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It has EVERYTHING to do with having an amazing CEO / Director of Football / Strategy.
feck the titles if that gets in the way, it's about smart planning and implementation.
It's about laying the right groundwork and reaping the benefits.

City planned for years for Guardiola's arrival.
Yes he may be the best manager, but do you think he could have achieved what he's achieving without the planning?
Could he f*ck. He's always demanded the best and he's always got it. He's a spoiled little brat but he's annoyingly successful and begrudgingly I have to admit he'd also bloody good.

Liverpool also have an excellent structure in place. You could say that Klopp plays an even bigger part of this, but they still have excellent planning and foundations.

We are the antithesis of all that.
As someone else mentioned, we're all pulling in different directions and ultimately the thing that matters most - the football, is the least of our priorities. Which is stupid because obviously this is gonna affect business sooner or later. So the question is are the Glazers just milking us for as much as they can, by putting in the least and are then gonna sell? We'll find out soon enough with the transfers.

Football has changed. Management has changed. And we're still stuck in the stone ages.
The biggest thing from that interview was how we still have management from 4 different reigns - even Moyes'. Staggering!

And we're still paying all of them off. Soon to be followed by Sanchez.

If that doesn't scream clown to you, I don't know what does?

Here's a few more for you.

1. Hiring Van Gaal then switching to Mourinho with a completely different philosophy, so that none of the previous players work.
Losing money on all those mentioned players, as well as getting royally shafted on all other sales and purchases.

2. Giving Mourinho a new contract then denying his transfer targets (particularly defenders, which Mournho has always best at spotting) Then firing him = payout.

3. Meanwhile buying a third choice keeper, a raw talent and a Brazilian maybe (I still think Fred will come good)

4. Paying Alexis Sanchez obscene wages thus destabilizing entire squad and causing major issues with wages.

5. Talking of wages, how about paying everyone in the squad ridiculous wages even before Sanchez arrived, so you can't get rid of anyone. Half of our shit players would play for Utd for even less probably, cos they know they can't move to a better club. And yet we continually increase their wages.

6. To the point where we now can't afford to pay Herrera, who's reportedly on peanuts relatively (Young etc.)
Nor deGea, Nor Pogba.

7. Leaving half the squads contracts to run down, so that they end up negotiating them in the middle of the season, thus removing their focus (deGea) Brilliant for Ole!

8. Renewing the contracts of all the shit players who have been shit for years. Meanwhile increasing their wages again so they're even more difficult to sell.


9. Telling everyone we were going to hold a thorough search for managerial candidates then hiring Ole, before he's been fully tested (and why rock the boat when its doing so well?) I can think of reasons but none are that good, unless he genuinely had no other option) Why put him on a 3 year contract though?


10. A search for a Director of Football that is 10 months and counting.


11. Telling everyone we have pots of money and can buy anyone - naturally then being shafted on transfer fees.



Man I could go on and on.

Fact is Woodward is an absolute clown and Ole is absolutely shafted.

Yes, he may not be up to it. Only time will tell. But he will be operating in the worst conditions imaginable (the leaking roof is the least of his worries, but an excellent metaphor)

Shambles!!!
Exactly!! Another good example is Levy/Spurs look at the what he has done for them since he came in. If people think a new CEO/DOF wouldn't change our current situation they're idiots I'm sorry.
 

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In the past 5 years it's been Madrid not spending money and playing youth whilst Barca have only been outspeny by City and haven't been bringing through youth. Sergi Roberto is the only one with Alena getting cameos this season and they are 2 of 5 Spaniards in the whole squad.

Barcelona still have the same philosphy at their club, it might just be a generational thing where the talent wasn't there so they've been buying players for that reason but the shift in Madrid's philosophy is clear to me and what they're doing looks more like what United were doing under Sir Alex.
I swear half of this guys just talk and don’t actually watch what’s going on. I’m still trying to figure out these shirt sale signings we keep making.
 

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It has EVERYTHING to do with having an amazing CEO / Director of Football / Strategy.
feck the titles if that gets in the way, it's about smart planning and implementation.
It's about laying the right groundwork and reaping the benefits.

