very good strikers.
Striker is not a position you want to play development unless you got someone world class at a young level like Rooney was for us.
And his free kicks are terrible. Not sure how anybody can defend those? No, people want him to hit the target with one.
Yeah, that's what folks on here are saying !!
Good post. Rashford does need a lot of coaching and his development is now the responsibility of Ole and his team, and Rashford himself of course.
His game can look awfully untidy at times, and lack maturity. But... In my opinion, that is a wider issue for United's forwards... Lukaku, Martial, Lindgard, Rashford... all suffer from having very erratic, inconsistent and ineffective game patterns.
I actually feel sorry for Pogba, because the quality simply isn't around him.
I watched Ajax vs Juve in part... None of our forwards would get into or improve those teams. None. It's a sad indictment, but we have to keep the faith and move on ..
Sums up a lot of people on this forum really.
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