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A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Soldado sustained an injury against Liverpool at Anfield in 2014, Spurs were being managed by Sherwood then not Poch - Kane came in and scored next match against West Brom so I see where you were going with that. Prior to that Soldado kept being picked by AVB, it's only when Sherwood came in he started to play Adebayor more and Kane was given a couple of games at the end of the season. The following season Poch was appointed and he was rotating Kane and Adebayor whilst Soldado barely got a look in and eventually due to Kane's good form and hard work he became first choice and the rest is history.
I don't understand the argument that he wouldn't do well with money or at a bigger team?, Poch has done pretty well with the restraints he's had at Spurs, never really had much money to spend plus Spurs have been competing with teams with higher wage bills for the past few years and he's pretty much just got on with it, I couldn't see him working at Real Madrid for example because his philosophy is the total opposite of what they expect as a club but Utd he would flourish IMO - The very fact that people expect Spurs to finish in the top four these days and compete is a testament to his managerial ability, Spurs were never thought of as a club who ought to be mixing with the bigger teams before he came in.
I've seen the improvement of players since Poch came in at Spurs and it's not a co-incidence that as a result we've improved as a team, he's a great manager but not without his flaws however he'd have been a good fit for Utd but I think the ship has well and truly sailed now.
I don't see how Milan are the best or more powerful than City no matter how good their history.
The absolute state of it.
Ironically, many of whom were probably defending Mourinho after going out to Sevilla last season.
He went to hug Guardiola and seize the moment to offer consolatory words and Guardiola wasn't having any of it. That whole moment was wrong.
I liked and still like Jose. But frankly, nonesense is nonsense no matter who demonstrates it. That's a philosophy I hold dear.
For me, it makes no sense to be contemplating the exit of a manager who just came in, did a superb job but is now experiencing a bad patch. We need to chill and give him all the support. The club must make sure this project succeeds. We shouldn't turn into a Chelsea that fires managers every other season.
Exactly and what I have been saying here for ages. Either way, if I was in charge of managerial appointment at United, I would have moved heaven and earth to make Pochettino our manager. To have a club like Spurs expected to finish top four now with the amount he has spend compared to his rivals show how great a job he has done. I have little doubt that at United, if he implement his footballing philosophy and the board backs him with top players, he would bring us back to the top of Europe.
Spurs played a huge gamble this season by not backing him without any new signing. They should not have refused the Tielsman deal and they should have brought in an extra attacker. Those signing would have guaranteed Spurs place in the top four again, but now they are struggling to keep hold of their top four position.
Moyes once finished fourth with a lot less resources at Everton than this current Spurs. In reality they are going to get smashed at City ( in the CL and in the League) drop points without Kane and finish outside top 4 alongside Arsenal.
Should have always been chosen above Ole
Less than zero euros spent? How is that even possible?
And did you see Spurs schedule? If they miss top4, it would be miracle.
Finishing top four without spending anything in the summer would be remarkable. However, they still have some tricky fixtures and they are without their best player. If other rivals loses their best players, whatever goals they are trying to achieve the experts and fans would say that it would be impossible to accomplish. It speaks volumes about how good a job Pochettino is doing that people still thinks Spurs will accomplish their goals without their best players available.
That point aside, I want to see Pochettino try and win the title next season by finally spending like his rivals. The development of the stadium and wages increases might impact their transfer budget, but another season in champions league should allow them to improve their team. They need to spend at least £200m to be able to compete for the domestic league and champion league.
That was only gonna happen if we'd gotten him to Utd.
Spuds will never provide that for him.
spurs have a gem of a manager
We absolutely do. To have achieved so many top 4 finishes - and, fingers crossed, another one this season - has been vital via CL football in providing a big chunk of the money needed to build our new stadium without crippling debt. And to have done so in the face of much bigger spending rivals is doubly excellent.
And, to boot, we're still in with a chance of making the CL semis!
Only because Ed reacted as he usually does. Badly. I still can't believe that we didn't try to sign him. What a decision by our board. Amazing, just amazing
Why would Poch have left from Spurs to Man Utd in the first place, say at the end of this season?
I mean, with all the good stuff happening over at Tottenham with a new stadium and all? Maybe one of the best in the world. Yes, he would probably have all the money in the world, but United need a lot more, which takes time.
