Expectations under Ole: 2019/20

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I expect him to implement a particular brand of football, something recognizable that is in line with what most of us consider football worthy of this club.

I expect to see a group of players who are on the same page, increasingly well drilled in the system he opts for.

I expect him to be utterly ruthless about benching/getting rid of anyone who isn't 100% committed to his project - or who simply isn't suited to what he's trying to achieve.

I expect it to become apparent fairly soon whether he actually has a project we can believe in.
 

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I want us to get our summer business early.

We’re Manchester United and we should be challenging for trophies.

I’d take a domestic trophy and a comfortable top 4 finish. Let’s also try and win the Europa League.
 

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I see a season very much the same, thith we will be a lttle better but still battling Arsenal for 5th.

I do not have faith in us recruiting the required talent necessary to improve us enough for anything better.

Maybe my pessimism is getting the better of me but I can't see Ole lasting 3 years.
 

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Top 4 and Domestic cup. Deep run in Europa League. Promoting players from youth setup, getting rid of dead wood.

It sounds like a running joke since the same has been said in recent seasons - however this is effectively a transition season once again, so Top 4 shouldn't be regarded as a compulsory target as long as the style of play and entertainment value improve and the gap between the future champions goes down to something like low double digits which would translate to either Top 4 or at the very least provide a platform for a proper title challenge in 2020/21.
 
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Depends not only on how much we spend in the transfer market but if we spend it wisely.

Assuming everything goes to plan (a wild assumption I know) then a top-four finish, attacking football and a clear sense of progression would be acceptable.
 

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We must never have another season like this one. Even pre season lots of supporters were writing us off and in hindsight they were completely correct.
One thing that supports expect is to have hope for something better and apart from the initial post Ole boost this season has been terrible.
Things have to change and things have to improve. That goes without saying.
I don’t expect miracles but I do expect that the structural changes are soon in place.
I also expect to see a number of players leaving OT and 4 or 5 significant improvements brought in.
Top 4 as a minimum and a repeat win of the Europa League.
Is that too much to ask of this great club?
 

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I want us to get our summer business early.
Not going to happen.
Woodward has been slow to act in every single transfer window.

We’re Manchester United and we should be challenging for trophies.
Back when SAF was in charge, yes. But those days are gone and trophy winning isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

I’d take a domestic trophy and a comfortable top 4 finish. Let’s also try and win the Europa League.
Not going to happen. EL is VERY difficult to win, as are domestic cups.
And as long as Wolves are in the cup competitions, we won't be getting past them.

Are people watching us play or do some fans still think that we are competing in CL finals, with Ronaldo and Rooney, up front?
We are struggling to beat clubs who are bottom of the league and we have won only 2 games in the 11. Barring divine intervention or a miracle, none of the points made above will happen.

Sorry for being so negative, but things are going to get worse, before they get better.
I am looking at next season, as a repeat of the Moyes season...or worse.
 

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Impossible to say without transfers. If we kept the current team as it is, we would get 6th again. Depends on the outgoings and people coming in.
 

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Wow, feel your pain bro but it's not going to be that bad, the Europa League is becoming increasingly easier for English EPL teams to win since the CL spot was given. Our wage bill is €270M per year even with the 25% reduction, this alone would probably dwarf the other 3 teams in our Europa Group league combined. I think EPL will start well then Fall away and we might be 4th with great investmentsthis summer, can see us wining LC, early knock out in FA CUP and trying to win Europa League again.
Hope your right bit more optimistic than myself , investment is needed, then I may be more optimistic, hope ole and the board do not just put the youth through that are not ready or good enough? If those 4 midfielders in reports come be happier , even with 2 Rice and Tielamans..
 

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He has to be held to the same goals as the previous managers. Therefore a top 4 finish.

I don't honestly think we are any worse than Arsenal or Chelsea and we will likely outspend both this Summer (if Chelsea can spend at all).

Having said that, if we finished 5th, but the quality of the football was much better, that would be progress.
 

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4 new players are not gonna magically change what's been happening over the past 7 weeks. I expect a bottom 10 type of form before he gets sacked by November
 

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No amount of signings is going to fix this. Keep Ole & finishing top 10 would be a miracle.
 

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Change it to "get relegated". Maybe relegation will get the Glazers to sell, so Ole might serve a greater purpose if he channels his Cardiff form. I'll even be happy with us in the Championship if it means Woodward and the Glazers will leave.
 