City planned for years for Guardiola's arrival.
Yes he may be the best manager, but do you think he could have achieved what he's achieving without the planning?
Could he f*ck. He's always demanded the best and he's always got it. He's a spoiled little brat but he's annoyingly successful and begrudgingly I have to admit he'd also bloody good.

Liverpool also have an excellent structure in place. You could say that Klopp plays an even bigger part of this, but they still have excellent planning and foundations.

We are the antithesis of all that.
As someone else mentioned, we're all pulling in different directions and ultimately the thing that matters most - the football, is the least of our priorities. Which is stupid because obviously this is gonna affect business sooner or later. So the question is are the Glazers just milking us for as much as they can, by putting in the least and are then gonna sell? We'll find out soon enough with the transfers.

Football has changed. Management has changed. And we're still stuck in the stone ages.
The biggest thing from that interview was how we still have management from 4 different reigns - even Moyes'. Staggering!

And we're still paying all of them off. Soon to be followed by Sanchez.

If that doesn't scream clown to you, I don't know what does?

Here's a few more for you.

1. Hiring Van Gaal then switching to Mourinho with a completely different philosophy, so that none of the previous players work.
Losing money on all those mentioned players, as well as getting royally shafted on all other sales and purchases.

2. Giving Mourinho a new contract then denying his transfer targets (particularly defenders, which Mournho has always best at spotting) Then firing him = payout.

3. Meanwhile buying a third choice keeper, a raw talent and a Brazilian maybe (I still think Fred will come good)

4. Paying Alexis Sanchez obscene wages thus destabilizing entire squad and causing major issues with wages.

5. Talking of wages, how about paying everyone in the squad ridiculous wages even before Sanchez arrived, so you can't get rid of anyone. Half of our shit players would play for Utd for even less probably, cos they know they can't move to a better club. And yet we continually increase their wages.

6. To the point where we now can't afford to pay Herrera, who's reportedly on peanuts relatively (Young etc.)
Nor deGea, Nor Pogba.

7. Leaving half the squads contracts to run down, so that they end up negotiating them in the middle of the season, thus removing their focus (deGea) Brilliant for Ole!

8. Renewing the contracts of all the shit players who have been shit for years. Meanwhile increasing their wages again so they're even more difficult to sell.


9. Telling everyone we were going to hold a thorough search for managerial candidates then hiring Ole, before he's been fully tested (and why rock the boat when its doing so well?) I can think of reasons but none are that good, unless he genuinely had no other option) Why put him on a 3 year contract though?


10. A search for a Director of Football that is 10 months and counting.


11. Telling everyone we have pots of money and can buy anyone - naturally then being shafted on transfer fees.



Man I could go on and on.

Fact is Woodward is an absolute clown and Ole is absolutely shafted.

Yes, he may not be up to it. Only time will tell. But he will be operating in the worst conditions imaginable (the leaking roof is the least of his worries, but an excellent metaphor)

Shambles!!!
I’m not saying they are not to blame but the real reason they are failing is because they keep listen to us fans and pundits who are proven time after time after time! We don’t know sh!t like your post clearly puts out. With the majority of the boards decisions being backed 100 percent by the fans and I mean ‘100’ percent.

Moyes gets a long contract because of the ‘United way’ the board then get blamed for sacking him too early. Like REALLY???

We’re moaning now about structure philosophy and all that crap. I.e. look at City. So our dumb board hire the guy who helped rebuild Barca brought through young players who you can google if you like. Was that a bad idea? It’s what we are calling for right now isn’t it. A rebuild for a manager who has had successfully youth rebuilds? Next question did LVG not deserved to get sacked? I’ll let you think about it.

The next choice was like oh crap City are getting arguable the best manager in the world. So what do our board do.. get arguably the other best manager in the world. Even give him what he always needs money. Now was that a bad decision to sack him? As far as I’m concerned Mourinho went Mourinho and if Pep didn’t exist we would have been league champions playing Mourinho football.

I’ll repeat the board are fcking this up but if you think if we actually got lucky and got Pep or Klopp (because we was after them) or even Mourinho after Fergie left that this bullshit would have not happened your naive.
 

