Yannick Carrasco has to be worth a shout. Made a mistake going to China that he regrets and is everything we need- a 2 footed winger with a great shot on him
Paulo Dybala
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This is the type of transfer the Cafe experts will deem "not good enough/not what we need", then Liverpool/Chelsea buy him while being undervalued. He turns out to be the great little player we've all seen and lights up the league, while we continue to play shit like Lingard.
He does work pretty hard - in the Champions League this season, the only forwards who have averaged greater distance per 90 than him are Firmino, Tadic, Muller and Kramaric. He did come off the bench in 3 of his 9 appearances, but still, I certainly wouldn't describe him as a lazy player (eg he's run 14km further than Martial this season in the CL, despite only having played 12 minutes more).
I'd be delighted if we got him. He's quality and on the young side of his prime years.
Seriously can't believe that people don't want this guy. Absolute class player. Okay, has maybe dipped slightly in the last season but in today's market 100m euros is a snip.
Exactly so.
For 100m euros he's not. That's likely to be more then half our transfer budget this summer. He's a good technical player but he's not up there with the best, there's a reason he goes missing in the big CL matches and has been benched for a lot of Juve's matches this season.
For £50m, happily, but £80m? Big risk.
Is this for real or just paper talk because if Juve are willing to sell, we should be interested.
Seriously doubt we'll spend less than £170m this summer. We were pretty reserved last summer, so I see us going big.
If we can sort the rest of our team out then we can utilise Dybala's strengths. But if we are going into next season with the same mentality and almost identical squad then this will be money down the drain.
I think it's fair to say that most people are cynical about every potential signing player just now, we just seem to have a great knack of making any player we sign look bad very quickly recently, 'Galactico' types especially, so I remain to be convinced that Dybala would be any different.
Or he's the type of player who fits other sides better than he would do us. If we buy Dybala he'd automatically become the focus of our attack, the one all hopes will rest on, can he handle that? Remains to be seen. If he were to go to a Liverpool though is he suddenly going to take over the main man mental from Salah or Mane? Doubtful, he'd be more of a compliment to those players and thus a lot less pressure
He's a luxury player rather than one to build your team around and we need players we can build around
Why do people keep calling him a luxury player ?
Is it a luxury to have one quality striker ?
Are goals luxuries ?
Bah !
Is it a luxury to have one quality striker ?
Are goals luxuries ?
Bah !
50m is the sort of money being mentioned for Declan Rice. If that's the case then 80m for Dybala is good value. Honestly I think he will ultimately be signed only if Pogba goes. He'll be the replacement jewel in our crown and the money we'll get for Pogba will more than pay for him. If we can get him along with some solid, quality and energetic players around him he'll be a hit.
He has 5 league goals this season...
Anyway I'd say a luxury player can be described as a signing who doesnt have a spot in your team or isn't a necessity. We have 5 starting 11 positions that we all agree on as being woeful. Other 6 aren't perfect but better. Only makes sense to put all our efforts into the spots that need fixing, and hope that the decent options you have can improve with better support, rather then leaving shit in your team because you improved your good positions.
Redcafe seems to be convinced that Joao Felix is better than Dybala.
£50m is overpriced though for a player like Declan Rice. If we signed Declan Rice and Dybala for around £130m combined, that's most of our budget for the summer gone and our team not really improved at all. We have similar players to both of those already.
Hopefully, but £80m / 100m euros on Dybala would be about half of that, which would leave space for around 2 £50m players. Just think we can get better value elsewhere, e.g. Sancho for around £80-£100m.
I wouldn't mind having Dybala, but if he's surplass to requirements Juve should be offering him at a cheaper price, e.g. the way Moura was sold by PSG for £25m (and who I think at this point is a better player for us considering he can play out wide).
He’s played a lot longer than one year though, unless we are saying he’s finished at 25.
The reasons he’s had a piss poor season and is thus even available in the first place have been discussed ad nauseum in this thread.
I hope we sign him just to look back at this thread and laugh at the host of posters who turned their nose up at a world class striker while we have no quality options upfront.