Man Utd squad needs a lot of fixing, and would probably take about 2-3 transfer windows at first .. brick by brick, and compared to the new stadium at Tottenham even Old Trafford looks out of date.
I just don`t see why Poch would leave for United this time around. He is now mr. Spurs, why would he bet all of that on a maybe mr. Man Utd in three, to four years time .. during this time span i bet new upcoming managerial hotshots would also sound be more sexy than Poch .. fortball isn`t static
.. and Man City will probably dominate premier league for maybe a decade more making it even harder for managers in United to succed at long term. I mean their side can put out two first elevens that could beat anyone in the premier league
That is just my brain talking, and wondering .. asking again, why would Poch leave Spurs in the first place, if not only for the money he would have been offered for himself and for buying players
I also saw talk of Ole being judged by how he played Cardiff. My ten cents on this, is this .. Cardiff is not Man Utd. Cardiff fought for survival, United are fighting for the top four and will do that for a while more to come, this will take years no matter who would come in to manage Man utd .. City and `Pool are some great steps ahead .. Pep`s first season was not the best, and Klop said, judge me after four seasons (which is now)
Myself i am looking with exitement for the summer, the summer is a start only and i think there are some exiting times at United long term. Ole knows the club, and even if he stays there for one year or three years or thirty years he with staff and people around the club will start the rebuilding in the United the fans recognice, again football is not static so lets all join hands and hope it works
Has Premier League ever been any stronger? It`s not only Ferguson vs Wenger .. Ferguson vs Wenger vs Mourinho, it`s the top 6 now, and also Wolves with money and agent and a couple more teams challenging after that. I as a viewer find the Premier League more exiting than ever, besides City and this years Liverpool it`s pretty much great chaos making the premier league a very exiting league to watch
To sum up: Exiting times at Man Utd. A light chaos yes, but remember guys and gals .. brick by brick or else the house will fall
I mean, with all the good stuff happening over at Tottenham with a new stadium and all? Maybe one of the best in the world. Yes, he would probably have all the money in the world, but United need a lot more, which takes time.
Man Utd squad needs a lot of fixing, and would probably take about 2-3 transfer windows at first .. brick by brick, and compared to the new stadium at Tottenham even Old Trafford looks out of date.
I just don`t see why Poch would leave for United this time around. He is now mr. Spurs, why would he bet all of that on a maybe mr. Man Utd in three, to four years time .. during this time span i bet new upcoming managerial hotshots would also sound be more sexy than Poch .. fortball isn`t static
.. and Man City will probably dominate premier league for maybe a decade more making it even harder for managers in United to succed at long term. I mean their side can put out two first elevens that could beat anyone in the premier league
That is just my brain talking, and wondering .. asking again, why would Poch leave Spurs in the first place, if not only for the money he would have been offered for himself and for buying players
I also saw talk of Ole being judged by how he played Cardiff. My ten cents on this, is this .. Cardiff is not Man Utd. Cardiff fought for survival, United are fighting for the top four and will do that for a while more to come, this will take years no matter who would come in to manage Man utd .. City and `Pool are some great steps ahead .. Pep`s first season was not the best, and Klop said, judge me after four seasons (which is now)
Myself i am looking with exitement for the summer, the summer is a start only and i think there are some exiting times at United long term. Ole knows the club, and even if he stays there for one year or three years or thirty years he with staff and people around the club will start the rebuilding in the United the fans recognice, again football is not static so lets all join hands and hope it works
Has Premier League ever been any stronger? It`s not only Ferguson vs Wenger .. Ferguson vs Wenger vs Mourinho, it`s the top 6 now, and also Wolves with money and agent and a couple more teams challenging after that. I as a viewer find the Premier League more exiting than ever, besides City and this years Liverpool it`s pretty much great chaos making the premier league a very exiting league to watch
To sum up: Exiting times at Man Utd. A light chaos yes, but remember guys and gals .. brick by brick or else the house will fall
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Poch is one of the best managers in the league for me.
But unfortunately for him, he’ll never win feck all at Spurs because Levy doesn’t spend any cash.
Top 4 is a trophy for Spurs fans. But at Utd we need more than that.
I still think we should have gone all out for Poch and given him cash in the summer. But he’ll now end up at a Man City or Bayern.
I love Ole and think he’ll do well. But Poch would have taken us to another level.
