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1) Sjor/Pat - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) J. Kohler (1) 3) A. Benarrivo 4) G. Signori 5) W. Zmuda 6) S. Effenberg (284)

2) Moby - 1) Pele 2) G. Best (6) 3) G. Muller (1) 4) G. Facchetti (34) 5) G. Souness 6) R. Krol (4)

3) GSTQ - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) F. Puskas (5) 3) S. Kocsis (1) 4) Z. Czibor (2) 5) A. Shesternyov 6) Garrincha (1)

4) Michaelf - 1) Zico 2) G. Scirea (1) 3) D. Maradona (97) 4) M. Platini (8) 5) T. Finney 6) C. Gentile (36)

5) Indnyc - 1) C. Ronaldo 2) Ronaldinho (2) 3) T. Henry (1) 4) R. Carvalho (3) 5) M. Bossis 6) N. Vidic (1)

6) 2mufc0 - 1) A. Nesta 2) J. Zanetti (1) 3) R. Keane (1) 4) R. Ferdinand (25) 5) LEGACY 6) D. Passarella (74)

7) P-Nut - 1) L. Messi 2) Xavi (1) 3) P. Lahm (1) 4) A. Pirlo (1) 5) S. Mazzola 6) A. Cole

8) Zlatan7 - 1) F. Redondo 2) A. Del Piero (9) 3) E. Davids 4) L. Figo (1) 5) Raúl 6) R. Carlos

9) Himannv - 1) M. Van Basten 2) Tassotti (2) 3) O. Kahn (195) 4) G. Zola (17) 5) K-H. Schnellinger 6. D. Bergkamp (30)

10) onenil/Invictus - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) J. Cruijff 3) P. R. Falcão (1) 4) Carlos Alberto (1) 5) C. Blanco 6). J. Neeskens

11) Jim Beam - 1) M. Desailly 2) M. Sammer (8) 3) G. Batistuta (12) 4) O. Ruggeri (8) 5) T. Burgnich 6) T. Häßler (62)

12) harms - 1) P. Maldini 2) R. Koeman (21) 3) G. Weah (6) D. Savicevic (1) 5) K-H. Rummenigge

13) MJJ/Swarm - 1) Romario 2) M. Amoros (67) 3) D. Deschamps (224) 4) L. Blanc (∞) 5) LEGACY

14) Green Smiley - 1) H. Stoichkov 2) A. Brehme (47) 3) P. Vierchowod (1) 4) R. Ferri (7) 5) E. Gerets

15) Fred_and_Wilma_87 - 1) R. Gullit 2) R. Baggio 3. G. Popescu 4) C. Ferrara (100) 5) D. Alves

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Bernd Schuster - I’ve sent my pick to the committee but they seem to prefer company of their new born children or just Edgar stuff. On the phone so can please someone update the list?

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1) Sjor/Pat - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) J. Kohler (1) 3) A. Benarrivo 4) G. Signori 5) W. Zmuda 6) S. Effenberg (284)

2) Moby - 1) Pele 2) G. Best (6) 3) G. Muller (1) 4) G. Facchetti (34) 5) G. Souness 6) R. Krol (4)

3) GSTQ - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) F. Puskas (5) 3) S. Kocsis (1) 4) Z. Czibor (2) 5) A. Shesternyov 6) Garrincha (1)

4) Michaelf - 1) Zico 2) G. Scirea (1) 3) D. Maradona (97) 4) M. Platini (8) 5) T. Finney 6) C. Gentile (36)

5) Indnyc - 1) C. Ronaldo 2) Ronaldinho (2) 3) T. Henry (1) 4) R. Carvalho (3) 5) M. Bossis 6) N. Vidic (1)

6) 2mufc0 - 1) A. Nesta 2) J. Zanetti (1) 3) R. Keane (1) 4) R. Ferdinand (25) 5) LEGACY 6) D. Passarella (74)

7) P-Nut - 1) L. Messi 2) Xavi (1) 3) P. Lahm (1) 4) A. Pirlo (1) 5) S. Mazzola 6) A. Cole

8) Zlatan7 - 1) F. Redondo 2) A. Del Piero (9) 3) E. Davids 4) L. Figo (1) 5) Raúl 6) R. Carlos (57)

9) Himannv - 1) M. Van Basten 2) Tassotti (2) 3) O. Kahn (195) 4) G. Zola (17) 5) K-H. Schnellinger 6. D. Bergkamp (30)