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I think you picked the wrong example. Barcelona and Real are complete opposites. Real are closer to the Woodward model of Galacticos and shirt sales. Except that unlike Woodward, Madrid are ruthless and never tolerate mediocrity. Even if they aren't always successful, they at least give it their best shot. When someone doesn't perform they axe them. Can you imagine the likes of Young, Jones and Smalling lasting at Madrid? The idea is laughable. They're constantly seeking excellence.

Barca on the other hand are the model of football. They happen to earn the most simply because they're the most successful. But their philosophy is always about the football. I don't know the ins and outs of their business but their football model seems pretty flawless and well run. Hence the reason City have basically copied it. La Masia basically preaches the same football philosophy at every layer of the club. They buy, train and manage to one philosophy. They are the antithesis of Woodward.

We are Madrid Lite.

Liverpool and City follow the Barcelona model and are currently beating it. Their playing styles may be different but they're following their strategy of football perfectly and reaping the dividends.

The kind of dividends we care about, not the ones Ed does!
I don’t see any evidence of the Barca model being successful in the 90’s or late 00’s. I’ll repeat I witnessed Christanbal, Xavi, Pauyol, Kliuvert, Thiago Motta and a lot of others play the worse football ever seen by a top club. Currently right now whilst they are winning titles and rightly so, I’m witnessing a poor rebuild protected by Messi and zero promotion of youth. So can you explain to me what is going on there?
 

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Gotta say I agree with Gary's rant. The club needs a full reset. At the moment the squad is an unbalanced mish mash product of 3 failed managerial appointments. A reboot in strategy is needed to rebuild a squad fit to represent United. And to then run the club properly to stop the rot repeating.
 

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United shouldn't copy Barcelona, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid. We need to put in place a structure which works for our club.

It's like the way England copied France after World Cup '98 by building St Georges Park. Then we wanted to copy Spain and then Germany. Finally, Southgate is doing things his own way and has had results (aided by some quality players coming through).

Ole may not be successful but he should be the first in a series of managers over the next 5-10 years who have a largely similar playing style. We cannot keep swerving to whichever style or big name is available.
 

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Neville was right in almost everything he said. But he didn’t mention the Glazers and that makes me wonder why.
 

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He's 100% right in what he said, the clubs rotten to the core and needs sorting out from top to borrom. Nothing will change unless major changes happen.
 

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He was one of Europes hottest properties when Jose took over. He then shoved him left wing, right wing and basically anywhere but up front. Went on a 30 game goalless streak under Jose.

He ran Zlatan into the ground to the point of what would be a career ending injury for most other athletes, then repeated this with Lukaku last season.

Basically ignoring both Rashford and Martial's development in the process. Not surprised both are suffering this season after 2 years of working with the worlds worst coach at developing youth.



Many of those results flattered us, perfect example being Swansea whom we beat 4-0 with 3 late goals if memory serves right. They hit the woodwork twice and had the ball cleared off the line.

Similarly, Everton at home. 3 goals in the final 8 or so mins.

I'll add as well, most of the sides we beat by 3 or 4 goals sacked their managers around that time as well. They were teams in a mess and it was more a case of them being woeful than us actually being brilliant.



Honestly, I'm not sure how he'll turn out. Could turn into a very good forward yet still. Not sure he'll hit 20 plus every season, but could manage it a few times alright say over the next 8 years if he were to stay that long.



Lukaku was not a good buy, jesus come on! He has the worst touch in the league bar none! It's criminal, he should be arrested for molestation its that bad. Zlatan scored more goals than Lukaku in fewer games, at nearly a decade older! Lukaku for 75m has been a disaster, there is no other word for it.

Matic - a half decent season, vanished for winter like a hedgehog and came back out with a rocket against Palace. Since then he's died on his arse most games and turns slower than the titanic and now has to be replaced again already.

Sanchez - An absolute disaster! I really hoped it would work out but the worst signing in premier league history.

Leaving Lindelof as the only worth while purchase.

Mikha was his own investment and failed, not suited for the league. Zlatan done very well for us but he was only a pit stop signing, there was no upside to be had, it patched over things.