But unfortunately for him, he’ll never win feck all at Spurs because Levy doesn’t spend any cash.
Top 4 is a trophy for Spurs fans. But at Utd we need more than that.
I still think we should have gone all out for Poch and given him cash in the summer. But he’ll now end up at a Man City or Bayern.
I love Ole and think he’ll do well. But Poch would have taken us to another level.
One thing i find really bizarre is this: when a manager plays attacking football every defeat tends to be subject of mockery by football fans and media. But nobody cares about all those clubs playing awfully and also winning nothing. All Spurs games are watchable for neutral fans. Managers like Pochettino trying to keep football interesting should be praised, otherwise whats the point?
I love how certain people are so sure Poch would taken us to another level. He would be just as big a risk, time will tell if we made the right call with Ole. I think Ole gets the club and knows what is expected, different expectations. There is no way if Pochetihno came in after Jose he would have got on that run, Ole has the job on merit. At Man United the priority is winning trophies and challenging for top honours, at Spurs it's clearly different. The top four is a priority over the domestic cups, progress is measured differently. It's about slowly improving and re-established champions league football and paying back this stadium, while building around financial restraints for the future. Poch is a really good manager but nothing has suggested he can win a title.
There is nothing to suggest Ole can either, the difference is that Ole has came in and worked well with the players. Really connected with the fans of what we want to see, he's embraced the traditions of the club and started the changes already. Fellaini gone, not the profile of player he wants, Valencia gone dead wood and there will be more to follow. I'm not saying a new manager wouldn't got rid of players but some would be given a chance. It happens under every manager of who fit's and who doesn't. It would have been a nightmare getting a new manager settled and ready for the new season, that's assuming people like Pochetihno actually wanted to come. We have a chance to get ready for the new season, if we sneak top 4 that will be achievement in itself considering the mess Ole came in to.
The point is Ole is here now and the talk of new managers needs to stop. Football fans seem to change from week to week depending on that weekend's result or performance. Time for United fans to get behind there manager and give him time. Time to bring in his players and get a good pre season to work with them. Pochetihno, Zidane, Blanc, Allegri were all a risk and guaranteed nothing. It's now down to the board to see how ambitious we are going forward. I feel we have the right man for United but he needs the right support.
There is nothing to suggest Ole can either, the difference is that Ole has came in and worked well with the players. Really connected with the fans of what we want to see, he's embraced the traditions of the club and started the changes already. Fellaini gone, not the profile of player he wants, Valencia gone dead wood and there will be more to follow. I'm not saying a new manager wouldn't got rid of players but some would be given a chance. It happens under every manager of who fit's and who doesn't. It would have been a nightmare getting a new manager settled and ready for the new season, that's assuming people like Pochetihno actually wanted to come. We have a chance to get ready for the new season, if we sneak top 4 that will be achievement in itself considering the mess Ole came in to.
The point is Ole is here now and the talk of new managers needs to stop. Football fans seem to change from week to week depending on that weekend's result or performance. Time for United fans to get behind there manager and give him time. Time to bring in his players and get a good pre season to work with them. Pochetihno, Zidane, Blanc, Allegri were all a risk and guaranteed nothing. It's now down to the board to see how ambitious we are going forward. I feel we have the right man for United but he needs the right support.
@Morpheus 7 .
PL proven manager.
Plays attacking football.
Knows how to build a team.
Knows how to work in big club.
Good record in Saints and even more better in Spurs.
On the other hand Ole.... well he "knows the club"( whatever that means).
But yeah, Poch would be the risk.
PL proven manager.
Plays attacking football.
Knows how to build a team.
Knows how to work in big club.
Good record in Saints and even more better in Spurs.
On the other hand Ole.... well he "knows the club"( whatever that means).
But yeah, Poch would be the risk.
I get you love poch but that bold part. If you're going to shit on our manager at least stick to your above points which make sense.
Behind the scenes , we don't know what goes on, strange how Zidane goes back to Real, next week or so Ole Gets job?
So I'm a believer that Poch was in running as well, and one went back, because Ole was having the job, and the other one Poch, decided to stay at Spurs.
Why give him the job, Now, not in May? Results were very good, but why didn't they wait until May?. Well we have to go with it now, but my inkling is he will get the boot in January, hope not, hope he's the answer , hope the club back him, hope they get the transfers needed, hope , hope hope. Roll on 2019/2020.
