There are at least 10 managers in the premier league alone that have got a more impressive CV than Ole. Wouldn't necessarily want all of them (Benitez for example), but there would be more logic in their appointment than in the appointment of Ole.
And yet you still fail to name a realistic target
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Well Benitez is a very good manager, but there is no chance of him becoming manager? Who are these 9?
Pick any manager from 16th in the PL and up, and ask yourself whether Ole is a proven better manager than them...
And yet you still fail to name a realistic target
Here's a list of them all, from 16th to 1st -
Hasenhuttl
Dyche
Howe
Benitez
Hodgson
Gracia
Pellegrini
Rodgers
Silva
Nuno Santo
Emery
Pochettino
Sarri
Klopp
Guardiola
Of that list - Manchester United have the least proven and, one of, if not the, worst coach.
Not one of those clubs would want, or probably even accept Ole as their manager... yet we do.
Manchester United has more money and more resources than every single one of those teams barring City.
Insanity. It's like we're punishing ourselves or something. It's ridiculous.
Throw as many ££££’s as necessary to try and get Pochettino, if not then Nuno Santo.
I suspect the majority of redcafe members already calling for Ole's head had a different opinion after his first 14 games. I actually admit I thought the same, and that he deserved the job.
The same as the amount of people who were happy when Sanchez was signed, and when Mourinho became the manager.
The majority, not all, and who are now (and did) change/d their decisions quickly.
Human nature, but you have to be careful what you wish for.
I still think we should see what happens next season, but OGS needs the FULL backing of the club or there is literally no point; albeit I am not confident for next season, but would we be confident anyway? There will be no mass culling of players unfortunately, not when you see the dross that have already had their contracts extended. I mean, Mr Phillip Jones would not get anywhere near another top club's first team, and yet we have given him a pension plan for the next 5 generations of his family tree via a ludicrous contract extension.
You couldn't make it up, but that is where we are at now as a club, taking the easy option every single time.
The same as the amount of people who were happy when Sanchez was signed, and when Mourinho became the manager.
The majority, not all, and who are now (and did) change/d their decisions quickly.
Human nature, but you have to be careful what you wish for.
I still think we should see what happens next season, but OGS needs the FULL backing of the club or there is literally no point; albeit I am not confident for next season, but would we be confident anyway? There will be no mass culling of players unfortunately, not when you see the dross that have already had their contracts extended. I mean, Mr Phillip Jones would not get anywhere near another top club's first team, and yet we have given him a pension plan for the next 5 generations of his family tree via a ludicrous contract extension.
You couldn't make it up, but that is where we are at now as a club, taking the easy option every single time.
As I've said pretty much every manager in a top league at the moment.
And yet you still fail to name a realistic target
From Howe, Nuno Santo and Hasenhüttl to Rodgers, Benitez, Pellegrini, etc..
Would be easier to name those who I wouldn't replace him with:
Siewert, Gracia, Warnock, Parker, Silva and Hodgson. All other managers currently in PL are better than him.
Easily top 10 in Spain, Germany, France and Italy have better managers than him.Can have probably 50 names that are attainable and better than him off the top of my head.
I would love to have Marco Rose. That's the kind of manager we should be looking for, young and up-and-coming managers with a cv to back it up. Not Ole.
Let's face it, had his name not been Ole you wouldnt have defended him.
Agree completely.
Ffs, you put Klopp, Guardiola in there. Yes we all know Ole is not as experienced as the rest. But thats not the question being put forward
Who are actual realistic replacements? Who are people actually going to be satisfied with and not be bitching about a few weeks later?
Given the state of our club, the squad, the way its run and we simply have to back Ole.
Is Ole going to win us the league? I'd say no.
Do we need to start from scratch and re-build? Absolutely.
What we need is 2-3 seasons of fixing this club, from behind the scenes to the pitch.
Ditching Ole now will just result in more turmoil and ridicule. He hasn't had ONE transfer window, yet we are judging him?
Give him 2 seasons, 4 windows.
Until the squad is majorly overhauled then NO manger would make us any better
Ole has a vision, something we haven't had for 5 seasons, possible more.
We need to encourage and support Ole, not slate him. We have become such a hateful spiteful club, lets just accept where we are, admit throwing money at instant success doesn't work and start to make this club move forward the right way.
I'm backing Ole because its the right thing to do
Is Ole going to win us the league? I'd say no.
Do we need to start from scratch and re-build? Absolutely.
What we need is 2-3 seasons of fixing this club, from behind the scenes to the pitch.
Ditching Ole now will just result in more turmoil and ridicule. He hasn't had ONE transfer window, yet we are judging him?
Give him 2 seasons, 4 windows.
Until the squad is majorly overhauled then NO manger would make us any better
Ole has a vision, something we haven't had for 5 seasons, possible more.
We need to encourage and support Ole, not slate him. We have become such a hateful spiteful club, lets just accept where we are, admit throwing money at instant success doesn't work and start to make this club move forward the right way.
