Never realized he's that quick. Hope he continues to have a great season and Leverkusen find some success.So far he's at 4 goals and 3 assists in 10 games (855 minutes) and many of those were as a CM. Today it was announced that he's been the fastest recorded player of the Bundesliga so far with 35 km/h.
I tell you, this guy is the real deal
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Brandt, Havertz, Bailey, Tah, Jedvaj... Quite a few quality young players coming through.
In your opinion who has the most potential?
I'd say Brandt and Havertz are quite on par talentwise. Havertz is generally considered the greater talent among the fans though, primarily because Brandt is perceived as somewhat "lazy", kind of like Özil, and Havertz has the bonus of being homegrown. I don't agree with that and think Brandt's really underrated and suffers from the extremely high expectations and our currently rather dysfunctional offense. Bailey is a little bit overrated if you ask me. He had a run of form that caused quite a hype but his technique is not on the level of Brandt and Havertz and his decision making is miles behind both. He's got the best shot and sharp crossing though.
Tah is the same calibre, just as a center back. He was incredible last season and the season before that, I've honestly never seen a CB that good at such a young age and he also improved his build up play. But this year, he somewhat lost his form for the first time and was rightly behind Süle in the NT. Generally, I'd consider him a bigger talent than Süle though. He has everything to become an IV as good as prime Boateng.
You forgot to mention Paulinho, though. We haven't seen much of him as of now but from what I see, he looks special, too. I think the way he moves, runs, dribbles and plays small one twos is very reminiscent of Robben, just right-footed. It is too early to judge, though. Maybe there is only a resemblance in style but not in quality, who knows. But he looks very promising, especially considering that he's 18 right now and even younger than Havertz.
Jedvaj is another case. I think he has the quality to be a CL centerback if he stays injury-free but in his current form, he isn't even good enough for us. I think this level is his ceiling. Retsos though looks like a greater promise in our defense. Had some amazing games for us right after joining and he is also below 20.
Tah is the same calibre, just as a center back. He was incredible last season and the season before that, I've honestly never seen a CB that good at such a young age and he also improved his build up play. But this year, he somewhat lost his form for the first time and was rightly behind Süle in the NT. Generally, I'd consider him a bigger talent than Süle though. He has everything to become an IV as good as prime Boateng.
You forgot to mention Paulinho, though. We haven't seen much of him as of now but from what I see, he looks special, too. I think the way he moves, runs, dribbles and plays small one twos is very reminiscent of Robben, just right-footed. It is too early to judge, though. Maybe there is only a resemblance in style but not in quality, who knows. But he looks very promising, especially considering that he's 18 right now and even younger than Havertz.
Jedvaj is another case. I think he has the quality to be a CL centerback if he stays injury-free but in his current form, he isn't even good enough for us. I think this level is his ceiling. Retsos though looks like a greater promise in our defense. Had some amazing games for us right after joining and he is also below 20.
How many in the Bundesliga?So far he's at 4 goals and 3 assists in 10 games (855 minutes) and many of those were as a CM. Today it was announced that he's been the fastest recorded player of the Bundesliga so far with 35 km/h.
I tell you, this guy is the real deal
Didn't they also sign highly rated Paulinho in the summer too?
Yes... Did they sell henrichs as well...
Suspect if paulinho progresses it will be natural they sell one of Brandt or bailey (has Brandt got a low buy out clause?)
Yeah Henrichs went to Monaco. Brandt signed a new contract in the summer and a higher release clause iirc
How are Wendell and Alario doing btw?
1 goal and 1 assist in 605 min in the Bundesliga. Not bad given his age but not very impressive either.
In contrast, Sancho has scored 1 and assisted 6 league goals in 215 min.
In contrast, Sancho has scored 1 and assisted 6 league goals in 215 min.
He's a CM. Sancho is a forward.
Different positions and Sancho is playing for a side that's playing some of the best attacking football in Europe at the moment. Not to mention the fact that Dortmund are in first place, while Leverkusen are in 14th. Not a very apt comparison.
Maybe Leverkusen struggle partly because Havertz doesn't perform very well in the Bundesliga? It's always easy to find excuses. His stats in the Bundelsiga aren't special, no matter whether we compare them to those of other (young) players.
No team that wants to play CL is shit because a 19 year old doesn't perform. Actually Havertz was our best player in the league (which we didn't really set on fire to say the least), too. He's also one of those players that you can't measure in scoring stats. It is great if he keeps them up (which is why I posted them) but no indication of bad performances if he doesn't. Nice to have but not the bottom line after all.
A lot of these type around, but we can't buy them all. Picking the right one is the target.
Another two goals today, the first one very lucky and the second was brillant. In general, he had a great game again. Remember the name 
15 goals, 7 assists so far this season.
Will Bayern buy him this summer or next?
Next probably. I think Völler has ruled out a sale this summer. He said that with Brandt they don't really have it in their hands because his contract is only running a bit more than a year so he is probably going to join Bayern this summer and Havertz is most likely going to follow next summer.
Unless a PL or Spanish team is willing to pay big for Havertz this summer because I think Leverkusen prefers to sell to a team outside of the Bundesliga in general. It's definitely going to be a tough time for Leverkusen since they are bound to lose Bailey, Brandt and Havertz all within most likely two seasons, maybe even in one transfer window.
Really don't want to see them at Bayern. Völler recently said that he'll try everything to prevent that they go to another German teamso there's hope.
Havertz is more likely to move this summer though.