10) onenil/Invictus - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) J. Cruijff 3) P. R. Falcão (1) 4) Carlos Alberto (1) 5) C. Blanco 6). J. Neeskens

11) Jim Beam - 1) M. Desailly 2) M. Sammer (8) 3) G. Batistuta (12) 4) O. Ruggeri (8) 5) T. Burgnich 6) T. Häßler (62)

12) harms - 1) P. Maldini 2) R. Koeman (21) 3) G. Weah (6) D. Savicevic (1) 5) K-H. Rummenigge 6) B. Schuster (1)

13) MJJ/Swarm - 1) Romario 2) M. Amoros (67) 3) D. Deschamps (224) 4) L. Blanc (∞) 5) LEGACY

14) Green Smiley - 1) H. Stoichkov 2) A. Brehme (47) 3) P. Vierchowod (1) 4) R. Ferri (7) 5) E. Gerets

15) Fred_and_Wilma_87 - 1) R. Gullit 2) R. Baggio 3. G. Popescu 4) C. Ferrara (100) 5) D. Alves
 

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5) K-H. Schnellinger
I am sorry about bringing this up after someone has drafted him but recently I have felt he is very overrated.

Not just specific to the Jair case I posted in the last draft, but I have seen a few other games where quick tricky wingers have absolutely left him for dead.

The number of times players sent him the wrong side with him ending up on his arse seemed quite high.

I felt his reading of the game was not good enough for him to be classified as an absolute top tier LB.

Maybe I have not watched enough yet though.
 

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Sorry for the repeated hold ups, honestly wanted to mostly watch MJJ do the draft and help out here and there, not make all these decisions :nervous: He seems to be quite busy these days and I'm not blaming him at all, but I was also travelling a lot and a bit sick. Just got home, so will take a look now.
 

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Sorry for the repeated hold ups, honestly wanted to mostly watch MJJ do the draft and help out here and there, not make all these decisions :nervous: He seems to be quite busy these days and I'm not blaming him at all, but I was also travelling a lot and a bit sick. Just got home, so will take a look now.
No worries. You need to PM a position for your legacy player too, and remember that you don’t have a decade restriction for this round.
 

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I am sorry about bringing this up after someone has drafted him but recently I have felt he is very overrated.

Not just specific to the Jair case I posted in the last draft, but I have seen a few other games where quick tricky wingers have absolutely left him for dead.

The number of times players sent him the wrong side with him ending up on his arse seemed quite high.

I felt his reading of the game was not good enough for him to be classified as an absolute top tier LB.

Maybe I have not watched enough yet though.
From what I’ve seen, I’d rate him higher as a sweeper. He lacked agility to face truly great nimble wingers.
 

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I am sorry about bringing this up after someone has drafted him but recently I have felt he is very overrated.

Not just specific to the Jair case I posted in the last draft, but I have seen a few other games where quick tricky wingers have absolutely left him for dead.

The number of times players sent him the wrong side with him ending up on his arse seemed quite high.

I felt his reading of the game was not good enough for him to be classified as an absolute top tier LB.

Maybe I have not watched enough yet though.
He was really bad vs us in the 68—69 EC semis. Best had a great game against him from what I remember and it was our crap finishing that allowed Milan to go through..
 

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From what I’ve seen, I’d rate him higher as a sweeper. He lacked agility to face truly great nimble wingers.
Ah, that makes sense. Exactly what I felt about the wingers part.

He was really bad vs us in the 68—69 EC semis. Best had a great game against him from what I remember and it was our crap finishing that allowed Milan to go through.
Thanks for the info. Both the legs are available on footballia, I will check them out.
 

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No worries. You need to PM a position for your legacy player too, and remember that you don’t have a decade restriction for this round.
Ye, not too fussed at this point, I don't think MJJ cares too much. He will have to deal with the mess I am drafting in the writeups :lol:
 

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1) Sjor/Pat - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) J. Kohler (1) 3) A. Benarrivo 4) G. Signori 5) W. Zmuda 6) S. Effenberg (284)

2) Moby - 1) Pele 2) G. Best (6) 3) G. Muller (1) 4) G. Facchetti (34) 5) G. Souness 6) R. Krol (4)

3) GSTQ - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) F. Puskas (5) 3) S. Kocsis (1) 4) Z. Czibor (2) 5) A. Shesternyov 6) Garrincha (1)

4) Michaelf - 1) Zico 2) G. Scirea (1) 3) D. Maradona (97) 4) M. Platini (8) 5) T. Finney 6) C. Gentile (36)

