Martial's United career so far?

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I really hope we sell him.

He is so inconsistent and he only looks good when comparing him to the shite we have around him.
 

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Inconsistent. It's fair to say that fans have expected more from him. His work rate is a bit poor.
 

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We need someone of Hazard's quality unfortunately but instead, we have another inconsistent player.
 

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When does he ever for example make a run across defences from left to right? If he is such a striker why does he not exploit the spaces imbetween defenders?
 

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Our fans are toxic for asking for consistency and better form from a player playing for a club that's supposed to challenge for titles ?

Mourinho or not, he's gone several months ago and now Martial is playing under a different manager. There's no more excuses for him or any other player in the squad to not perform regularly and to the high standards expected from a Manchester United player.
You are creating statements that aren't there. Our team isn't good enough to win leagues, why do you expect Martial to win a league? Fact is as @Aloysius's Back 3 said, until we have a team / squad full of world class players its unfair to expect it, is that not fair? We've a team capable of top 4 and that's why we fight it out year in, year out now for top 4 for the most part.

Instead you want league titles won with Lingard? Darmian? Young? Valencia? Herrera? Come on, time to step into reality.

The thread is about his career, jesus why can't you understand that? You asked me a question and I answered it. Jose stopped his progression and he has to find fitness and form again under Ole but he hasn't as yet has he cause he's had 2 injuries since Ole arrived.

Ole has managed 23 games, Martial has been injured for 8 of them. So a third of them thus far. But he's supposed to be setting the world alight already?

Proving my point, no patience at all. Instant results or feck off constantly. Same folks that wanted rid of Lindelof after a handful of games at best. Same ones that have groaned all season about Fred and now he's performing.
 

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Hazard looked pretty average in his first season for Chelsea. Raheem Sterling has looked very inconsistent in his career up until the past 18 months. Zaha looked like a Championship player for a few seasons before finding his feet.

Jose Mourinho was the anti-Ferguson for Martials development. It's gonna take Martial time to recover from that. Imagine one minute you're a striker and being told to express yourself, the next minute a giant ego walks through the door demanding that you play out wide and spend most of the game tracking the opposition full back.

I think Martial next season will start to turn it on consistently.
 

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Hazard looked pretty average in his first season for Chelsea. Raheem Sterling has looked very inconsistent in his career up until the past 18 months. Zaha looked like a Championship player for a few seasons before finding his feet.

Jose Mourinho was the anti-Ferguson for Martials development. It's gonna take Martial time to recover from that. Imagine one minute you're a striker and being told to express yourself, the next minute a giant ego walks through the door demanding that you play out wide and spend most of the game tracking the opposition full back.

I think Martial next season will start to turn it on consistently.
He's a million miles from those you mention regardless of how you measure it. He's never been really in the same bracket bar an impressive first season.
 

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I know it's his way, but it's the lazy demeanour that riles me.

At best has a bit of Berbatov about him without the tools to back it up, or at worst he's like a well behaved Ballotelli, does something half decent every now and again and then vanishes.

I just want to shake him to wake him up, and it's hard to think of any wingers who have really made it at the top who carry themselves like him, perhaps he needs a position switch now.
 

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He's a million miles from those you mention regardless of how you measure it. He's never been really in the same bracket bar an impressive first season.
I believe statistically, in a per 90m basis which is pretty reliable and not some senseless stat, he has been right up there with Hazard, at least in his first three years. I'm too lazy to look it up, but there is definitely a measure where he has been among names I guess you wouldn't expect in efficiency and impact. Although with his recent poor form, he's probably drifting away.
 

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You are creating statements that aren't there. Our team isn't good enough to win leagues, why do you expect Martial to win a league? Fact is as @Aloysius's Back 3 said, until we have a team / squad full of world class players its unfair to expect it, is that not fair? We've a team capable of top 4 and that's why we fight it out year in, year out now for top 4 for the most part.

Instead you want league titles won with Lingard? Darmian? Young? Valencia? Herrera? Come on, time to step into reality.

The thread is about his career, jesus why can't you understand that? You asked me a question and I answered it. Jose stopped his progression and he has to find fitness and form again under Ole but he hasn't as yet has he cause he's had 2 injuries since Ole arrived.

Ole has managed 23 games, Martial has been injured for 8 of them. So a third of them thus far. But he's supposed to be setting the world alight already?

