2 of the senior squad who played a lot less before he came (mainly Pereira), but McTominay has also gotten a bigger role and hes shown he trusts him). They are just about senior squad players. Still younger players/less experienced players who still needed chances.
Solskjaer target 5 signings; 6 players could leave [BBC, Telegraph, Guardian]
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Strawman alert.
10 Prem mins in total for Chong & Gomes added together.
25 Prem mins in total for Greenwood.
No-one expects any of these players to start every game or even come on every game so stop talking complete and utter nonsense.
Suits me. I’d have all these as greater priorities too. Convinced the major problems with the defence are because of a lack of protection from midfield. We don’t have any sort of holding midfielder. Matic isn’t that and never has been.
I'd only agree with this if it includes bringing Tuanzebe into the fold in place of Rojo. The guys played something like 16 games in two years and Axel is potentially top class for me, he should be given a chance.
If we keep the main squad (not the deadwood already agreed to be sold or in the last year), 5 players are a minimum. I agree with RB, 2 CMs and RW. But we need another CB IMO. We talked about Koulibaly, Varane and Alderweireld and suddenly we dont need anyone? Doesnt make sense to me. If Pogba and Lukaku leave, then they need to be replaced too.
We should go for Teilemans as one of the CM options. Had half a season to acclimate to the league and has been very good. Would work well as an 8 for me.
We cannot go into next season without a proper CB and RW, we are asking for shit if that happens.
They shouldn’t neglect the centre back signing. At least one needs to be made... Ideally Lindelof kicks on next season and we can bring his long term partner this summer. You don’t have to look too far outside of Manchester to find a team who look much better with a quality centre back acquisition.
We're also asking for shit if we go in without improvements in midfield and RB too. Could really use a left winger and maybe a striker upgrade while we're at it. That's before you even consider the players leaving. It's staggering the things we absolutely need. I'm not even comfortable saying which one we need most because we need them all in one way or another.
51 goals let in the league alone, the chuckle brothers mix and match with Lindelof another year? Aye midfield protection is the problem, jesus this place is coming out with some belters these days.
True, if DDG, Pogba, Lukaku and Herrera actually do leave we'll need an entire new side at that point
My pleasure
Sell:
Pogba: 175M (although I don't condone selling him)
Lukaku: 95M
Darmian: 15M
Rojo: 15M
Jones: 30M
(I revised Rojo and Jones down because people disagreed)
Buy:
Fernandes: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Rice: 35M
Tielemans/De Beek: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Alderweireld: 25M
Meunier: 20M
Nicolas Pepe: 30M (don't know much about him...).
From the other guy's list, evaluations seem more or less accurate except Lozano, Neves and Felix seem too high and the United players seem to low, except Mata who would leave on a free.
Pogba: 175M (although I don't condone selling him): no chance we get 175m for him... max 150
Lukaku: 95M: u must be dreaming, we over paid for him and given most likely he will go to Italy, max 50-60m
Darmian: 15M: No one was paying 10m for him Two years ago: max 10m
Rojo: 15M: don’t even want to comment, given his wages 5-8m max fees
Jones: 30M: 15-20m
Realistic prices...
Lukaku: 95M: u must be dreaming, we over paid for him and given most likely he will go to Italy, max 50-60m
Darmian: 15M: No one was paying 10m for him Two years ago: max 10m
Rojo: 15M: don’t even want to comment, given his wages 5-8m max fees
Jones: 30M: 15-20m
Realistic prices...
You are still very overestimating the departures's prices and underestimating the arrival's.My pleasure
Sell:
Pogba: 175M (although I don't condone selling him)
Lukaku: 95M
Darmian: 15M
Rojo: 15M
Jones: 30M
(I revised Rojo and Jones down because people disagreed)
Buy:
Fernandes: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Rice: 35M
Tielemans/De Beek: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Alderweireld: 25M
Meunier: 20M
Nicolas Pepe: 30M (don't know much about him...).
From the other guy's list, evaluations seem more or less accurate except Lozano, Neves and Felix seem too high and the United players seem to low, except Mata who would leave on a free.
Firstly I’d like to say I understand our main needs are a RW, CB, RB, and CM. Getting those 4 is ideal but let’s say if we only spend “big” on one of those positions (example being Sancho for RW) and relatively fair priced for the others, it might leave us money to go after Ziyech.
