Sticky sheetsI bet that was one hell of clean up job in the morning .
Sticky sheetsI bet that was one hell of clean up job in the morning .
No one says Lingard should be starting and no one claims he is above the players he plays with like you are doing with Martial. This is also a thread about Martial.Funny and cute, Martial won FIFA world Young player of the year.
Lingard has had literally a singular good month in 2017-18 season, think it was around Nov / Dec and he scored in a few games back to back.
Martial has provided double what Lingard has, he's 3 years younger... Lingard is a senior player now. Why is there such an intense focus on Martial, but not Lingard? Still have folks giving it loads about Lingard being a kid and he'll develop! He's closer to retirement at this point ffs and delivers nothing.
- Lingard has played for us 164 time and scored 29 and set up 18 goals. Total of 47 goals involved
- Martial has played 170 games scoring 48 and setting up 29. Total 77 goals involved.
Actually, quite a few have in fact. There's more than a few that have posted he isn't delivering so sell him.So when I said its not about winning trophies or even games, you chose to ignore that and completely distort what I was saying? I never said martial had to be messi. It would be a start though, if he should the same level of effort as scott mctominay. Quit moving the goal posts, brobeans. Not a single person has said he should be first out the door. Not one. So why youre bringing up mata or lingard as being worse, I dont know.
I'm not sure why we are questioning his input at all myself when there are far greater problems than Martial in the squad. No RB worthy of mention, No RW, Matic on his last legs...But you're arguing a point that no one is making. No one is saying other players have been good enough, people are saying Martial hasn't been good enough either. There's no army of people saying we should keep them and get rid of him. There's just some people pointing out he's part of the problem and should be getting beat with the same stick instead of people constantly making excuses for him.
The numbers say otherwise, I asked you to prove to me he isn't. You can't.Martial is not above this squad at all. Im done with this now. What good is it arguing with someone who thinks its the other players holding him back when it’s clear when you watch him play that it’s his own faults that hold him back.
Pretty sure it's due to the wages they earn. For the wages Martial earns, he needs to be more consistent than Lingard, especially at bigger stages. for what its worth, I am not questioning his numbers. In terms of pure numbers, Martial has been fine for his age. But now is the time he needs to step up, improve his workrate and consistency instead of drifting in and out of matches.
People saying he should be sold is not the same as saying he should be first out the door. If people would stop getting so defensive over him they'd not be inventing arguments that aren't there.Actually, quite a few have in fact. There's more than a few that have posted he isn't delivering so sell him.
Folks have repeatedly said he's under performing, he's not. I've spent page after page saying this, providing evidence to the contrary. I've admitted he lacks movement... However, even though he lacks movement within his game, his returns are still brilliant.
If he added movement / runs in behind the back line, he would definitely be our 25 goal a season player we need. As yet he hasn't.
I'm not sure why we are questioning his input at all myself when there are far greater problems than Martial in the squad. No RB worthy of mention, No RW, Matic on his last legs...
Martial performs... lets create a thread saying he isn't good enough?
Well he actually is. I've asked 3 times for you to show me where he isn't and you haven't.He isn’t performing better than the rest though is he .
He performs better than the rest until he doesn’t, and then it’s because it’s the other players holding him back
What a load of bollocks
His work rate is the issue for all of us. The difference is that myself and others think that he should have upped that part of his game long before now. And you saying "if he aads that to his game...". No shit, but the point is he wont. At least not going by what hes showed us in the almost four years hes been here. He doesnt have to be messi, he doesnt have to score 25 goals a season, he just needs to up his effort and hed get a chance from me at least, but as I said. Ive seen nothing that says hes going to change his shitty attitude to doing the work.And he is....... Basically giving us double what Lingard is.
He won FIFA world young player of the year in his debut season. Has scored against Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal twice each, City and Spurs a goal a piece. Scored in FA Cup Semi Finals.
- Lingard has played for us 164 time and scored 29 and set up 18 goals. Total of 47 goals involved
- Martial has played 170 games scoring 48 and setting up 29. Total 77 goals involved.
The work rate is the issue for me, added that and he will most likely be a 25 goal a season type player.
Nonsense! Lingard has a cool knickname and a clothing line. Clearly its because he doesnt have wordclass all around him that hes shit. If he did, hed start the revolution against rice puddings with bits of fruit in them. Get timeshares for dogs and cats. Expose Melania as the real puppet master. Make brexit a euphemism for bolting from a girl with a fish issue. And have jumping the tie fighter replace jumping the shark.Herrera won player of the year!!! He is being held back by Martial!!! Ander is so much better than the rest of the team!!!
When he wins an award on the same level as Martial, come back to meHerrera won player of the year!!! He is being held back by Martial!!! Ander is so much better than the rest of the team!!!