5) Indnyc - 1) C. Ronaldo 2) Ronaldinho (2) 3) T. Henry (1) 4) R. Carvalho (3) 5) M. Bossis 6) N. Vidic (1)

6) 2mufc0 - 1) A. Nesta 2) J. Zanetti (1) 3) R. Keane (1) 4) R. Ferdinand (25) 5) LEGACY 6) D. Passarella (74)

7) P-Nut - 1) L. Messi 2) Xavi (1) 3) P. Lahm (1) 4) A. Pirlo (1) 5) S. Mazzola 6) A. Cole

8) Zlatan7 - 1) F. Redondo 2) A. Del Piero (9) 3) E. Davids 4) L. Figo (1) 5) Raúl 6) R. Carlos (57)

9) Himannv - 1) M. Van Basten 2) Tassotti (2) 3) O. Kahn (195) 4) G. Zola (17) 5) K-H. Schnellinger 6. D. Bergkamp (30)

10) onenil/Invictus - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) J. Cruijff 3) P. R. Falcão (1) 4) Carlos Alberto (1) 5) C. Blanco 6). J. Neeskens

11) Jim Beam - 1) M. Desailly 2) M. Sammer (8) 3) G. Batistuta (12) 4) O. Ruggeri (8) 5) T. Burgnich 6) T. Häßler (62)

12) harms - 1) P. Maldini 2) R. Koeman (21) 3) G. Weah (6) D. Savicevic (1) 5) K-H. Rummenigge 6) B. Schuster (1)

13) MJJ/Swarm - 1) Romario 2) M. Amoros (67) 3) D. Deschamps (224) 4) L. Blanc (∞) 5) LEGACY 6) A. Iniesta (216)

14) Green Smiley - 1) H. Stoichkov 2) A. Brehme (47) 3) P. Vierchowod (1) 4) R. Ferri (7) 5) E. Gerets

15) Fred_and_Wilma_87 - 1) R. Gullit 2) R. Baggio 3. G. Popescu 4) C. Ferrara (100) 5) D. Alves

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1) Sjor/Pat - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) J. Kohler (1) 3) A. Benarrivo 4) G. Signori 5) W. Zmuda 6) S. Effenberg (284)

2) Moby - 1) Pele 2) G. Best (6) 3) G. Muller (1) 4) G. Facchetti (34) 5) G. Souness 6) R. Krol (4)

3) GSTQ - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) F. Puskas (5) 3) S. Kocsis (1) 4) Z. Czibor (2) 5) A. Shesternyov 6) Garrincha (1)

4) Michaelf - 1) Zico 2) G. Scirea (1) 3) D. Maradona (97) 4) M. Platini (8) 5) T. Finney 6) C. Gentile (36)

5) Indnyc - 1) C. Ronaldo 2) Ronaldinho (2) 3) T. Henry (1) 4) R. Carvalho (3) 5) M. Bossis 6) N. Vidic (1)

6) 2mufc0 - 1) A. Nesta 2) J. Zanetti (1) 3) R. Keane (1) 4) R. Ferdinand (25) 5) T. Sheringham 6) D. Passarella (74)

7) P-Nut - 1) L. Messi 2) Xavi (1) 3) P. Lahm (1) 4) A. Pirlo (1) 5) S. Mazzola 6) A. Cole

8) Zlatan7 - 1) F. Redondo 2) A. Del Piero (9) 3) E. Davids 4) L. Figo (1) 5) Raúl 6) R. Carlos (57)

9) Himannv - 1) M. Van Basten 2) Tassotti (2) 3) O. Kahn (195) 4) G. Zola (17) 5) K-H. Schnellinger 6. D. Bergkamp (30)

10) onenil/Invictus - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) J. Cruijff 3) P. R. Falcão (1) 4) Carlos Alberto (1) 5) C. Blanco 6). J. Neeskens

11) Jim Beam - 1) M. Desailly 2) M. Sammer (8) 3) G. Batistuta (12) 4) O. Ruggeri (8) 5) T. Burgnich 6) T. Häßler (62)

12) harms - 1) P. Maldini 2) R. Koeman (21) 3) G. Weah (6) D. Savicevic (1) 5) K-H. Rummenigge 6) B. Schuster (1)

13) MJJ/Swarm - 1) Romario 2) M. Amoros (67) 3) D. Deschamps (224) 4) L. Blanc (∞) 5) LEGACY 6) A. Iniesta (216)

14) Green Smiley - 1) H. Stoichkov 2) A. Brehme (47) 3) P. Vierchowod (1) 4) R. Ferri (7) 5) E. Gerets 6) E. Francescoli (1)

15) Fred_and_Wilma_87 - 1) R. Gullit 2) R. Baggio 3. G. Popescu 4) C. Ferrara (100) 5) D. Alves

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I am sorry about bringing this up after someone has drafted him but recently I have felt he is very overrated.