Ziyech is 26 years old, primarily plays RW and CAM, and he’s progressively gotten better and better every year. He has 20 goals and 21 assists in all competitions this season & a whopping 100 goal involvements (49 goals, 51 assists) in 130 games since joining Ajax in 2016/17...and he has a release clause of £25m. That’s it. In today’s market that’s pocket change and I see no excuse as to why a big club like United would even have to think twice to make such a move for what would be chump change for us.
twitter.com/tactical_times/status/1123335820096811010?s=21
twitter.com/statmandave/status/1123329903192084480?s=21
...player is quality and obviously ready to take the next step in his career by joining a bigger club. He’s prime aged and oozes talent.
People say his play is reminiscent of Ozil offensively from years past. Off the ball, he has a high motor and is relentless in covering ground. Has a knack for tackling and being hard to play against never easing up. With the ball or with the team in attack, he’s as fluid and unpredictable as anyone always making runs and cutting. Which is a lot more than our static forwards who are known to be slackers that don’t have a high enough work rate.
youtube.com/watch?v=TeHhsj16Ruc
He would be an excellent primary bench option to Pogba or Sancho or could even start along with Pogba in midfield against certain sides and take pressure off him by not letting him be the only option the team has to funnel any sort of offense through. And he’s not selfish either as his primary instinct is to distribute the ball by making key short and/or long passes versus just dribbling through opponents. Constantly looking around to play the right ball with his high IQ which engages the rest of the team as well and ups the overall team creativity by nature...I don’t see why he can’t be a Mata replacement who’s likely to leave, let alone a better option than Lingard.
Ziyech is 26 years old, primarily plays RW and CAM, and he’s progressively gotten better and better every year. He has 20 goals and 21 assists in all competitions this season & a whopping 100 goal involvements (49 goals, 51 assists) in 130 games since joining Ajax in 2016/17...and he has a release clause of £25m. That’s it. In today’s market that’s pocket change and I see no excuse as to why a big club like United would even have to think twice to make such a move for what would be chump change for us.
twitter.com/tactical_times/status/1123335820096811010?s=21
twitter.com/statmandave/status/1123329903192084480?s=21
...player is quality and obviously ready to take the next step in his career by joining a bigger club. He’s prime aged and oozes talent.
People say his play is reminiscent of Ozil offensively from years past. Off the ball, he has a high motor and is relentless in covering ground. Has a knack for tackling and being hard to play against never easing up. With the ball or with the team in attack, he’s as fluid and unpredictable as anyone always making runs and cutting. Which is a lot more than our static forwards who are known to be slackers that don’t have a high enough work rate.
youtube.com/watch?v=TeHhsj16Ruc
He would be an excellent primary bench option to Pogba or Sancho or could even start along with Pogba in midfield against certain sides and take pressure off him by not letting him be the only option the team has to funnel any sort of offense through. And he’s not selfish either as his primary instinct is to distribute the ball by making key short and/or long passes versus just dribbling through opponents. Constantly looking around to play the right ball with his high IQ which engages the rest of the team as well and ups the overall team creativity by nature...I don’t see why he can’t be a Mata replacement who’s likely to leave, let alone a better option than Lingard.
That wasn’t his point.
Two words De Ligt
Hearing no CB 
If true we can feck right off. We won't even be attempting to compete without one. ,,
If true we can feck right off. We won't even be attempting to compete without one. ,,
As someone else said, been a few of these articles over the years, sure it was only last summer talk of 8-10 definately leaving and 6 coming in....not even Fellaini left that summer.
only LVG one summer got close to the numbers needed in one window....not the right quality. only one window did Mourinho get the right quality just 2/3 players short numbers wise.
The reason we have such a huge list of possible exits isnt just the contract situations Young & JOnes are just two primary examples of players should have been sold before and both have signed new contracts, let alone the likes of Rojo and Darmian. Add that to the medicocrity we have generally signed for a few years and its no wonder we have such a huge job to do......well do it, dont talk about steps and it takes time. Even West Ham & Watford have done it the last few years. Why are we talkign about it being years to get us back where we need to be, Chelsea, Liverpool, PSG are all examples of teams have been in the same position as us and within a couple of years have got back to the top
only LVG one summer got close to the numbers needed in one window....not the right quality. only one window did Mourinho get the right quality just 2/3 players short numbers wise.
