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I was at the game yesterday and the fast majority of the people I sit with agreed he was the best player on the pitch.

He is a must buy for me as if we don’t someone else will and we will be kicking ourselves in a year or twos time.
 

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I was at the game yesterday and the fast majority of the people I sit with agreed he was the best player on the pitch.

He is a must buy for me as if we don’t someone else will and we will be kicking ourselves in a year or twos time.
What Rice does well - and imo better than any other young players in the P.L, is that he combines composure on the ball with an aggression when the opponent has the ball. And my opinion didn't him didn't exactly go down when he several times went over to Jones to check on him, after elbowing him in the head. At one stage, Antonio looked like he told him to focus on the game and not the oppnent.

I want Rice, Sancho and Wan-Bissake - but I want Rice the most.
 

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I was at the game yesterday and the fast majority of the people I sit with agreed he was the best player on the pitch.

He is a must buy for me as if we don’t someone else will and we will be kicking ourselves in a year or twos time.
I have to say he was very imposing in the midfield. Would be a good addition
What Rice does well - and imo better than any other young players in the P.L, is that he combines composure on the ball with an aggression when the opponent has the ball. And my opinion didn't him didn't exactly go down when he several times went over to Jones to check on him, after elbowing him in the head. At one stage, Antonio looked like he told him to focus on the game and not the oppnent.

I want Rice, Sancho and Wan-Bissake - but I want Rice the most.
Don't folks! Just don't! You're going to really piss off the 'experts' on here who said he's a poor man's this and that, he's limited, not technically good!

Seriously, I know loads of West Ham fans and they are not delusional in the slightest. They have have constantly reiterated that this kid is the real deal, they want to have the team built around his ability. Pelligrini has said he's available at the right price. If we don't even try, other clubs will be in sooner rather than later.
 

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We need a more creative midfielder, I don't see him being a benefit to us in games where we're going to have the majority of the ball.
 

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We need a more creative midfielder, I don't see him being a benefit to us in games where we're going to have the majority of the ball.
Having a baller DM would allow us to play two creative midfielders ahead of him.

Currently, our first choice midfield is probably Matic, Herrera and Pogba. If swapped Rice for Matic, we could field somebody a bit better than Herrera. He'd be our Makalele.
 

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First time really watching him, played well. Lots of players raise their game against United so it’s hard to judge just off that performance.
 

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Whilst I like Rice I'd hasten to add we should draw no conclusions following a game against us. We must be piss easy to defend against.
 

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Having a baller DM would allow us to play two creative midfielders ahead of him.

Currently, our first choice midfield is probably Matic, Herrera and Pogba. If swapped Rice for Matic, we could field somebody a bit better than Herrera. He'd be our Makalele.
The guy is 20. He's not ready to be a Matic much less a Makelele, he shouldn't be our answer to the DM problem. Would be a good signing but we need instant impact this summer and shouldn't focus on the likes of Sancho and Rice elevating us to title challenging level
 

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The guy is 20. He's not ready to be a Matic much less a Makelele, he shouldn't be our answer to the DM problem. Would be a good signing but we need instant impact this summer and shouldn't focus on the likes of Sancho and Rice elevating us to title challenging level
No - we need to think ahead. We can't afford to let the biggest talents go to other clubs because they aren't world-stars now. Having said that - I don't agree with you, I do think he is ready to be a Matic.
 

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Whether we should sign him or not I have no idea but I've at least decided that the comparisons with the awful Eric Dier were unfair.
 

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What Rice does well - and imo better than any other young players in the P.L, is that he combines composure on the ball with an aggression when the opponent has the ball. And my opinion didn't him didn't exactly go down when he several times went over to Jones to check on him, after elbowing him in the head. At one stage, Antonio looked like he told him to focus on the game and not the oppnent.

I want Rice, Sancho and Wan-Bissake - but I want Rice the most.
I agree that he is quite composed with the ball, whilst fairly aggressive winning the ball
 

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The guy is 20. He's not ready to be a Matic much less a Makelele, he shouldn't be our answer to the DM problem. Would be a good signing but we need instant impact this summer and shouldn't focus on the likes of Sancho and Rice elevating us to title challenging level
He's played well against City Chelsea and now United If you're good enough, you're good enough.