Proving my point, no patience at all. Instant results or feck off constantly. Same folks that wanted rid of Lindelof after a handful of games at best. Same ones that have groaned all season about Fred and now he's performing.
Who brought winning the league now ? I don't get how are you throwing random points like that. All we're asking for him is to perform regularly and consistently rather than having a one or 2 brilliant moment in a game while being invisible for the rest for the rest. The question about expecting Martial to win the league as if he's himself good enough to win it and the problem is changing his teammates alone. Maybe he's also part of the reason we're not going to win the league as much as his teammates thanks to his inconsistency and deficiencies.

The thread was made because he's still as underwhelming under Ole as he was under Mourinho. Under Mourinho people were putting the full blame on him, now it's a new manager, several months later and Martial is still with exact same problems as previously, so maybe the problem is his own at this point. He can't keep hiding behind Mourinho for ever as the latter is gone several months ago.

Manchester United has high standards. The expectations here are high and players need to deliver these expectations otherwise they'll get criticized. Can't see the problem with this. People's problem with Martial is he doesn't consistently deliver the 90 minutes of the game. As I said, he's a moments player who appears in 1 or 2 brilliant moment and the rest of his game for the rest of the match is underwhelming to watch. So whenever he doesn't score in a game he looks terrible.

No player is supposed to score every game thus you need to have a basic level and basic contribution in the game when you're not scoring. Rashford can be horrendous in a game with his decision making but he runs his socks off and keep having a presence up front with his running, movement and pressing. Whenever Martial doesn't score or have his brilliant moment, you forget he actually exists on the field, or only notices it when he fecks up a 5 yards easy pass.

I don't see how any coaching can be blamed for this. It's simply his problem that he's lacking so much basic stuff in playing football and he needs to improve. We can't hold a moments only player.

And btw, the other poor players in the squad are slaughtered x10 more than him aka Young and Lingard etc. No one is escaping criticism but people have higher expectations from supposedly better players and they need to deliver.
 

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I believe statistically, in a per 90m basis which is pretty reliable and not some senseless stat, he has been right up there with Hazard, at least in his first three years. I'm too lazy to look it up, but there is definitely a measure where he has been among names I guess you wouldn't expect in efficiency and impact. Although with his recent poor form, he's probably drifting away.
Hazard was regarded as one of the best players in France when he left and widely known by everyone in Europe when deciding who to join of his many persuers....the opposite of Martial....
 

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Who brought winning the league now ? I don't get how are you throwing random points like that.
You did, when you said this.

Our fans are toxic for asking for consistency and better form from a player playing for a club that's supposed to challenge for titles ?
So you see its not random, I am directly answering your questions and you don't like the answers.

All we're asking for him is to perform regularly and consistently rather than having a one or 2 brilliant moment in a game while being invisible for the rest for the rest. The question about expecting Martial to win the league as if he's himself good enough to win it and the problem is changing his teammates alone. Maybe he's also part of the reason we're not going to win the league as much as his teammates thanks to his inconsistency and deficiencies.
His end product is consistent, as I've pointed out numerous times. His goals / mins ratio is some of the best in the league since joining us. Too many fans expect all our players to be bundles of never ending energy, not every single player fits that mold. Herrera is a work rate player, Lingard is a work rate player. Reality is though you get feck all end product from Lingard. So tell me what's better? The player who gives energy and runs around offering little or the player that gives us that moment of magic scoring a winner or setting up a goal with a beautiful pass?

The realistic answer is its somewhere in between. For a great team you need both. You need players that give energy and work rate and others that give that moment of magic. Same way Chelsea have it with say Kante and Willian for work rate but Hazard is the luxury player and offers little in the way of defensive duties and work rate.

Jose hated him cause he didn't offer the latter, endless work rate defending our corner flag, but he offered magic.

The thread was made because he's still as underwhelming under Ole as he was under Mourinho. Under Mourinho people were putting the full blame on him, now it's a new manager, several months later and Martial is still with exact same problems as previously, so maybe the problem is his own at this point. He can't keep hiding behind Mourinho for ever as the latter is gone several months ago.
It's 4 months, of which he's had 2 injuries and missed a third of the games. Like I say, instant gratification. Zero patience to found within our fan base continually.