I hope we sign him just to look back at this thread and laugh at the host of posters who turned their nose up at a world class striker while we have no quality options upfront.
Can't say I've seen much of Joao Felix but given he's a #10/striker type I'm pretty sure, again, doesnt fit. There are 5 positions I want strengthened, anyone else I'm going to complain about tbh:
- Center back (must be able to build up but also preferably top player)
- Right back
- Defensive/holding midfielder (quality technical player to control)
- All around midfielder (again, quality on the ball to dictate games)
- Right winger
Don’t know who will be leaving, but we also need a striker or someone we can confidently rely on for goals. We go into the last day of the season with a fecking +13 GD which infuriates me!
Yeah, I reckon we'll be able to get him for a relatively good price seeing as Juve want to sell. I wouldn't think that this would stop a Sancho deal to be honest. Assuming Lukaku, Herrera, Mata and Sanchez leave, we'll have a lot of spare money (especially because of wages). We could easily bring him in and then still go for the other targets. 6 players in doesn't seem too unrealistic.
Think Ole plans on keeping Rashford up there. Greenwood is a huge talent and will surely get a bigger role. Last chance season for Martial. Lukaku for now is still here so I think we'll just keep that as is. If we buy someone, Rashford gets shunted back to the wing but a more permanent move to the wing too (Ole won't do that, not yet at least IMO). Unless he plans on going 2 up top permanently and using the diamond long term, I just doubt that personally.
Basing any plans for next season on our current striking options is planning for failure.
'He's not as good as people say.'..... Pele commenting on Dybala in 2017
If you think you can get us Paulo dybala for £25m then I'm happy for you to be our director of football. He's got 57 goals in 125 games for juventus and that's despite this season's failure since the Ronaldo signing.
I never watch Serie A, what’s his workrate like?
Its planning to fix our current problems first and realizing that its not a 1 summer fix. Reassess after this window. We have decent striker options. Not world class, not had, but also have big potential there. Right wing? Nothing, not even potential. Center mid and holding mid, again, shit with not a huge amount of potential for the near future. Right back potential in Dalot, but need more of a shorter term signing and with Meunier he ticks a lot of boxes being versatile and cheap.
While I think the signing of Dybala would be unnecessary, Pele is usually quite a poor judge. He proclaimed Diouf amongst the worlds greatest players
Not for £25m, my point was for a cheaper price if they want to sell, I'd say closer to the £50m mark like say Pulisic would be good value.
I think it's very unlikely that many leave, a new manager usually keeps the squad around to see who does well, and I think Ole thinks that a strong fitness regime will help a lot of those players not be terrible. Herrera will probably go, but the other 3 it remains to be seen.
I do wish though that we were ruthless and just got rid of the deadwood, the way Pep and Klopp have, but a lot of our deadwood have been here for 5+ years and just don't seem to go.
Exactly
Assuming they're all kept around Lukaku, Rashford and Martial (shudder) should be good for at least 50 goals between them, more if one of them takes up penalty duties as well. If any are moved on then obviously they'll need replacing but right now certainly in Lukaku's case moving him out should be something on the to do list 12 months from now rather than prioritising right now
I don't think there's any good consistent judge of talent out there, there's no science to it. Fergie rated Phil Jones and Jonny Evans and thought United would be built around them for years. He even rated Darron Gibson
Its nothing special, he has low energy off the ball and is not pacy. He severely lacks tenacity in this respect
Oh well, then he definately won’t be of interest to us.
He also has an almost identical record to Martial this season in goals and assists, with more time on the pitch
Martial in 2018/19 all comps: 12 goals 2 assists 2086 mins 38 apps
Dybala all comps: 12 goals 4 assists 2409 mins 41 apps
Dybala all comps: 12 goals 4 assists 2409 mins 41 apps
They are technically called furniture after 5 years of being labelled 'deadwood'.
Think Dybala is more talented. I remember thinking he had balon d'or potential. His slump started this season with Ronaldo's arrival. I haven't watched enough Juve to really know why he's been bad.
Or it could be the type of big name transfer we get wet over but ends up disappointing as he doesn't fit in/is going through a tough patch/has attitude or fitness issues