People saying he should be sold is not the same as saying he should be first out the door. If people would stop getting so defensive over him they'd not be inventing arguments that aren't there.
He's had almost 4 years to add movement, what makes you think he's going to add it now? He's shown no drive to improve. Let me guess...Mourinho.
We are questioning him because he's a Manchester United player, Manchester United have not been good enough and we've seen him be a part of that. He's not a special snowflake that's above criticism, he's part of the problem and has done nothing to earn special treatment. He can't hide behind other players or former managers.
He doesn't perform enough and his bottom level is crap.
There's no point in discussing this. Some people just pick their favourite player and he can do no wrong.
You're both making similar points so I'll address it in the one...His work rate is the issue for all of us. The difference is that myself and others think that he should have upped that part of his game long before now. And you saying "if he aads that to his game...". No shit, but the point is he wont. At least not going by what hes showed us in the almost four years hes been here. He doesnt have to be messi, he doesnt have to score 25 goals a season, he just needs to up his effort and hed get a chance from me at least, but as I said. Ive seen nothing that says hes going to change his shitty attitude to doing the work.
Almost four years is expecting instant results? O..........K..........When he wins an award on the same level as Martial, come back to me
As it currently stands, Martial had his contract renewed, the other is on his way and surplus to requirements it seems cause he's little more than another badge kisser.
You're both making similar points so I'll address it in the one...
It's not defensive, its just standard of today's fickle expecting instant results and without adding some constructive context to the argument.
As I've said before, his main manager to date is Jose. A manager who really didn't like him clearly, he misused him and requested he change his game completely and become more defensive minded. Martial had a run of 29 starts in his first season, the best Jose could afford him in 2 years was a run of 5 games on the bounce. Now to put that into context...
Lukaku played a total of 4,071 minutes of football last season in 2017/18
Martial played a total of 4,854 minutes of football over the 2016/17 season...AND... 2017/18 season.
That's a difference of 783 minutes or just slightly over 8 games.
That right there is the definition of phasing a player out.
But apparently to all you lot on here that isn't a valid excuse, means feck all cause he deserved it apparently is what I'm told, when his performance data says otherwise.
Jose is now gone, he's started 9 games for Ole, scored 4 and set up 2. Hasn't been the most energetic by any means but injuries will do that too you.
He's 23 and creeping toward an age where its make or break, hence I say give him next season in an attacking side after Ole / Mike have have done some transfers and see where he is.
Half of which was as a bit part player, No point me asking you are you really that dumb cause well you've just proved to me you are.Almost four years is expecting instant results? O..........K..........
I literally mentioned in my post that I am not questioning his numbers at all, but his workrate and consistency. There's no point in quoting his numbers again. It's not something that I don't know already.And he is....... Basically giving us double what Lingard is.
He won FIFA world young player of the year in his debut season. Has scored against Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal twice each, City and Spurs a goal a piece. Scored in FA Cup Semi Finals.
- Lingard has played for us 164 time and scored 29 and set up 18 goals. Total of 47 goals involved
- Martial has played 170 games scoring 48 and setting up 29. Total 77 goals involved.
The work rate is the issue for me, added that and he will most likely be a 25 goal a season type player.
So sassy.Half of which was as a bit part player, No point me asking you are you really that dumb cause well you've just proved to me you are.
His consistency is fine then surely if you've seen his numbers?I literally mentioned in my post that I am not questioning his numbers at all, but his workrate and consistency. There's no point in quoting his numbers again. It's not something that I don't know already.
Blaming Jose whatever happen of course.Some are blaming him while some want to blame previous management.
One question probably is more relevant. What is the expectation from Martial by say May 2020, regardless of him playing No 9 or LW?
Relax, dude! I agree with you but we don't need the name calling.Half of which was as a bit part player, No point me asking you are you really that dumb cause well you've just proved to me you are.
I was a Jose supporter on here in lots of cases, I even supported him when I shouldn't have. However it's hard for me to understand how United fans fail to acknowledge that Mourinho failed in his handling of 20 year old Martial. Same way he mishandled Shaw our best LB by a mile.Well if you interpret this as an ‘agenda defending Mourhino’ you don’t seem receptive to reasonable discussion.
This is supposed to be about how good Martial is meant to be, not how shite anyone else is.
How did you came out with that he's getting a free pass? I think he get as much stick as anyone.Why do people keep bringing this up? This is a thread about Martial, why would other players be scrutinized in here? There's plenty of other places on the forum where people are saying Lukaku, Lingard, Rashford, etc. should be sold, but this one is specifically about Martial and no one is even saying he should be the first to go just that he should be on the list with others instead of given some sort of free pass like he's above the shit we've served up. He's a part of it.
Such an underrated commentSo sassy.