Manchester United has high standards. The expectations here are high and players need to deliver these expectations otherwise they'll get criticized. Can't see the problem with this. People's problem with Martial is he doesn't consistently deliver the 90 minutes of the game. As I said, he's a moments player who appears in 1 or 2 brilliant moment and the rest of his game for the rest of the match is underwhelming to watch. So whenever he doesn't score in a game he looks terrible.
Again, nothing wrong with being a moments player. All teams have these types of players. I would like to see more movement from him alright, troubling the back line but even without doing that often he still provides us with great end product.

I don't see how any coaching can be blamed for this. It's simply his problem that he's lacking so much basic stuff in playing football and he needs to improve. We can't hold a moments only player.
Why not? Do you expect a full 11 players of head bangers charging around with no ability to provide that moment of magic? To unlock a defence with a brilliant pass or perhaps finishing ability and scoring goals from difficult positions? Sure lets get a team of Lingards like you want and see how we fair.

Every team has players like Martial / Pogba who don't gamble about like a feckin headless chicken for the hell of it.

And btw, the other poor players in the squad are slaughtered x10 more than him aka Young and Lingard etc. No one is escaping criticism but people have higher expectations from supposedly better players and they need to deliver.
Pogba receives the most abuse of all our current players, similarly to Martial many call him like you've called Martial a "moments player".

All folks seem to want these days is a team of Lingard's. Long as they run around like a headless chicken and say pretty things post match they are great, but if they provide exciting football, score goals are provide brilliant passing sell them seems to be the general consensus with the vast majority of our fan base these days.
 

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He's not going to become anything for anyone if he doesn't work harder. He's not Messi.
 

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You did, when you said this.

So you see its not random, I am directly answering your questions and you don't like the answers.
"Challenge", not "win the league".

His end product is consistent, as I've pointed out numerous times. His goals / mins ratio is some of the best in the league since joining us. Too many fans expect all our players to be bundles of never ending energy, not every single player fits that mold. Herrera is a work rate player, Lingard is a work rate player. Reality is though you get feck all end product from Lingard. So tell me what's better? The player who gives energy and runs around offering little or the player that gives us that moment of magic scoring a winner or setting up a goal with a beautiful pass?

The realistic answer is its somewhere in between. For a great team you need both. You need players that give energy and work rate and others that give that moment of magic. Same way Chelsea have it with say Kante and Willian for work rate but Hazard is the luxury player and offers little in the way of defensive duties and work rate.
As I said in my previous post. There's no player who's going to score every game so you can't simply be a player who appears in 1 or 2 moments to score a goal and be invisible for the rest of the game. If you have an off day in front of the goal or not close enough to it you'll end up with a day like WHU game. If you want to challenge for the league, your forwards must have consistent presence upfront whatever they're scoring or not. Moments players aren't going to lead you anywhere all honestly and won't lead Martial himself anywhere. I have seen nothing with United the previous years to prove that moments players are the way to go.

Most of our squad are great on their day but terrible when they're off day. Martial isn't an exception. You aren't going to do anything with inconsistency, and if we end up upgrading the rest of the squad with better, more consistent players for example, the inconsistency of Martial will be exposed even more in comparison, rather than being covered with.

Jose hated him cause he didn't offer the latter, endless work rate defending our corner flag, but he offered magic.
You're really obsessed with Mourinho, aren't you ?

It's 4 months, of which he's had 2 injuries and missed a third of the games. Like I say, instant gratification. Zero patience to found within our fan base continually.
He's pretty much the only player who didn't have a boost in his form post sacking Mourinho. Even Pogba and Rashford had a good honeymoon period. Martial is still as he was previously but fans shouldn't be concerned ?

Again, nothing wrong with being a moments player. All teams have these types of players. I would like to see more movement from him alright, troubling the back line but even without doing that often he still provides us with great end product.

Why not? Do you expect a full 11 players of head bangers charging around with no ability to provide that moment of magic? To unlock a defence with a brilliant pass or perhaps finishing ability and scoring goals from difficult positions? Sure lets get a team of Lingards like you want and see how we fair.

Every team has players like Martial / Pogba who don't gamble about like a feckin headless chicken for the hell of it.
There's no top club whose attacking players are invisible and stinking the place the entire game and only appears in 1 or 2 moments of brilliance to score then disappear again. City and Liverpool trio work their socks off and have a positive contribution with their movement and running even when one of them have an off day or don't score.

You can't be a moments player only because you're not guaranteed to score every game to cover for it. You need to have a basic contribution and add the goals on it, so that when you don't score you still impacted the game.