Arguably the best DM in the league the last few months.
 

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What Rice does well - and imo better than any other young players in the P.L, is that he combines composure on the ball with an aggression when the opponent has the ball. And my opinion didn't him didn't exactly go down when he several times went over to Jones to check on him, after elbowing him in the head. At one stage, Antonio looked like he told him to focus on the game and not the oppnent.

I want Rice, Sancho and Wan-Bissake - but I want Rice the most.
Would love those 3. Throw in another creative midfielder (Nodembele or Neves or whoever) and I think we're challenging.

Would cost a shit ton though.
 

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He's played well against City Chelsea and now United If you're good enough, you're good enough.

Arguably the best DM in the league the last few months.
So has MCTominay against Liverpool, Barca, PSG. If MCTominay was a regular for a small club like Declan is, I bet you would be salivating over him as well. I don't know why we love to rave over other talents who are playing for other clubs while we have a similar one at our doorstep. A prophet really has no honour in his hometown.
 

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So has MCTominay against Liverpool, Barca, PSG. If MCTominay was a regular for a small club like Declan is, I bet you would be salivating over him as well. I don't know why we love to rave over other talents who are playing for other clubs while we have a similar one at our doorstep. A prophet really has no honour in his hometown.
Probably because the club wants to play him in a more offensive role. When you've convinced Ole to use him in the same role as Rice, then what you're saying makes some sense. Right now it doesnt.

Rice's competition would be Fred, who has also shown signs of life recently but they are slightly different types of players with Fred being more offensive and Rice helping the defense more.
 

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So has MCTominay against Liverpool, Barca, PSG. If MCTominay was a regular for a small club like Declan is, I bet you would be salivating over him as well. I don't know why we love to rave over other talents who are playing for other clubs while we have a similar one at our doorstep. A prophet really has no honour in his hometown.
They're very different players.

Rice shields the back 4, whereas McTominay is more box-to-box.

The United player under threat from this potential purchase is Matic.
 

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Mctominay played the holding midfield role against Liverpool and Crystal palace and did well in both of them. Mctominay can play both roles quite well.

Besides, Declan has been deployed mostly alongside defensively solid Noble in a 2-man midfield so far for Westham. The last time he played as a lone holding midfielder for England, he wasn't that great.

I would rather continue with Mctominay than splash huge cash on Rice.
 

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Whilst I like Rice I'd hasten to add we should draw no conclusions following a game against us. We must be piss easy to defend against.
This.

No - we need to think ahead. We can't afford to let the biggest talents go to other clubs because they aren't world-stars now. Having said that - I don't agree with you, I do think he is ready to be a Matic.
Agreed.

We are starting from almost nothing with this squad. We should buy young and think long term because there is absolutely no way we will get the players needed to close the gap in City this summer.

Unless we have a billion quid to spend.
 

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The guy is 20. He's not ready to be a Matic much less a Makelele, he shouldn't be our answer to the DM problem. Would be a good signing but we need instant impact this summer and shouldn't focus on the likes of Sancho and Rice elevating us to title challenging level
Sancho would definitely make an instant impact.
 

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Sancho would definitely make an instant impact.
He probably would tbf. He's much better than anything we have on the right. Just a bit wary of this Sancho/Wan Bissaka/Rice talk as the perfect trio to add when they're all young and have never played at the biggest clubs. I mean our most established player after DDG and Matic (who everyone agrees is more or less finished and shite anyway) is.. Smalling? Who I'd say after 8 years the jury is still out on as a starter. We really lack experience in the squad, and I fear with an inexperienced manager that's the worst cocktail.
 