The reason we have such a huge list of possible exits isnt just the contract situations Young & JOnes are just two primary examples of players should have been sold before and both have signed new contracts, let alone the likes of Rojo and Darmian. Add that to the medicocrity we have generally signed for a few years and its no wonder we have such a huge job to do......well do it, dont talk about steps and it takes time. Even West Ham & Watford have done it the last few years. Why are we talkign about it being years to get us back where we need to be, Chelsea, Liverpool, PSG are all examples of teams have been in the same position as us and within a couple of years have got back to the top
I think one of the few silver linings of our struggles is we could be a more attractive prospect to younger players looking to get minutes and gameplay.
If we can identify promising players with good mentalities, we could build something.
If we can identify promising players with good mentalities, we could build something.
the longer woodward is in charge of transfers the further backwards our club is going to go
he is amazing imagine when he is in his prime and is also a 10-12 year player considering his age
My controversial opinion is our goalkeeper is not commanding enough.. Our defences up until him always had a loud commanding keeper behind them who kept them in check, luckily his early years this was masked with Vidic and Rio but our defence as is needs a commanding figure sorting them out.
It’s a team sport. Better CB’s would solve part of the problem as would better protection from midfield as would a better a RB and as would better form from De Gea.
If we have to prioritise this summer then personally I’d have RB ahead of CB.
I don’t think signing any of the rumoured centre backs will make that much difference in isolation. Neither would have Van Dijk. It’s about our ability to defend as a coherent system. It’s way too easy for other sides to progress down the pitch and get at our defence. Having a Carrick, or any defensive midfielder with good positioning, would make more difference.
My list would probably look like this:My pleasure
Sell:
Pogba: 175M (although I don't condone selling him)
Lukaku: 95M
Darmian: 15M
Rojo: 15M
Jones: 30M
(I revised Rojo and Jones down because people disagreed)
Buy:
Fernandes: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Rice: 35M
Tielemans/De Beek: 20M (don't know much about him so evaluation may be off)
Alderweireld: 25M
Meunier: 20M
Nicolas Pepe: 30M (don't know much about him...).
From the other guy's list, evaluations seem more or less accurate except Lozano, Neves and Felix seem too high and the United players seem to low, except Mata who would leave on a free.
In
CM; Fernandes: 35M
CD; Alderweireld: 25M (release clause)
DM; Ruben Neves: 60M (One of the best CMs this season)
CM; De Beek: 40M (Price high due to their CL run)
LW; Joao Felix: 40M (We need this boy. Price might be higher due to release clause)
RB; Wan Bissaka: 35M
RW; Ziyech: 25M (release clause)
It's probably unrealistic to buy that many players but i would go all out. These are all realistic targets for me though.
Out
Pogba: 150M
Lukaku: 70M
Darmian: 15M
Rojo: 10M
Jones: 15M
Mata: 0
Herrera: 0
Valencia: 0
No idea what I was thinking of!
One top-class CB would make a difference. He could martial the defence as Rio used to and make those around him better (which is was Van D has done at Liverpool)
Absolutely baffling (and a mistake) if we're not in for Alderweireld at £25m. I'm all for giving Axel a chance to claim a spot in the squad (though I wouldn't make him captain like FootyGirl suggests) but to pass up on a world-class, PL-proven, experienced CB like Alderweireld for utter pittance whilst weakening a rival seems mad to me.
Pleased with the rest though. RB is obviously required (AWB or Meunier please), RW likewise (welcome back to Manchester, Jadon Sancho) and two midfielders, maybe three if we lose Herrera and Pogba (plus Mata).
But most people say DDG has been that for three or four years (not saying I agree with them: Neuer was always that for me)
you aren't getting Bissaka for 35m and you definitely arent gettnig Felix for 40m.
How much you reckon?
Bissaka £50m+, Felix probably £70-80m minimum I'd say.
& Neves? how much would he cost? Should be considerably higher than Bissaka
Also aint getting DVB for 40m as well. They guy is absolute class, if Zaniolio (sp) is getting linked for crazy money, this guy is doing it on the biggest stage and will go for more.