Pogba receives the most abuse of all our current players, similarly to Martial many call him like you've called Martial a "moments player".

All folks seem to want these days is a team of Lingard's. Long as they run around like a headless chicken and say pretty things post match they are great, but if they provide exciting football, score goals are provide brilliant passing sell them.
All players get their fair share of slaughtering. The only problem is some can't withstand criticizing certain players and think they don't deserve it. Otherwise you can't convince me players like Lingard and Young aren't slaughtered as much as Pogba and Martial. Even Rashford was slaughtered alot.

United fans have high standard and rightly so.
 

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His top level is above anyone on our team. His bottom level is Ashley young on the left wing unfortunately
 

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Hazard was regarded as one of the best players in France when he left and widely known by everyone in Europe when deciding who to join of his many persuers....the opposite of Martial....
That has nothing to do with my post though, does it?
 

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He's a million miles from those you mention regardless of how you measure it. He's never been really in the same bracket bar an impressive first season.
Just a year ago you'd have laughed if someone had told you Richarlison and Declan Rice would be among the players of the season. Or that Lindelof would be Utd's best defender. It can all change overnight for a player of that talent when they find the extra gear.
 

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Hazard was regarded as one of the best players in France when he left and widely known by everyone in Europe when deciding who to join of his many persuers....the opposite of Martial....
Hazard is a good example because he is the example of a player that has a played a lot of games before moving to a big club, he could have easily moved at 18 years old, he was better than Martial at that time but he stayed until 21 and was a lot more refined.
 

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Just a year ago you'd have laughed if someone had told you Richarlison and Declan Rice would be among the players of the season. Or that Lindelof would be Utd's best defender. It can all change overnight for a player of that talent when they find the extra gear.
I don't think they are the players of the season....just other examples of over-hyping similar to Martial....
 

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You are creating statements that aren't there. Our team isn't good enough to win leagues, why do you expect Martial to win a league? Fact is as @Aloysius's Back 3 said, until we have a team / squad full of world class players its unfair to expect it, is that not fair? We've a team capable of top 4 and that's why we fight it out year in, year out now for top 4 for the most part.

Instead you want league titles won with Lingard? Darmian? Young? Valencia? Herrera? Come on, time to step into reality.

The thread is about his career, jesus why can't you understand that? You asked me a question and I answered it. Jose stopped his progression and he has to find fitness and form again under Ole but he hasn't as yet has he cause he's had 2 injuries since Ole arrived.

Ole has managed 23 games, Martial has been injured for 8 of them. So a third of them thus far. But he's supposed to be setting the world alight already?

Proving my point, no patience at all. Instant results or feck off constantly. Same folks that wanted rid of Lindelof after a handful of games at best. Same ones that have groaned all season about Fred and now he's performing.
I have to call bullshit here, chief. Charlie austin got 18 goals in an absolutely worthless QPR team that got relegated. He did it while surrounded by championship level players. We should be seeing far better from a supposed ballon dor contender. Hes been here long enough to have kicked on, but hes not. And all the excuses in the world wont make him any better. All the talent in the world means feck all if theres no hard work to back it up. If someone needs a team full of world class to show their talent, then what you really mean is, he needs to be carried.
 

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As I said in my previous post. There's no player who's going to score every game so you can't simply be a player who appears in 1 or 2 moments to score a goal and be invisible for the rest of the game. If you have an off day in front of the goal or not close enough to it you'll end up with a day like WHU game.
Like winning us the match winning penalty?

If you want to challenge for the league, your forwards must have consistent presence upfront whatever they're scoring or not. Moments players aren't going to lead you anywhere all honestly and won't lead Martial himself anywhere. I have seen nothing with United the previous years to prove that moments players are the way to go.
Yep and Martial gives us consistent end product, whilst Rashford gives us consistent energy. I'd consider playing just the 2 and Lukaku as a sub option. With his power he should be bullying tired defenders.

Any post Ferguson success can largely be attributed to both Pogba and Martial.

Martial was superb in his debut season and we won the FA Cup. Lets not forget his injury time winner in the semi final.

Pogba likewise was the Europa league player of the season we won it, scoring in the final. He was our main creator of chances and goals when we finished 2nd under Jose.

