I just overlook what people say in the matchday thread, people are always ott during the game, whether its online, in the pub or at the game.
A serious question for the matchday thread moaners
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I agree our squad is performing well under what I think they are capable of. And no one but Ole picked Darmien and Ashley Young to start so he is 100% responsible for that.
But we will just have to agree to disagree on those players I mentioned being good enough.
Pereira has 1 cap for Brazil and was not called up for the latest squad. He was a regular for Granada two years ago, this is true. And they finished dead last. But the majority of his appearances for Valencia were as a substitute and he was unable to hold down or command a starting spot. And sure, maybe a lower-level struggling Premier league side would take him as a squad member if he was cheap, based on reputation or the eternal optimism of youth, but I would bet my life he would remain a squad member at best and would not be a regular for even Crystal Palace. In no world will he start over Milivojevic or Koyate or McArthur. He just isn't good enough.
And Fred -- why do we take for gospel that City wanted to sign him? Is it possible that that was just talk from his agent to gin up interest? And even if they were interested at that time, would they be interested now? Would he even make their bench? I know it is pure conjecture, but I wouldn't take him over those Palace players I mentioned either.
So its never going to end.........oh god. The ''United Way'' really is the ''Brexit means Brexit'' of the footballing world.
I completely get why people are somewhat worried, United have only won the league when we've had two of the greatest managers of all time.
We did that season win two trophies(Ok the other was the league cup). But even then the end of this season it will have been 2 years since we've won a trophy, we've gone on longer dry spells under Fergie. Again this doesn't mean things are going great because there not.
Pochettino for example has yet to win a trophy and isn't in the race to win the league, thats not to say United shouldn't have gone for him but when tottenham were on their losing streak in December/January(I think), what would have been the reaction from the posters who are now calling for Ole to be sacked, had it been United on that losing streak with Poch.
Its at the point where it has to be some sort of fetish that these posters get off on or worse the United section of this forum at times simply similar to mental illness message board(I don't mean that awful stereotyping - ''crazy people'' way)in that your watching people sink further and further into a hole talking about how shite their football club is - '
'We don't deserve top 4''
United lose ''Well I hope Arsenal win to teach us a lesson''
Liverpool lose - ''We shouldn't laugh at them because look at how rubbish we are''
What the feck is this shite. I use this forum to avoid working and interacting with the common man, not to get depressed. These posters are making the football side of a FOOTBALL FORUM completely unbearable.
The match day threads are fine in that you've only got yourself to blame but when it spills out into the rest of the forum, it annoying.
Maybe the players aren't good enough and the manager isnt good enough?
Spot on.
1) I doubt you have the data to conflate the two types of posters.
2) We do have a very poor squad
3) Ole was a baffling choice
This wouldn't have happened under Fergie
Yeah, same boat here. It's comedy gold and not to be taken seriously. Vent and walk away. The wildly varying opinions of different people seeing the exact same events unfold is fascinating. But at the end of the match, it's all garbage and time to move on to the next one.
Matchday threads are just a mix of emotionally fuelled opinions that carry no logical weight.
In reality, the squad and manager suit nicely:
Ole is 'just above average'.
The squad is 'just above average'.
Manchester United are a 'just above average' club now. We all need to admit that this is our current level and develop a long term plan on how to become great again. And this doesn't mean sacking yet another manager if he fails to deliver Champions league at the end of next season. We need to rebuild the squad over a period of years, with clear style, philosophy and values in mind. That is something I 100% trust Ole in. Once near completion, then we go for a more tactically astute manager who can get the best out a good core group of players and add his own.
City and Pool dominance didn't begin with Pep and Klopp. The seeds were planted years ago by lesser managers, who were allowed to build a good core of players without the expectation of immediate success.
I truly believe that you can't buy immediate success through the transfer market. Instead, we need to follow a similar transfer policy of the 'just above average' clubs (Wolves, Everton, pre 2019 Ajax) but use our superior financial power to keep hold of our best players without sacrificing our ability to bring in new potential in each window.