So I'm a believer that Poch was in running as well, and one went back, because Ole was having the job, and the other one Poch, decided to stay at Spurs.
Why give him the job, Now, not in May? Results were very good, but why didn't they wait until May?. Well we have to go with it now, but my inkling is he will get the boot in January, hope not, hope he's the answer , hope the club back him, hope they get the transfers needed, hope , hope hope. Roll on 2019/2020.
Why have attached my username with that post?I get you love poch but that bold part. If you're going to shit on our manager at least stick to your above points which make sense.
We are talking here would Poch be better solution than Ole. It is not shitting on Ole. We are pretending now how our board made a good call and people trying to find arguments that they did. Well, they didn't. Board decided to go with easy ( and cheaper) option. Being supportive and telling how thing stand are two different things.I get you love poch but that bold part. If you're going to shit on our manager at least stick to your above points which make sense.
We have Ole now, we can and must believe that he will be good for us but why is telling the truth( or giving opinion at least) some attack on Ole, club or something like that?
And Spurs are big club. Not even close big as United, Juve, Barca...but they are big
Sorry i did it. It was just reply to your post. My bad.
You never replied to my post, are you drunk?
I tag you instead of clicking reply. As i said, my mistake. And he replied on my post with your username in that post. I made a mess
Other than this >
< I have nothing else to say about that bold part.As I said before your above points make sense, so there's nothing wrong with what you said but when you start saying spurs are a big club to prove your point it just comes across as you'd say anything to discredit our manager as anyone in football wouldn't think of spurs being a big club but since you said it, I'd like to know why you think they're a big club.
I may be in minority but I don't find Pochettino's teams attacking or their football attractive at all and I have seen fair number of their matches as well. He is much similar to Peak Mourinho than Guardiola or Klopp in his approach which not many are willing to admit.
For anyone keep asking why the board signed Ole before end of season. Because they messed up player contracts and without insurance of how the management will look next season, period.
Players simply need to know are they in the right hand, and able to achieve anything before committed.
So stop questioning and let's judge Ole after at minimum one season. Ideally 3.
Players simply need to know are they in the right hand, and able to achieve anything before committed.
So stop questioning and let's judge Ole after at minimum one season. Ideally 3.
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Ok, i will call them big(ish). Spurs fans can explain to you are they big, big-ish or whatever they areOther than this >
As I said before your above points make sense, so there's nothing wrong with what you said but when you start saying spurs are a big club to prove your point it just comes across as you'd say anything to discredit our manager as anyone in football wouldn't think of spurs being a big club but since you said it, I'd like to know why you think they're a big club.
The two bold parts are not true.
Exactly, don't know where this idea of Spurs playing attractive, attacking football comes from (well I do, it's the Poch fan club).
Let's put it this way: when we have the world's best stadium, a world-class training centre, are amongst the world's top 10 clubs in terms of income and had an average attendance of 71,000 for our home games last season... we can hardly be described as a middle-size club.
Define 'attacking' football because IMO the phrase is completely subjective.
For me attacking football is always playing or trying to play on the front foot, so defenders pushing up high to try and gain possesion in the middle 3rd. Full backs joining the attack, forwards constantly roaming to find space. Pressing high up the pitch wheh defending etc.
For example the way Spurs setup against City midweek was to defend high up the pitch in a 4-2-3-1 shape not allowing them to bring the ball out from the back - basically a high risk/high reward strategy.
I don't see how Pochettino's football can be seen as anything other than an attacking philosophy or at least trying to provoke the opposition by playing on the front foot. If you say that Spurs haven't been as fluid to watch as City or Liverpool this season then I guess that's fair but to say they don't play attacking is nonsense sorry.
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Except you won’t be in the top 10 of revenue because your squad will be depleted starting this summer and you won’t be ponying up the funds to replenish it due to the massive investment you’ve just made in your stadium.
Case and point, your squad won’t see one pound of the £25m you get from us for Alderweireld this summer.
I'm glad he is staying put. First,Let's see him handle Spurs when they have loads to spend. I also didn't want him reducing the relative strength of the EPL by jumping ship to us, Real or PSG neither. Perfect outcome for me.
Do They still have money after the new cheese room though..
I don't think that they will spend much in next few years. They will must sell players to spend.
Can’t they start by selling the cheese room and recoup some cash that way?