You're really obsessed with Mourinho, aren't you ?
Nope, just pointing out the idiocy of his decision to stall his development. Then folks like you wonder why Martial hasn't set the world alight? He's been Martial's main manager at United thus far, why shouldn't he be brought into the conversation? It's a thread about Martial's career at United after all.

He's pretty much the only player who didn't have a boost in his form post sacking Mourinho. Even Pogba and Rashford had a good honeymoon period. Martial is still as he was previously but fans shouldn't be concerned ?
Injured, for the 20th time at least! Injured for a third of the games Ole has been here.

There's no top club whose attacking players are invisible and stinking the place the entire game and only appears in 1 or 2 moments of brilliance to score then disappear again. City and Liverpool trio work their socks off and have a positive contribution with their movement and running even when one of them have an off day or don't score.
That's absolute bollicks! Chelsea are fuming Hudson-Odoi can't get a game with Pedro and Willian keeping him out. Both have been terrible all season.
Alli form at Spurs isn't what it was in previous seasons either, he's not setting the world alight. He's offered them very little in the way of goals and assists.
Martial has more goals than Sane. What about Mahrez? Can't get a look in either.
Ozil at Arsenal?

All those players are far more senior than Martial and performing as bad or worse than him. There are other too I'm sure but I don't support those clubs, so I'll leave it to other supporters of those clubs to post here...

The second black part is by an large down to the team set up, especially when considered under Jose. Klopp and Pep play completely differently to how Jose approaches the game. That's been Martial's main manager remember. He's had 10 whole starts so far with Ole and your expecting miracles from him already :houllier::lol:

You can't be a moments player only because you're not guaranteed to score every game to cover for it. You need to have a basic contribution and add the goals on it, so that when you don't score you still impacted the game.
He offers more, he runs at fullbacks constantly once fed the ball. His problem is he doesn't go seeking the ball enough and running in behind. But give him the ball to his feet and he'll run at them non stop. He sets up his fair share of goals too as well so he has an eye for a pass as well.

All players get their fair share of slaughtering. The only problem is some can't withstand criticizing certain players and think they don't deserve it. Otherwise you can't convince me players like Lingard and Young aren't slaughtered as much as Pogba and Martial. Even Rashford was slaughtered alot.

United fans have high standard and rightly so.
I've no issue with constructive criticism or high standards. Judging him after 10 games with Ole after 2 injuries is a bit of a rush for me. All I've said all day is give him a good run at it with Ole.

You started out today by saying he doesn't perform, he does. I gave you the stats to prove this. You ignored it. Then you changed tactic to say you can't just be a moments player, which I argued you can. All teams have moments players. He hasn't performed for Ole you say, he's had 10 starts for him and scored 4 times, so every other game he's scored. He's set up a few as well in that minimal playing time.

Which for me isn't exactly constructive and comes across as wanting instant results with zero excuses. I'm just trying to be patient and give him a proper run at it with an attack minded manager.
 

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I have to call bullshit here, chief. Charlie austin got 18 goals in an absolutely worthless QPR team that got relegated. He did it while surrounded by championship level players. We should be seeing far better from a supposed ballon dor contender. Hes been here long enough to have kicked on, but hes not. And all the excuses in the world wont make him any better. All the talent in the world means feck all if theres no hard work to back it up. If someone needs a team full of world class to show their talent, then what you really mean is, he needs to be carried.
I made this comment on the back of El saying we should be challenging / winning titles. I wouldn't expect a kid of his age to be carrying us to a league title largely on his own, hence the comment.

Martial has shown a good enough end product to win us leagues, his goals / mins ratio is some of the best in the league. I've said this repeatedly today! Problem is though you add in the likes of Lingard, Mata and others and they don't perform or give good enough end product.

His debut season 18 goals, he provided 26 goals in 28 starts in Jose's first season only for Jose to fall out with him in the next season.

It's not Martial's fault we had a negative and reactive manager in Jose.

Ole has hardly put an arse dent in the managers seat as yet and folks are slating him, forgetting the fact he's missed 8 games.
 

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Like winning us the match winning penalty?



Yep and Martial gives us consistent end product, whilst Rashford gives us consistent energy. I'd consider playing just the 2 and Lukaku as a sub option. With his power he should be bullying tired defenders.

Any post Ferguson success can largely be attributed to both Pogba and Martial.

Martial was superb in his debut season and we won the FA Cup. Lets not forget his injury time winner in the semi final.

Pogba likewise was the Europa league player of the season we won it, scoring in the final. He was our main creator of chances and goals when we finished 2nd under Jose.