Logically, Manchester United face a 4-5 year journey back into the top level of clubs, and Ole should be the man to take us along the first 3 years before passing a 'much better squad' onto a 'much better manager'.
In reality, the squad and manager suit nicely:
Ole is 'just above average'.
The squad is 'just above average'.
Manchester United are a 'just above average' club now. We all need to admit that this is our current level and develop a long term plan on how to become great again. And this doesn't mean sacking yet another manager if he fails to deliver Champions league at the end of next season. We need to rebuild the squad over a period of years, with clear style, philosophy and values in mind. That is something I 100% trust Ole in. Once near completion, then we go for a more tactically astute manager who can get the best out a good core group of players and add his own.
City and Pool dominance didn't begin with Pep and Klopp. The seeds were planted years ago by lesser managers, who were allowed to build a good core of players without the expectation of immediate success.
I truly believe that you can't buy immediate success through the transfer market. Instead, we need to follow a similar transfer policy of the 'just above average' clubs (Wolves, Everton, pre 2019 Ajax) but use our superior financial power to keep hold of our best players without sacrificing our ability to bring in new potential in each window.
Logically, Manchester United face a 4-5 year journey back into the top level of clubs, and Ole should be the man to take us along the first 3 years before passing a 'much better squad' onto a 'much better manager'.
Matchday thread is what separates the men from the boys. If you can't handle it then you probably haven't gone completely mad yet, which is a good thing really. Stay sane.
Matchday thread moaners moaners.
OP Band again 
Aye it's a stupid contradiction, the same as those who spent the first half of the season saying the squad was great and held back by the manager and now say the squads shit and the managers held back by the players.
People can't work on a level beyond their like or dislike for a manager, makes any discussion on here feel pretty pointless
We should be thrashing barce. All you have to do to thrash barce is not give a contract to young and say in pressers that this summer will see 12 players leave and 600m spent
Yup or player in some cases.
Pereira was linked with Arsenal, Valencia, West Ham and Everton when his contract was running out recently. Valencia wanted to sign him last season too. When he was at Valencia they were in the top 4 of the strongest league in the world. He started 12 games and made 11 apps as sub. None of this supports your idea that he’s Championship level.
Sam Lee, who is widely accepted as the most reliable journalist on City about, they use him as a mouthpiece in the press, said many times they were after Fred. Fred has 11 caps for Brazil, many won recently, is there any player in The Championship that has played for Brazil or another elite international team with such a deep squad?
Players are looking awful recently but they are not that bad. Its not enough talent to win the league but should not be embarrassed by middle table sides.
We got a fairly good squad with some quality players. Although we do lack attacking players at the very best level and could need uppgrades in certain areas.
I think the effort and desire is there in our squad, but we are not working well together as a team. I think that is why our management should be questioned. Although I think Ole probably wants to improve those areas even if he might not be as detail oriented as say a Pep in terms of how we should pass and move in unity.
I think Ole will do a decent job, but not sure he is going to take us to the very top unless we buys some top class attackers which cost a lot.
When things are not going well people blame everything though. They say poor management, poor quality/form/confidence and effort. Based on what people say after a defeat you would think we should be fighting for relegation.
I think the effort and desire is there in our squad, but we are not working well together as a team. I think that is why our management should be questioned. Although I think Ole probably wants to improve those areas even if he might not be as detail oriented as say a Pep in terms of how we should pass and move in unity.
I think Ole will do a decent job, but not sure he is going to take us to the very top unless we buys some top class attackers which cost a lot.
When things are not going well people blame everything though. They say poor management, poor quality/form/confidence and effort. Based on what people say after a defeat you would think we should be fighting for relegation.
Haha what was it this time? Any idea? The last one was a nice meltdown.OP Band again
If you don't like the matchday thread don't view or post in it. The moaning about it is getting a bit silly to me.
The match day thread is no different to shouting out "Young is shite" on your armchair or in the Stretford End. Watching live football will make you impulsive so its meant to be taken with a pitch of salt.