Not just specific to the Jair case I posted in the last draft, but I have seen a few other games where quick tricky wingers have absolutely left him for dead.

The number of times players sent him the wrong side with him ending up on his arse seemed quite high.

I felt his reading of the game was not good enough for him to be classified as an absolute top tier LB.

Maybe I have not watched enough yet though.
I've always thought he was more of a sweeper than an LB.
 

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1) Sjor/Pat - 1) F. Rijkaard 2) J. Kohler (1) 3) A. Benarrivo 4) G. Signori 5) W. Zmuda 6) S. Effenberg (284)

2) Moby - 1) Pele 2) G. Best (6) 3) G. Muller (1) 4) G. Facchetti (34) 5) G. Souness 6) R. Krol (4)

3) GSTQ - 1) A. Di Stefano 2) F. Puskas (5) 3) S. Kocsis (1) 4) Z. Czibor (2) 5) A. Shesternyov 6) Garrincha (1)

4) Michaelf - 1) Zico 2) G. Scirea (1) 3) D. Maradona (97) 4) M. Platini (8) 5) T. Finney 6) C. Gentile (36)

5) Indnyc - 1) C. Ronaldo 2) Ronaldinho (2) 3) T. Henry (1) 4) R. Carvalho (3) 5) M. Bossis 6) N. Vidic (1)

6) 2mufc0 - 1) A. Nesta 2) J. Zanetti (1) 3) R. Keane (1) 4) R. Ferdinand (25) 5) T. Sheringham 6) D. Passarella (74)

7) P-Nut - 1) L. Messi 2) Xavi (1) 3) P. Lahm (1) 4) A. Pirlo (1) 5) S. Mazzola 6) A. Cole

8) Zlatan7 - 1) F. Redondo 2) A. Del Piero (9) 3) E. Davids 4) L. Figo (1) 5) Raúl 6) R. Carlos (57)

9) Himannv - 1) M. Van Basten 2) Tassotti (2) 3) O. Kahn (195) 4) G. Zola (17) 5) K-H. Schnellinger 6. D. Bergkamp (30)

10) onenil/Invictus - 1) F. Beckenbauer 2) J. Cruijff 3) P. R. Falcão (1) 4) Carlos Alberto (1) 5) C. Blanco 6). J. Neeskens

11) Jim Beam - 1) M. Desailly 2) M. Sammer (8) 3) G. Batistuta (12) 4) O. Ruggeri (8) 5) T. Burgnich 6) T. Häßler (62)

12) harms - 1) P. Maldini 2) R. Koeman (21) 3) G. Weah (6) D. Savicevic (1) 5) K-H. Rummenigge 6) B. Schuster (1)

13) MJJ/Swarm - 1) Romario 2) M. Amoros (67) 3) D. Deschamps (224) 4) L. Blanc (∞) 5) G. Heinze 6) A. Iniesta (216)

14) Green Smiley - 1) H. Stoichkov 2) A. Brehme (47) 3) P. Vierchowod (1) 4) R. Ferri (7) 5) E. Gerets 6) E. Francescoli (1)

15) Fred_and_Wilma_87 - 1) R. Gullit 2) R. Baggio 3. G. Popescu 4) C. Ferrara (100) 5) D. Alves
 

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I've always thought he was more of a sweeper than an LB.
I have always been made to believe otherwise. I think majority view him as a LB as well as his best position. At least that is what I felt.

I have read people call him a better sweeper and CB than fullback but they were the minority
 

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I have always been made to believe otherwise. I think majority view him as a LB as well as his best position. At least that is what I felt.

I have read people call him a better sweeper and CB than fullback but they were the minority
Based on some games & graphics I've seen, my guess is that he was a LB primarily during earlier parts of his career, while playing mostly centrally during his later years for Milan & Germany.
 

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Based on some games & graphics I've seen, my guess is that he was a LB primarily during earlier parts of his career, while playing mostly centrally during his later years for Milan & Germany.
Ah, a German, great. That is still a vague answer best position wise. What would you call his best position?
 

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Ah, a German, great. That is still a vague answer best position wise. What would you call his best position?
No idea, seen too little of him. I liked him very much as a CB/sweeper generally, but that's again only based on a few impressions.