Nope, just pointing out the idiocy of his decision to stall his development. Then folks like you wonder why Martial hasn't set the world alight? He's been Martial's main manager at United thus far, why shouldn't he be brought into the conversation? It's a thread about Martial's career at United after all.



Injured, for the 20th time at least! Injured for a third of the games Ole has been here.



That's absolute bollicks! Chelsea are fuming Hudson-Odoi can't get a game with Pedro and Willian keeping him out. Both have been terrible all season.
Alli form at Spurs isn't what it was in previous seasons either, he's not setting the world alight. He's offered them very little in the way of goals and assists.
Martial has more goals than Sane. What about Mahrez? Can't get a look in either.
Ozil at Arsenal?

All those players are far more senior than Martial and performing as bad or worse than him. There are other too I'm sure but I don't support those clubs, so I'll leave it to other supporters of those clubs to post here...

The second black part is by an large down to the team set up, especially when considered under Jose. Klopp and Pep play completely differently to how Jose approaches the game. That's been Martial's main manager remember. He's had 10 whole starts so far with Ole and your expecting miracles from him already :houllier::lol:



He offers more, he runs at fullbacks constantly once fed the ball. His problem is he doesn't go seeking the ball enough and running in behind. But give him the ball to his feet and he'll run at them non stop. He sets up his fair share of goals too as well so he has an eye for a pass as well.



I've no issue with constructive criticism or high standards. Judging him after 10 games with Ole after 2 injuries is a bit of a rush for me. All I've said all day is give him a good run at it with Ole.

You started out today by saying he doesn't perform, he does. I gave you the stats to prove this. You ignored it. Then you changed tactic to say you can't just be a moments player, which I argued you can. All teams have moments players. He hasn't performed for Ole you say, he's had 10 starts for him and scored 4 times, so every other game he's scored. He's set up a few as well in that minimal playing time.

Which for me isn't exactly constructive and comes across as wanting instant results with zero excuses. I'm just trying to be patient and give him a proper run at it with an attack minded manager.
In 2000 minutes Sane has 15 goals 14 assists. In 1900 minutes Martial has 12 goals and 2 assists. See the difference? Think you need an alternative stats website
 

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In 2000 minutes Sane has 15 goals 14 assists. In 1900 minutes Martial has 12 goals and 2 assists. See the difference? Think you need an alternative stats website
Not at all, I only said

Martial has more goals than Sane.
Which he does in the league.

Sane has provided more goal involvement and I won't say otherwise.
 

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Like winning us the match winning penalty?

Yep and Martial gives us consistent end product, whilst Rashford gives us consistent energy. I'd consider playing just the 2 and Lukaku as a sub option. With his power he should be bullying tired defenders.

Any post Ferguson success can largely be attributed to both Pogba and Martial.

Martial was superb in his debut season and we won the FA Cup. Lets not forget his injury time winner in the semi final.

Pogba likewise was the Europa league player of the season we won it, scoring in the final. He was our main creator of chances and goals when we finished 2nd under Jose.
You don't get it. No one is saying both are bad players in general. Both are great on their day. The problem is you never know if this is their day or not which doesn't happen to any world class players at any big club that provide a consistent performance week in week out and their off days are numbered. Also both are absolutely terrible when it's their day off. Is there any big player that ranges between 2 and 8 without inbetween ? Big players have a consistent 6/7 performance with the occasional 8/9 while their 4/5 performance are numbered hence these teams challenge for the title.

You can get away with inconsistency in cups but to challenge for the league you need consistency in performance and no United player, including Pogba and Martial, has shown it these years and that's why are a top 4 team at best.

Injured, for the 20th time at least! Injured for a third of the games Ole has been here.
And was underwhelming in the other 2/3, point ?

That's absolute bollicks! Chelsea are fuming Hudson-Odoi can't get a game with Pedro and Willian keeping him out. Both have been terrible all season.
Alli form at Spurs isn't what it was in previous seasons either, he's not setting the world alight. He's offered them very little in the way of goals and assists.
Martial has more goals than Sane. What about Mahrez? Can't get a look in either.
Ozil at Arsenal?

All those players are far more senior than Martial and performing as bad or worse than him. There are other too I'm sure but I don't support those clubs, so I'll leave it to other supporters of those clubs to post here...