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He probably would tbf. He's much better than anything we have on the right. Just a bit wary of this Sancho/Wan Bissaka/Rice talk as the perfect trio to add when they're all young and have never played at the biggest clubs. I mean our most established player after DDG and Matic (who everyone agrees is more or less finished and shite anyway) is.. Smalling? Who I'd say after 8 years the jury is still out on as a starter. We really lack experience in the squad, and I fear with an inexperienced manager that's the worst cocktail.
They probably wont win us the League in 2020, but they might help us fight for the title the next 10 years. Add to that - Rashford, Shaw, Garner and Greenwood - we could have a big part of our future Manchester United.
 

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Would love those 3. Throw in another creative midfielder (Nodembele or Neves or whoever) and I think we're challenging.

Would cost a shit ton though.
Those three would be a fantastic place to start.

Realistically, thatst easy £250m already just for those three.

There is no way that West Ham will let Rice for less than £60-70m. It's 2019.
 

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Those three would be a fantastic place to start.

Realistically, thatst easy £250m already just for those three.

There is no way that West Ham will let Rice for less than £60-70m. It's 2019.
I agree with you on the price tag of potential signings. I've read some posts in the last few days that wildly underestimate how much it would cost to buy even one of Sancho, AWB or Rice.
 

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I agree with you on the price tag of potential signings. I've read some posts in the last few days that wildly underestimate how much it would cost to buy even one of Sancho, AWB or Rice.
Me too.

I think it's comical to think it 2019, a financially healthy PL club like West Ham would sell a 20 year old talented England midfielder for "£40m".

Even at £70m, I don't think they would WANT to. What are they really gonna do with that money?
 

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I was at the game yesterday and the fast majority of the people I sit with agreed he was the best player on the pitch.

He is a must buy for me as if we don’t someone else will and we will be kicking ourselves in a year or twos time.
Our midfield makes average players look good, not surprising that he bossed pogba and fred, but he is not the one who should be paired with pogba in the middle. He Is not a complete player we require on and off the ball. His passing range is very limited and certainly not the best of options for a huge price.

Mctominay can do the job rice can do, we don't have to pay such a fee for a kid who is not ready for United.
 

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Me too.

I think it's comical to think it 2019, a financially healthy PL club like West Ham would sell a 20 year old talented England midfielder for "£40m".

Even at £70m, I don't think they would WANT to. What are they really gonna do with that money?
You're looking at 100m minimum for Sancho too. Dortmund won't sell for less than they did with Dembele.
 

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United should definately buy him this summer. United needs desperately some strenghtening in the midfield, especially in the defensive part.
 

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Nearly everyone on the red cafe keeps saying how bad our midfield is so poor, so judging a player who has a good game against our midfield is meaningless. Having watched the game I can't see that he offers more than McT. We need more attacking options in midfield not more holding or box to box
 

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Nearly everyone on the red cafe keeps saying how bad our midfield is so poor, so judging a player who has a good game against our midfield is meaningless. Having watched the game I can't see that he offers more than McT. We need more attacking options in midfield not more holding or box to box
The whole game was a pile of shite from both teams, in terms of possession. He doesn’t offer enough for us to be spending over 50m on, which is 100% what they’d want for him.
 

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There must be something I'm missing with this kid, because I just don't see all the quality he's supposed to bring. He's very mobile and is decent on the ball for an English player, but that's just describing a young version of Eric Dier (a player who I like but don't exactly see being a world beater).
 

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I agree with this. I have watched him alot too. Made a thread about him a while back. I think he could work as a DM, but its not where he has the biggest potential. At least not for a top 6-club that wants to control the games with the ball. (But I do not agree that he is not quick.)

His passing is not great for a midfielder, but as a central defender, with a bit more time and space, he would be a brilliant passer.
I agree that he would be a good ball playing CB. Maybe you bring him in to move him to CB. I just don’t think he works in this era as a DM.
 

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I wouldn’t be averse to having him, seeing that McTominay is still relatively unproven to be at the level we aspire to be at. A few good performances in high profile games in a short space doesn’t make a superstar. For every Rashford there will be a Januzaj.

Plus with Herreras quadriceps injury meaning he’ll have to relocate to France to fix it and play again, it frees up space for the likes of Rice to coexist with someone like McTominay.
 
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