The match day thread is no different to shouting out "Young is shite" on your armchair or in the Stretford End. Watching live football will make you impulsive so its meant to be taken with a pitch of salt.
Match Day thread is a special case. It's live, banter-ish, moany, reactive...yes, all the qualities we who can't be there live at the game miss about watching with a crowd. If you ran a tape recorder over the crowd every few seconds as a game was on, you'd hear the same stuff. I use it to give me a sense of community with fellow fans who can't be there and likely, as me, have nobody near them who shares any of the passion or interest in how United are playing. It's definitely not the place for reasoned discourse (that's a post-match thread right?). Leave it be...it's a space for the concerned, the uptight, the alone, when it matters 
How is it possible to watch a game and comment in the matchday thread at the same time?
Half time I can understand, but during the match?
Half time I can understand, but during the match?
Are people genuinely annoyed by matchday threads?
Maybe not, but his performances certainly support that idea!
11 caps for Brazil is nothing to sneeze at. However, just looking at his fellow midfielders from the Recent Call Ups section on wiki --
Paulinho has 56 caps and plays and Guangzhou Evergrande. Renato Augusto has 33 caps and plays for Beiging Sinobo Guoan. Giuilano has 14 caps and plays for Al-Nassr.
I know nothing about those clubs and their leagues, so this is maybe my prejudices speaking, but are those two leagues that much better than the Championship?
This is pointless anyway. Maybe I am just a glass-half-empty kinda guy.
Great thread, couldn't understand all the moaning after the Barca game considering somany on here seem to have cultivated their own holy trinity of Pep, Messi and Barca.
Try it, its really not that difficult. No different to texting your mates in a group chat during the game.
The players are obviously not Championship material, but almost none of them is MUFC material. Also, when they run 8 Km less than the opposite side they are not professional players in any capacity. Solskjaer might be the right man for the job, but he needs professional players of MUFC caliber to be properly evaluated.
I have to own up over the last month or so I've argued both cases hands up. Although never in a match day thread I avoid that. I think if Mou wasnt here we would have been heavily in for Ronaldo....and I also think DeLigt most likely, only his youth went against him again with Mou in charge. This is why I want a DoF so badly. So we are not just blaming ex managers for a mixed patch work of a squad. If we let Ole choose players....he could be just the 5th manager adding to the pool of mish mash. Much rather we have a long term strategy (Say 3 Summers) with the final piece of the jigsaw to be purchased in that 3rd summer......in the hope that during those 3 years youth could add some of the pieces.
Fans that want 10 in 10 out in one summer I just don't think that shows a viable long term plan. More a panic reaction.
Apart from the atrocious spelling mistake which killed my boner.
Agree. I have no idea why we don't already have a DoF.
I try not to remember my catholic teacher, thanks. Too much ?
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RAWKs thinks all their players are world class despite some being barely 17y.o. Here, we think they are all Championship players despite having played in the World Cup.
I don't do that either.
All communication is off when I watch Utd. I don't watch games at bars as well. I used to but started to get irritated by all the disturbances. I'm weird like that when it comes to watching football.
Keep saying that myself. I don't get it. They're doing it for themselves, not to really voice anything. Why post after every action and not during a break? It simply makes no sense.
People use the match day thread to vent. Why grudge people a way to get the poison out? If you don’t like it, just don’t go into it. There’s another thread we’re people post happily during games without all this hustle and bustle. In fact that thread is pretty much a venting thread for the state of the match day thread. People always need to voice what eras them. Better out than in, and better on a forum than screaming in the streets. IMO.
Pochettino has gained enough goodwill from the Tottenham fans that a poor run can be forgiven because Spurs fans know that they will get better. It's not the case with us, it's been a free fall.
It was the Mourinho fanboys moaning about the "moaners" and now it's different set of people.
Plus when Ole came here we went on 11 unbeaten run and the PSG was one the best United nights in years. Yet some are calling for the sack
Since Ole has took over the only team who have ranked up more points are City and Liverpool.
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we were in for him, but when Shaktar wouldn't release him in the January window then our interest was over.