The second black part is by an large down to the team set up, especially when considered under Jose. Klopp and Pep play completely differently to how Jose approaches the game. That's been Martial's main manager remember. He's had 10 whole starts so far with Ole and your expecting miracles from him already :houllier::lol:
You're giving example with Chelsea who are having a dogshite season so far, maybe even worse than us ? Great example that.

The harsh reality is Klopp and Pep would have never endured a static player with crap off ball movement and only moves with the ball in his feet. Martial would have never succeeded under both and you can look at how Liverpool and City trio run their socks off the entire game pressing and running even without the ball, completely different game from Martial's. They both want energetic players, not static one.

That theory about Klopp and Pep being more suited to Pogba and Martial has to be the biggest myth in this forum here all honestly.

He offers more, he runs at fullbacks constantly once fed the ball. His problem is he doesn't go seeking the ball enough and running in behind. But give him the ball to his feet and he'll run at them non stop. He sets up his fair share of goals too as well so he has an eye for a pass as well.
That basically means he's invisible whenever he doesn't have the ball. I don't remember a single successful forward who doesn't move except with the ball in his feet. That's why he's a moments player only, and that's why not many managers are going to endure this. Managers want continuous movement and impacting, not standing still waiting for the ball to reach you. Sure, he'll do 1 or 2 brilliant moments per game when he gets the ball but when he doesn't, it's like with 10 men.

I've no issue with constructive criticism or high standards. Judging him after 10 games with Ole after 2 injuries is a bit of a rush for me. All I've said all day is give him a good run at it with Ole.

You started out today by saying he doesn't perform, he does. I gave you the stats to prove this. You ignored it. Then you changed tactic to say you can't just be a moments player, which I argued you can. All teams have moments players. He hasn't performed for Ole you say, he's had 10 starts for him and scored 4 times, so every other game he's scored. He's set up a few as well in that minimal playing time.

Which for me isn't exactly constructive and comes across as wanting instant results with zero excuses. I'm just trying to be patient and give him a proper run at it with an attack minded manager..
He has been underwhelming and not performing well for a long time now and many people see that hence this thread was created. Maybe there's a possiblity you're the only one who isn't seeing it ?

Also the fact is you're totally fine with just a moments player is your problem as well. I'm sure as hell no one of us will be fine with that, as this thread and most posts prove as well
 

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His lack of effort is quite annoying, but I'm sure he came here as a striker, not a winger, so I dont think tracking the runs of fullbacks was instilled into him.

I remember his first season here and he gave VVD a torrid time playing as a CF against Southampton, I'd ship Lukaku out and try Martial as the number 9 next season.
 

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Inconsistency in a young player doesn't annoy me half as much as his clear lack of effort. No attacking work rate. Never looks to run in behind, poor movement and no real desire to get things going for majority of games. Far too happy to coast.
 

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I'm a massive Martial fan but he's been disappointing recently. His biggest problem is inconsistency. Second biggest problem is he doesn't take people on enough. He's got all the talent in the world but doesn't know how to access it sadly. Reminds me of Nani.
 

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I have to call bullshit here, chief. Charlie austin got 18 goals in an absolutely worthless QPR team that got relegated. He did it while surrounded by championship level players. We should be seeing far better from a supposed ballon dor contender. Hes been here long enough to have kicked on, but hes not. And all the excuses in the world wont make him any better. All the talent in the world means feck all if theres no hard work to back it up. If someone needs a team full of world class to show their talent, then what you really mean is, he needs to be carried.
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What rubbish. Players like that and even our very own Lukaku only do so well when the whole team is built around to get the best out of them - the crosses the passes and everything. It's not damn shock that Charlie Austin scored 18 goals for QPR :lol:

Martial is being discussed on his 3 year career.

Year 1 - good under LVG
Year 2 - Average & Jose wants a proper winger whilst never being the type of striker Jose ever plays like Zlatan, Ibra, Drogba, Higuain etc
Year 3 - Average again, still plays out wide with the occasional good performance.

Let him have a full season under Ole - who if he believes he is a United quality player then will try to get better out of him than he has been doing currently through mid-season. If not then he can bottle off.


It's just ridiculous how we blame the best players in our team when the whole team is rubbish. We should be improving the squad first then removing the players that are good but not damn great enough.
 

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I like Martial and he's shown his glimpses of brilliance, but he's been largely disappointing. I get that he has shit around him but he ought to be putting in better games regardless. I'd prefer we still keep him though and strengthen other areas.
 