Adnan and Rooney, no issue with either going.

From memory re Darmian, Jose tried to get rid a few times but clubs in Italy would only agree to a loan or a ridiculously low fee, Blind I agree was a big mistake.



No, I'm saying there is a bit of giving and taking in these situations. As it has always been at United. Ferguson didn't every every player his heart desired, nor will Ole. No manager does.

Finances will be discussed, possible transfers and likelihood of them signing and addressing key areas as best as possible. It's a balancing act.

Jose fought to keep Darmian and Fellaini anyway, he was public with both. There are quotes from Darmian's agent saying he's wanted to return home now for 2 years. Woodward didn't stop Jose selling Blind, but then he goes and complains about lack of CB options? It's crazy like!

I don't believe Woodward stopped him selling anyone, I mean the very same Woodward took no issue with selling Nani (right after being given a 5 year deal from Moyes), RVP, Rafael, Hernandez, Di Maria a year after setting a transfer record etc etc...

Why suddenly did the narrative change from it being LVG being a clueless cnut and selling our best players....to it then being Jose is being blocked by Woody?

There's a very strong narrative within our fan base of people peddling their own agendas and folks jumping bandwagons.

In reality, all anyone has to do is look at the evidence before us. It tells a very different story. LVG cut heads no problem and folks lost their minds over it. Jose done sweet fa and suddenly Jose was being stopped by the big bad wolf Woody?! REALLY?



I don't think the issue was wanting a CB, more so his choice of CB.

The strong rumors was Toby Alderwerield for approx £60m, when a year later (now) he's only £25M. Why bother paying £60m for a 29 year old? There's no longevity, no upside in reality.

Maguire, for me he is distinctly one side and marginally better defensively than what we got already and again for the prices being quoted after the WC? I wasn't over eager myself to be throwing money at the foxes.

I think I have answered your insane amount of questions, rants, points, queries, whatever you want to call them.

I'm very calm mate, enjoy the evening! :)

Forum is all about opinions as you say, I'm not going to lose sleep over it... I might though if Barca don't score here!!:O
Mate not gonna lie, after last night, I don't have the energy to go through all that haha

Lets just hope, for both our sakes, we get our club back next season because I am sick and tired of feeling like I support a business rather than a club, look at the connection of the fans and Liverpool last night, we feel sooooooooo far away from that right now.
 

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It has EVERYTHING to do with having an amazing CEO / Director of Football / Strategy.
feck the titles if that gets in the way, it's about smart planning and implementation.
It's about laying the right groundwork and reaping the benefits.

City planned for years for Guardiola's arrival.
Yes he may be the best manager, but do you think he could have achieved what he's achieving without the planning?
Could he f*ck. He's always demanded the best and he's always got it. He's a spoiled little brat but he's annoyingly successful and begrudgingly I have to admit he'd also bloody good.

Liverpool also have an excellent structure in place. You could say that Klopp plays an even bigger part of this, but they still have excellent planning and foundations.

We are the antithesis of all that.
As someone else mentioned, we're all pulling in different directions and ultimately the thing that matters most - the football, is the least of our priorities. Which is stupid because obviously this is gonna affect business sooner or later. So the question is are the Glazers just milking us for as much as they can, by putting in the least and are then gonna sell? We'll find out soon enough with the transfers.

Football has changed. Management has changed. And we're still stuck in the stone ages.
The biggest thing from that interview was how we still have management from 4 different reigns - even Moyes'. Staggering!

And we're still paying all of them off. Soon to be followed by Sanchez.

If that doesn't scream clown to you, I don't know what does?

Here's a few more for you.

1. Hiring Van Gaal then switching to Mourinho with a completely different philosophy, so that none of the previous players work.
Losing money on all those mentioned players, as well as getting royally shafted on all other sales and purchases.

2. Giving Mourinho a new contract then denying his transfer targets (particularly defenders, which Mournho has always best at spotting) Then firing him = payout.