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Solskjaer has been pretty clear that we will be buying less than six players.
"I'm realistic enough to think there will be less than six players coming in – in fact, I know there won't be six players coming in."
I think RB and RW are certainties. Another CM also seems obvious. That's already the majority of our transfer business done and only leaves two transfers at most.
A left sided CB should be a priority but I don't think it will be since the club gave Jones a new long term deal. I think Solskjaer will want one but it will depend on Woodward agreeing with the targets which didn't happen last summer.
A fifth signing would probably depend entirely on who leaves. The club will be desperate to get rid of Sanchez but will they be able to? Will Lukaku or Pogba push for a move? Too early to be sure at the moment. Interesting summer ahead anyway.
"I'm realistic enough to think there will be less than six players coming in – in fact, I know there won't be six players coming in."
I think RB and RW are certainties. Another CM also seems obvious. That's already the majority of our transfer business done and only leaves two transfers at most.
A left sided CB should be a priority but I don't think it will be since the club gave Jones a new long term deal. I think Solskjaer will want one but it will depend on Woodward agreeing with the targets which didn't happen last summer.
A fifth signing would probably depend entirely on who leaves. The club will be desperate to get rid of Sanchez but will they be able to? Will Lukaku or Pogba push for a move? Too early to be sure at the moment. Interesting summer ahead anyway.
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Jesus no CB again would be a disaster, if that is the case, Rojo going, Tuanzebe being instated as Lindelof full time partner, keep Bailly and hope he finds his first season form and use Smalling and Jones in the Europa and for emergencies only!
I think we'll have to do a couple of 'budget signings' and they will probably be defenders of higher quality than what we have already. I'll be amazed if we don't get the Centreback for a second year in a row.
Alderweireld and Meunier costing around £50million combined has to be seen as decent business IMO, especially as when factoring in the departures of say... Mata, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, and Rojo probably brings in £30m and in excess of £450k per week wages. That means we'd have a net spend of £20million, have gotten rid of the so-called 'deadwood' and players who despite wanting to be there and having good professionalism are probably asking for a bit too much money given their roles in the squad (Mata/Herrera). Alderweireld and Meunier wages would probably fall somewhere between £300-350k per week and we'd have spent peanuts.
At this point, the club would likely move one of Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, or De Gea. Maybe two at a push? I just can't see us getting rid of too many at the same time, but losing any one of those players saves a significant amount of wages and all but Sanchez would warrant a significant fee. Lukaku probably more in the £50m region but it still gives us funds towards signing a replacement and giving them the wages Lukaku had.
Once we're at this point, we could literally spend around £250m on three players, although I don't think this will be the case obviously. But it would give us the option of signing a midfielder to replace Herrera, a forward to replace Sanchez/Lukaku (I think one of them is the most likely to leave) and finally fill that Right Winger void that seems to have been vacant since the days of Nani...
Alderweireld and Meunier costing around £50million combined has to be seen as decent business IMO, especially as when factoring in the departures of say... Mata, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, and Rojo probably brings in £30m and in excess of £450k per week wages. That means we'd have a net spend of £20million, have gotten rid of the so-called 'deadwood' and players who despite wanting to be there and having good professionalism are probably asking for a bit too much money given their roles in the squad (Mata/Herrera). Alderweireld and Meunier wages would probably fall somewhere between £300-350k per week and we'd have spent peanuts.
At this point, the club would likely move one of Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, or De Gea. Maybe two at a push? I just can't see us getting rid of too many at the same time, but losing any one of those players saves a significant amount of wages and all but Sanchez would warrant a significant fee. Lukaku probably more in the £50m region but it still gives us funds towards signing a replacement and giving them the wages Lukaku had.
Once we're at this point, we could literally spend around £250m on three players, although I don't think this will be the case obviously. But it would give us the option of signing a midfielder to replace Herrera, a forward to replace Sanchez/Lukaku (I think one of them is the most likely to leave) and finally fill that Right Winger void that seems to have been vacant since the days of Nani...
You can afford to get rid of that many when we could promote Henderson, Laird, Tuanzebe, Garner, Gomes, Greenwood and Chong...add 4 big signings to that CB, CM, RW and either RB or SC (or both) and we’d be in a far healthier state
This sounds perfect, we need to ship Rojo out.