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What rubbish. Players like that and even our very own Lukaku only do so well when the whole team is built around to get the best out of them - the crosses the passes and everything. It's not damn shock that Charlie Austin scored 18 goals for QPR :lol:

Martial is being discussed on his 3 year career.

Year 1 - good under LVG
Year 2 - Average & Jose wants a proper winger whilst never being the type of striker Jose ever plays like Zlatan, Ibra, Drogba, Higuain etc
Year 3 - Average again, still plays out wide with the occasional good performance.

Let him have a full season under Ole - who if he believes he is a United quality player then will try to get better out of him than he has been doing currently through mid-season. If not then he can bottle off.


It's just ridiculous how we blame the best players in our team when the whole team is rubbish. We should be improving the squad first then removing the players that are good but not damn great enough.
Good, Average, Average. Yet you're still claiming he's one of the best players in our team.
 

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Just a year ago you'd have laughed if someone had told you Richarlison and Declan Rice would be among the players of the season. Or that Lindelof would be Utd's best defender. It can all change overnight for a player of that talent when they find the extra gear.
People would still laugh at that now. Perhaps even more so now.
 

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What rubbish. Players like that and even our very own Lukaku only do so well when the whole team is built around to get the best out of them - the crosses the passes and everything. It's not damn shock that Charlie Austin scored 18 goals for QPR :lol:

Martial is being discussed on his 3 year career.

Year 1 - good under LVG
Year 2 - Average & Jose wants a proper winger whilst never being the type of striker Jose ever plays like Zlatan, Ibra, Drogba, Higuain etc
Year 3 - Average again, still plays out wide with the occasional good performance.

Let him have a full season under Ole - who if he believes he is a United quality player then will try to get better out of him than he has been doing currently through mid-season. If not then he can bottle off.


It's just ridiculous how we blame the best players in our team when the whole team is rubbish. We should be improving the squad first then removing the players that are good but not damn great enough.
Utter rubbish? So Charlie Austin didn’t manage to scrape 18 goals in an atrocious qpr side? Oh wait, he did. And he didn’t moan about the manager not hugging him enough, or the tactics not playing to his strengths, or the position, or his gloves being too tight, or whatever other made up bullshit excuses some people come up with to excuse the shit performances by our so called stars. If he was going to be anything special, he wouldnt be looking as one dimensionally shit as he does. His piss poor attitude has held him back, not lvg, not Jose, not ole.
 

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Was just thinking about how hard we were on Nani in his time here for being inconsistent. And this is a guy that was playing regularly in one of our best teams, winning everything to be won. If we are holding our current batch to the same measure then Martial is a long way off and deserves all the criticism.
 

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Good, Average, Average. Yet you're still claiming he's one of the best players in our team.
He is because who has been better?

I didn't like mkhitarayan but do you think selling Mkhitarayan directly for Sanchez was the best deal we could do or would it be better if we had kept both Mkhitarayan and Sanchez?

In my opinion we should have kept both because this squad has an uterr lack of quality all over the place.

No matter what anyone says - when we look for a gaol the players we look for is Rashford & Martial.

Selling them would only make sense when the rest of the team score as well. Selling one scorer for a different one when no one can pass the ball is purely a fans way of looking at things.

It's stupid.

Martial is good enough for Manchester United & is currently good enough for Manchester United because of the lack of quality around him. The moment we change that then martial becomes less of a key player and more of a important squad player & people will be less disappointed at home because he will not be our one of two only chances of putting the ball in the back of the net.
 

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He is because who has been better?

I didn't like mkhitarayan but do you think selling Mkhitarayan directly for Sanchez was the best deal we could do or would it be better if we had kept both Mkhitarayan and Sanchez?

In my opinion we should have kept both because this squad has an uterr lack of quality all over the place.

No matter what anyone says - when we look for a gaol the players we look for is Rashford & Martial.

Selling them would only make sense when the rest of the team score as well. Selling one scorer for a different one when no one can pass the ball is purely a fans way of looking at things.

It's stupid.

Martial is good enough for Manchester United & is currently good enough for Manchester United because of the lack of quality around him. The moment we change that then martial becomes less of a key player and more of a important squad player & people will be less disappointed at home because he will not be our one of two only chances of putting the ball in the back of the net.
How have you decided Martial is above or better than Lukaku?