3. Meanwhile buying a third choice keeper, a raw talent and a Brazilian maybe (I still think Fred will come good)

4. Paying Alexis Sanchez obscene wages thus destabilizing entire squad and causing major issues with wages.

5. Talking of wages, how about paying everyone in the squad ridiculous wages even before Sanchez arrived, so you can't get rid of anyone. Half of our shit players would play for Utd for even less probably, cos they know they can't move to a better club. And yet we continually increase their wages.

6. To the point where we now can't afford to pay Herrera, who's reportedly on peanuts relatively (Young etc.)
Nor deGea, Nor Pogba.

7. Leaving half the squads contracts to run down, so that they end up negotiating them in the middle of the season, thus removing their focus (deGea) Brilliant for Ole!

8. Renewing the contracts of all the shit players who have been shit for years. Meanwhile increasing their wages again so they're even more difficult to sell.


9. Telling everyone we were going to hold a thorough search for managerial candidates then hiring Ole, before he's been fully tested (and why rock the boat when its doing so well?) I can think of reasons but none are that good, unless he genuinely had no other option) Why put him on a 3 year contract though?


10. A search for a Director of Football that is 10 months and counting.


11. Telling everyone we have pots of money and can buy anyone - naturally then being shafted on transfer fees.



Man I could go on and on.

Fact is Woodward is an absolute clown and Ole is absolutely shafted.

Yes, he may not be up to it. Only time will tell. But he will be operating in the worst conditions imaginable (the leaking roof is the least of his worries, but an excellent metaphor)

Shambles!!!
Of course he can F*ck. He's a man.
 

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It has EVERYTHING to do with having an amazing CEO / Director of Football / Strategy.
feck the titles if that gets in the way, it's about smart planning and implementation.
It's about laying the right groundwork and reaping the benefits.

City planned for years for Guardiola's arrival.
Yes he may be the best manager, but do you think he could have achieved what he's achieving without the planning?
Could he f*ck. He's always demanded the best and he's always got it. He's a spoiled little brat but he's annoyingly successful and begrudgingly I have to admit he'd also bloody good.

Liverpool also have an excellent structure in place. You could say that Klopp plays an even bigger part of this, but they still have excellent planning and foundations.

We are the antithesis of all that.
As someone else mentioned, we're all pulling in different directions and ultimately the thing that matters most - the football, is the least of our priorities. Which is stupid because obviously this is gonna affect business sooner or later. So the question is are the Glazers just milking us for as much as they can, by putting in the least and are then gonna sell? We'll find out soon enough with the transfers.

Football has changed. Management has changed. And we're still stuck in the stone ages.
The biggest thing from that interview was how we still have management from 4 different reigns - even Moyes'. Staggering!

And we're still paying all of them off. Soon to be followed by Sanchez.

If that doesn't scream clown to you, I don't know what does?

Here's a few more for you.

1. Hiring Van Gaal then switching to Mourinho with a completely different philosophy, so that none of the previous players work.
Losing money on all those mentioned players, as well as getting royally shafted on all other sales and purchases.

2. Giving Mourinho a new contract then denying his transfer targets (particularly defenders, which Mournho has always best at spotting) Then firing him = payout.

3. Meanwhile buying a third choice keeper, a raw talent and a Brazilian maybe (I still think Fred will come good)

4. Paying Alexis Sanchez obscene wages thus destabilizing entire squad and causing major issues with wages.

5. Talking of wages, how about paying everyone in the squad ridiculous wages even before Sanchez arrived, so you can't get rid of anyone. Half of our shit players would play for Utd for even less probably, cos they know they can't move to a better club. And yet we continually increase their wages.

6. To the point where we now can't afford to pay Herrera, who's reportedly on peanuts relatively (Young etc.)
Nor deGea, Nor Pogba.

7. Leaving half the squads contracts to run down, so that they end up negotiating them in the middle of the season, thus removing their focus (deGea) Brilliant for Ole!

8. Renewing the contracts of all the shit players who have been shit for years. Meanwhile increasing their wages again so they're even more difficult to sell.


9. Telling everyone we were going to hold a thorough search for managerial candidates then hiring Ole, before he's been fully tested (and why rock the boat when its doing so well?) I can think of reasons but none are that good, unless he genuinely had no other option) Why put him on a 3 year contract though?