Havertz is more likely to move this summer though.
I think Hoeneß wants a German core at Bayern again and Brandt and Havertz are certainly among the most talented German youngsters which means they will probably move heaven and earth to buy both of them.
I wouldn't mind seeing Havertz in a United jersey though.
Who is a better fit for Liverpool, Havertz or Brandt?
I'd say neither of them is a really good fit for Liverpool to be honest. Both shine in possession-oriented teams and the weakest part of their games is probably the pressing/defensive aspect. Then again, the same could be said about Götze and Gündogan and they had their best seasons under Klopp, so who knows. However, they are fundamentally different player types to the midfielders Klopp seems to prefer at Liverpool. Fabinho, Keita, Wijnaldum, Milner etc. are much more direct than them.
We look really clueless in posession 90% of the time with Henderson/Milner/Wijnaldum. We need a midfielder with a different skillset who can get on the ball and be creative. This can give us a new dimension to our offensive play as we've mostly beaten sides with the wide play of our fullbacks.
And probably an even bigger issue is our lack of goals from midfield. Think all of our midfielders combined have contributed about 5 goals. This Havertz youngster has 15? He would help massively to add another goal threat to a team massively dependant on it's front 3.
Is it me or his acceleration is worthy of Sunday league? Wand of a left foot though.
Definitely Havertz. One thing I think Liverpool central midfielder who is technically strong and can hold the ball in tight spaces. Keita, Henderson, Milner, Gini and Oxlade are all very similar midfielders in that they are the hustle and bustle type who like to play fast paced football but with little ability to control possession. While you could argue that fast paced football suits Klopp's brand, I think this season we have seen a change to a more pragmatic approach, which is why Liverpool have a better defensive record and poorer offensive compared to last season.
For that approach, a player like Havertz would be perfect. He is great at holding the ball and showing patience when in possession; his maturity is beyond his age. Coupled with that you have his ability to get into the box and score goals, overall I think he would be a much better signing for Liverpool than Brandt, who will be more of the same to what Liverpool already have in the type of central midfielder (yes, I said central, Brandt has been playing as a CAM for Bosz and has been quite fantastic in that free-roaming role alongside Havertz).
Havertz has the same agent as Gnabry, advantage Bayern. I hope it goes that direction, we have good experience with Leverkusen talent, as opposed those from BVB who all folded spectacularily (exception Gündogan).
Aye, the first post of this page from @Zehner has him recorded as the fastest player in the BL at 35km/h?
Suppose there's a big difference between top end and acceleration but can't believe his acceleration to be/look that slow?
Rumours in Leverkusen say that he may move this summer but if he does then certainly not Bayern. Völler recently also said in front of fans that he'll do everything to not sell our jewels within the league. All things considered I get the impression he will be allowed to leave if a foreign club meets our demands.
Hope he stays though. The only reason we have to sell him now is risk prevention (mainly a serious injury). We can sell him for even more in 2020 after the Euros and get another year out of him.
Should be interesting that he has played the past few games on the right in a front three.
That's primarily because we've got a shortage of wingers. Bosz turned Brandt into a CM so we are left with Bellarabi, Bailey and Paulinho (who's really talented but not ready yet). The RM spot is free due to Bellarabi being injured and since both Havertz and Brandt need to cut inside when playing on the wing, Havertz is the only option there. No coincidence the last games weren't that good, we need him in one of the CM spots.
In full flight, he looks like a prime Kaka. He looks extremely relaxed though.
Gracefully gliding across the pitch
He's one of our top tier talents right now in Germany, next to Sané and Kimmich. Brandt is also extremely talented, but too inconsistent still.
Scored another worldie yesterday. He's now at 14 goals and 4 assists as a CM. 9 of these goals and 1 assist in the 14 games under Bosz. Aged 19.
And scoring isn't even the main asect of his game. People talk about Frenkie de Jong all the time, Havertz is even better than him. Plays like a Barca midfielder and scores like Pogba on top of that.
Brandt, Havertz and Aranguiz are spectacular to watch right now.
And scoring isn't even the main asect of his game. People talk about Frenkie de Jong all the time, Havertz is even better than him. Plays like a Barca midfielder and scores like Pogba on top of that.
Brandt is very consistent since Bosz took over. 4 goals and 10 assists in 14 league games under him plus many pre-assists on top of that. He's our best player in the second half of the season, even better than Havertz and Volland.
Brandt, Havertz and Aranguiz are spectacular to watch right now.
He plays as a CM or a CAM.
The type of player we ignore signing. This kid looks better than De Bruyne was and is much younger.
I'm surprised no PL club went for him. Dude was great for Chile in the 2014 WC and 2015+2016 Copa America's.
Under Bosz as a CM (8) in either a 4-3-3 or a 3-6-1 formation. Under Herrlich he was either a CM in a two man midfield or a 10/second striker in a 4-2-3-1/4-4-2.
Yes, it still amazes me that we signed him for 13 million. I wasn't convinced of him at the beginning but he really turned it around under Herrlich and improved even further under Bosz. Could be the most underrated midfielder in the world right now. Fully convinced he would play in almost any team there is right now bar Barca, City and Madrid. Is already 30 though so it's most likely to late for him.
According to whoscored.com, he played 92 passes with an accuracy of 98% against Augsburg yesterday. He also played two key passes, one of those was a great assist for Volland's equalizer and one was a great back heel pass that set up Alario who only hit the crossbar from maybe 7 meters of distance.
His lines breaking vertical passes are awesome.