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Survive relegation. But seriously — he’ll be gone come Christmas. Awful manager after an amazing purple patch. Can’t really blame the board for jumping the gun as the form was so good and then that comeback in Paris.
 

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Right now we will struggle to be a top half team. Woodward must go. Doubt Ole makes it past Christmas. He is a good guy and loves the club. Could see him stepping down on his own.
 

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Survive relegation. But seriously — he’ll be gone come Christmas. Awful manager after an amazing purple patch. Can’t really blame the board for jumping the gun as the form was so good and then that comeback in Paris.
We lost 2 games including the one against Wolves in the FA Cup looking as clueless as we do now when he was made permanent manager. He was not even appointed during his winning run but when he started losing, which makes the decision even more bizarre.
 

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If he’s still there at the start of the season, youse are fecked.

Genuinely not even a PL standard manager.
 

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We lost 2 games including the one against Wolves in the FA Cup looking as clueless as we do now when he was made permanent manager. He was not even appointed during his winning run but when he started losing, which makes the decision even more bizarre.
Yes but we expected some loses. I mean surely no expected us to continue his amazing run — so you could just put those loses down to that imo. But yes waiting until the end would have been a smart thing to do. Yet we’ve tied both our hands behind our back.
 

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Yes but we expected some loses. I mean surely no expected us to continue his amazing run — so you could just put those loses down to that imo. But yes waiting until the end would have been a smart thing to do. Yet we’ve tied both our hands behind our back.
With an interim manager, a bigger sample size was needed as otherwise he had no business to be in the running anyway. At that point, all Ole had earned was a right to be included in the list of candidates-- him getting the job would entail him finishing a miracle, not just starting it.
 

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You absolutely can
I mean there were a lot of posters including myself who said Ole deserved the gig after his run. I can understand why they did it. Hindsight is beautiful. Best course would be to sack him now and salvage what we can.
 

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With an interim manager, a bigger sample size was needed as otherwise he had no business to be in the running anyway. At that point, all Ole had earned was a right to be included in the list of candidates-- him getting the job would entail him finishing a miracle, not just starting it.
Yes on balance of things that was a right way to proceed. But again, hindsight is beautiful.
 

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I mean there were a lot of posters including myself who said Ole deserved the gig after his run. I can understand why they did it. Hindsight is beautiful. Best course would be to sack him now and salvage what we can.
I agree, after that initial run they almost had to give him the job but decision makers at such a high level should know better than to pull the trigger too early. Just let things play out until the end of the season and reassess
 

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For god sake. How many people are going to slate Ole without giving him his due shot...

There is so much division on the boards right now, but there are many threads that are talking up the fact that our club is toxic the players are downing tools again. That we need to clear the deadwood and sort out the team over a period of time, and that at least with Ole, as a club legend, he would have so much goodwill with the fans. For god sake, let's extend that goodwill to at least one transfer window before we chuck him in the bin with all the others.

There are many threads on this. How about waiting two months and see how many players we have moved on and what sort of players are coming in? How about reviewing the pre-season and seeing how the team functions when he has time to coach new things into the team and has all HIS players available.

I fully believe that the fast press we did for 10 or so games caught up with our players. At the same time we had a number of players who were intent on leaving, a number intent on walking around the pitch and the injuries caught up with everyone. There are no doubt some toxic elements in the dressing room, and lets face it a lot of the toxicity could be expected - everyone in there feels underpaid when they look across and see Sanchez milking the club dry for no return. There are many things that the club must help Ole with - he can't do it alone.

Give him a chance to be judged on his merits, no the shitshow he inherited.
 

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I agree, after that initial run they almost had to give him the job but decision makers at such a high level should know better than to pull the trigger too early. Just let things play out until the end of the season and reassess
Just shows that they’re incompetent and get pressured and swayed by the opinions of fans, media etc.
 

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Avoiding relegation will be our number 1 priority next season.

That and finding a new manager once Ole is sacked
 

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Expectations is a tough one. I would expect him to make big changes if I had that kind of faith, but what I really expect, if I'm honest, is a worse season than this one. Players like Young, Lingard, Jones etc will still be here but I don't see us making any really positive moves in the transfer market and I don't think Ole will have a clue what to do. I'm just hoping we don't get pulled into a relegation scrap. People will laugh but it's very possible on current form.