10. A search for a Director of Football that is 10 months and counting.


11. Telling everyone we have pots of money and can buy anyone - naturally then being shafted on transfer fees.



Man I could go on and on.

Fact is Woodward is an absolute clown and Ole is absolutely shafted.

Yes, he may not be up to it. Only time will tell. But he will be operating in the worst conditions imaginable (the leaking roof is the least of his worries, but an excellent metaphor)

Shambles!!!
Sanchez was wanted by Mourinho. He wouldn't have moved here if we didn't pay those obscene wages, don't know what Woodward is supposed to do here.
 

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The funny thing is the more I consider it, it’s really not that hard to have United back in the top four or top three next season - even with only a few key signings in the summer. If they played like did under Oles first lot of games, they wouldn’t be winning anything but they’d certainly not be causing us misery like they are now.

The real issue is the constant back and forth we see year on year (some progress, then complete collapse again the next). That’s where the structure needs to be better beyond whoever the manager is.

We need someone to direct transfers and the future of the squad alongside the manager (a DoF) or whoever. We need to kick out the bad apples with attitude problems (or confidence/mentality issues) and get this squad looking like athletes again.

We need some fecking stability right now.
 

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Except he's not. He's not looking at the past, he's looking only at the present and future, and how we're getting left behind by City and Liverpool due to the way we're being run. And I agree with pretty much every word.
Nah, the whole lot of them think the solution is to buy up a whole bunch of players who love the club. None of the players Pep or Klopp bought likely had any affection at all for those clubs. But they trust their managers are working hard for them so they return the favor. Once Klopp started delivering the wins and the supporters felt a connection, all the love of the club stuff comes up. Wouldn't even be mentioned if Klopp wasn't delivering the goods though.

We need a world class manager that the players know will improve them and bring out the very best in them. Then they will run through walls for him. And then the fans will love them and so on and so forth.
 

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Spot on from Gary Neville.

I've said it before. What we're suffering now is the same as what Tottenham and City went through with their mercenaries. In both cases, the manager was backed and they challenged for the title eventually.

In our case, Woodward sabotaged the manager so that he could get rid of him after offering him a new contract and had no idea what to do next.
 

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Oh your one of those fans. So who's fault is it? Woodward :eek:.

In 3 years i've seen Liverpool and City perfect a rebuild meanwhile the chosen one buys Bailly, Lindelof, Mhkitaryan, Zlatan, Pogba, Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku, Dalot, Fred and yet only Pogba and Lindelof are worth keeping.

So yes it was bloody Mourinho's fault and after naming 10 outfield players... his bloody players.

Except that 8 out of the players you listed weren't his first choice. He submitted a list of priority players and Woodward gets the cheaper options. When has Jose ever had to rely on rookies in his central defence to mount a meaningful title challenge. Just look at the precedent and try to get a perspective of what went wrong at United.

Even with the dirt poor players Woodward kept signing for him, he managed to finish 2nd against all odds. That was the point the board should have backed him fully to bridge the gap between United and Man City - especially when he was handed a new contract. Lo and behold, Woodward was able to do press briefings that Jose shouldn't moan about not getting new players. He was told to coach the one he's got because that is what good managers do.


I am patiently waiting for Solskjaer to coach Jones into becoming Maldini and perhaps Smalling will become Baresi.
 

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Except he's not. He's not looking at the past, he's looking only at the present and future, and how we're getting left behind by City and Liverpool due to the way we're being run. And I agree with pretty much every word.
Notice how Carragher asks him a simple question about Mourinho wanting Sanchez, and Neville chooses to ignore it, because it tears his whole argument down.
Simply immense,

First point keep only players who wanna stay and care... so get rid of:

De gea
Pogba
Martial
Sanchez
Lukaku
And keep Ashley Young, Lingard, Phil Jones, and Rojo, because they care? And make Rashford our primary striker because he is mancunian and he also cares?

Good thing that idiot Neville is NOT in charge of our club. He has too much influence over Ole through his media network as it is.
 

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Except that 8 out of the players you listed weren't his first choice. He submitted a list of priority players and Woodward gets the cheaper options. When has Jose ever had to rely on rookies in his central defence to mount a meaningful title challenge. Just look at the precedent and try to get a perspective of what went wrong at United.

Even with the dirt poor players Woodward kept signing for him, he managed to finish 2nd against all odds. That was the point the board should have backed him fully to bridge the gap between United and Man City - especially when he was handed a new contract. Lo and behold, Woodward was able to do press briefings that Jose shouldn't moan about not getting new players. He was told to coach the one he's got because that is what good managers do.


I am patiently waiting for Solskjaer to coach Jones into becoming Maldini and perhaps Smalling will become Baresi.
I’ve heard it all now. So Liverpool can buy Robertson from Hull but our £30m defenders were dirt poor, not first choice and what cheap? What else was £30m getting you?
 

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They're not at United.

They're no more a a part of the rot than internet fans like you.
Not the same because they do make a lot of noise and can make things very difficult for the manager, so they end up getting some access and influence over the manager.
 

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I have not seen this yet but I bet he doesn't call out the English players. Neville might be generally right but he suffers from some of the same bullshit biases Ole does.
 

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I have not seen this yet but I bet he doesn't call out the English players. Neville might be generally right but he suffers from some of the same bullshit biases Ole does.
Do you see your hypocrisy?

Accusing others of bias whilst simultaneously expressing your own biases with an admission that you don't need to see any evidence to believe them.
 

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Do you see your hypocrisy?

Accusing others of bias whilst simultaneously expressing your own biases with an admission that you don't need to see any evidence to believe them.
I wouldn't be so quick to call someone a hypocrite. I've gone through the clip now and he's very general in terms of his criticism and he doesn't actually focus on the players. I also explicitly stated my bias while Neville tries to portray himself as a cold-hearted logic man and he's clearly proven with his past comments that he's nowhere near that.

What he does say, which is related to my point before I even saw it, is that some players do not want to be here, and that's clearly a swipe at the Pogbas and Martials, which is in the same vein as things he's said in the past. As if the clowns like Young and Jones who are winning the lottery day-in, day-out being part of this club shouldn't be thrown out yesterday.

Basically, all I'm saying is that Neville is as much part of the problem as the solution.

Frankly, I don't really care much for watching MUFC Ltd at the moment because of more important things in life but I can't see how my passion's going to return when we seem intent on repeating the same mistakes of the past (the club, mostly but also fans who refuse to voice their displeasure in an overt way).
 

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I wouldn't be so quick to call someone a hypocrite. I've gone through the clip now and he's very general in terms of his criticism and he doesn't actually focus on the players. I also explicitly stated my bias while Neville tries to portray himself as a cold-hearted logic man and he's clearly proven with his past comments that he's nowhere near that.

What he does say, which is related to my point before I even saw it, is that some players do not want to be here, and that's clearly a swipe at the Pogbas and Martials, which is in the same vein as things he's said in the past. As if the clowns like Young and Jones who are winning the lottery day-in, day-out being part of this club shouldn't be thrown out yesterday.

Basically, all I'm saying is that Neville is as much part of the problem as the solution.

Frankly, I don't really care much for watching MUFC Ltd at the moment because of more important things in life but I can't see how my passion's going to return when we seem intent on repeating the same mistakes of the past (the club, mostly but also fans who refuse to voice their displeasure in an overt way).

Gary has a blindspot when it comes to the England players that's for sure. Other than that I think he's pretty balanced. And he doesn't exactly proclaim Ashley Young as the best right back in world football. He praises him for practically playing every position in the team, while simultaneously questioning the club as to why they've let this happen. He also regularly criticises our defense (and therefore Jones and Smalling). The only ones he's less keen on chastising are the players he managed - Rashford and Lingard. And Rashford may be playing like shite right now, but it's pretty clear he's been injured since the PSG / Liverpool game, so he's not entirely to blame on that.

I think you'd be right to criticize Scholes and Keane. Their opinion seems to be much more basic and old school to me. Mainly just about players giving an effort and fecking off social media. Neville on the other hand makes great comments about the entire structure of the club and management. And those views are based on the future not the past. I think Neville gets a bad rap and shouldn't be bracketed with the rest of Class of 92.
 

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I swear half of this guys just talk and don’t actually watch what’s going on. I’m still trying to figure out these shirt sale signings we keep making.
The real problem is that Ed has tried really really hard to make them but normally comes up short - there are lots of big names that you've tried to get and failed...

Bale, Kroos, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Hummels, Ramos to mention just a few. LvG and Moyes have confirmed that you tried to buy all of these.

Then there were the ones you did get but they failed....

Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Di Maria

The there are the ones that the jury is still out on

Pogba and Lukaku

Then finally the one that worked OK - Ibra

Not sure why you don't see the issue here it's staring you right in the face, from where I sit Ed Woodward's role in your club has been fecking disastrous from pretty much day 1
 

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The real problem is that Ed has tried really really hard to make them but normally comes up short - there are lots of big names that you've tried to get and failed...

Bale, Kroos, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Hummels, Ramos to mention just a few. LvG and Moyes have confirmed that you tried to buy all of these.

Then there were the ones you did get but they failed....

Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Di Maria

The there are the ones that the jury is still out on

Pogba and Lukaku

Then finally the one that worked OK - Ibra

Not sure why you don't see the issue here it's staring you right in the face, from where I sit Ed Woodward's role in your club has been fecking disastrous from pretty much day 1
Good points but answer me this. Is Ed Woodward the only guy to fail at transfers? Did David Gill not fail at transfers.. if we took Fergie away we would have been crap for years because after selling Ronaldo and whilst having Ronaldo. We failed to land Aguero, David Silva, then onto Hazard, Lucus Moura, Sami Nasri, Hummels who you’ve mentioned already. Like this happens in football. I have no problem blaming the board we just blame them for the wrong thing and scratch our heads to why we don’t know what’s went wrong.
 

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Simply immense,

First point keep only players who wanna stay and care... so get rid of:

De gea
Pogba
Martial
Sanchez
Lukaku
So you'd keep the well below United quality players just because they care? feck it, let's buy Billy Sharp or Jansson then
 

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He lost me when he said we've appointed best in class coaches. Jose was not a 'best in class' coach in 2016. Neither was Van Gaal in 2014. It's pure fan fiction from Neville to dispel any blame from the managers failing.

He will never ever criticize the managers.
 

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Gary has a blindspot when it comes to the England players that's for sure. Other than that I think he's pretty balanced. And he doesn't exactly proclaim Ashley Young as the best right back in world football. He praises him for practically playing every position in the team, while simultaneously questioning the club as to why they've let this happen. He also regularly criticises our defense (and therefore Jones and Smalling). The only ones he's less keen on chastising are the players he managed - Rashford and Lingard. And Rashford may be playing like shite right now, but it's pretty clear he's been injured since the PSG / Liverpool game, so he's not entirely to blame on that.

I think you'd be right to criticize Scholes and Keane. Their opinion seems to be much more basic and old school to me. Mainly just about players giving an effort and fecking off social media. Neville on the other hand makes great comments about the entire structure of the club and management. And those views are based on the future not the past. I think Neville gets a bad rap and shouldn't be bracketed with the rest of Class of 92.
Yeah, completely correct. However, we now have a manager who lives in the past. If you have to resort to showing videos of the 1999 treble year, like Solskjaer has done as his motivational toll, then you are in trouble, and I see no chance of us evolving!
The Utd way will hold us back.
 

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He lost me when he said we've appointed best in class coaches. Jose was not a 'best in class' coach in 2016. Neither was Van Gaal in 2014. It's pure fan fiction from Neville to dispel any blame from the managers failing.

He will never ever criticize the managers.
Neville makes few good points, gets over dramatic and spouts lot of nonsense, which gets mixed with his good opinions and people barely notice.
 

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I’ve heard it all now. So Liverpool can buy Robertson from Hull but our £30m defenders were dirt poor, not first choice and what cheap? What else was £30m getting you?
With 30m£? Umtiti, Hummels, Sule, Lenglet, Skriniar and others.