I'm backing Ole because its the right thing to do
And Southgate and probably most top national team managers too.
Hasenhuttl
Howe
Gracia
Pellegrini
Rodgers
Silva
Nuno Santo
Pochettino
Assuming Emery or Sarri wouldn't leave as they are only a year into their contracts then that is a list of 8 managers currently operating in the Premier League with better CVs than OGS.
And that's just the Prem - imagine how many other there are across the other leagues?
Now, I think United should be setting our sights as high as possible, so I clearly wouldn't be campaigning for us appointing some of the guys on that list....but what does that say about Ole, who would be even lower on that list?
How many managers did Madrid have this season? We have to be ruthless with both players and managers to succeed. As soon it is evident a player can't cut it they should be sold. Managers should be sacked for the kind of form we showed the past few weeks.
I think you should check the Howe thread. A week when Bournemouth lose and United win, the thought of Howe as boss was seen as laughable, "Ole is much better", "Howe is at his level".
Now look where we are. Fans are incredibly fickle
They are but Howe is clearly a better manager
I think it says more about the board. He should have never been anywhere near this job. But the geniuses at the board thought they found a cheap option who will be good enough. Seeing Ole as our manager is honestly scary. Doesn't matter that we are getting humiliated week after week, he seems to just be happy to be here and enjoy football from the best seats in the stadium. I thought there is no chance to find someone worse than Moyes but here we are, Ed has proved us wrong yet again. Of course instead of quickly fixing this massive mistake, we are letting him continue into the next season when we will eventually reach the rock bottom. Absolute shambles.
You have to waste money first. Is four players going to change what you saw over the past 6-7 weeks?My word! I'm shocked that so many people are actually suggesting this. He came in mid-season and hasn't even been given the chance to sign anyone yet.
I don't want Howe. You asked me which managers are attainable and better than Ole, which is why I made that list.
Howe is better than Ole, but not United quality, this is how far off Ole's appointment is.
According to reports he wasn't even the cheap option. We are in shambles.
You can't appoint a manger who when he came in as caretaker was 11 points behind 4th, he got us so close to it we are fuming that we missed out, we turned around a 0-2 deficit against PSG when we had absolute no right to, finally won some massive away games at Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and a good point against Liverpool when everything went against us.
It has leveled out and some of the individual performances have been nothing short of woeful, he has tried 4/5 different systems to see what suits what players, he has now learn't a huge amount about his players, he knows who he wants to stay and who he wants rid off, he has said he wants young hungry energetic quick players, wants them to be fit, to hassle, to press.
He wants to overhaul the squad and before he even has a chance to do any of that, you want to sack him before he has the opportunity to buy a player, bring in another manager who will spend another 6 months giving these players a chance.
Do me a favour, get behind Ole ffs, if this time next year he falls flat on his face then fair enough but give the fecking guy a chance, some miserable feckers on here really are.
It has leveled out and some of the individual performances have been nothing short of woeful, he has tried 4/5 different systems to see what suits what players, he has now learn't a huge amount about his players, he knows who he wants to stay and who he wants rid off, he has said he wants young hungry energetic quick players, wants them to be fit, to hassle, to press.
He wants to overhaul the squad and before he even has a chance to do any of that, you want to sack him before he has the opportunity to buy a player, bring in another manager who will spend another 6 months giving these players a chance.
Do me a favour, get behind Ole ffs, if this time next year he falls flat on his face then fair enough but give the fecking guy a chance, some miserable feckers on here really are.
It will be a mistake to judge or sack Ole until the other issues in the club have been fixed.
Do people seriously believe that just because some manager managed a couple of seasons in the PL or whenever, is definitely more qualified to take on the role of the Manchester United?
You actually think that the manager of Watford is more qualified for that role than OGS?
He could be, I’m not dismissing this option but there’s absolutely no way to be sure of it.
Imagine we sack Ole now, before he was given a single transfer window, ( to fix that mess we’ll need about six), imagine we sack him and appoint the manager or Watford, Atalanta or Betis, what does that say about our club? It’s insanity and would never happen.
Like, if all of a sudden Pep became available and was interested then that would make sense, but in reality OGS could succeed here and he could also fail, like 99.9% of the managers in world football, we simply don’t know.
You actually think that the manager of Watford is more qualified for that role than OGS?
He could be, I’m not dismissing this option but there’s absolutely no way to be sure of it.
Imagine we sack Ole now, before he was given a single transfer window, ( to fix that mess we’ll need about six), imagine we sack him and appoint the manager or Watford, Atalanta or Betis, what does that say about our club? It’s insanity and would never happen.
Like, if all of a sudden Pep became available and was interested then that would make sense, but in reality OGS could succeed here and he could also fail, like 99.9% of the managers in world football, we simply don’t know.
Yup. Spend 300m in the Summer to bring Ole type of players. Sack him around Christmas because things aren't going well. Get new manager in who will not like those Ole type of players and give him 1-2 transfer windows to fix it.My word! I'm shocked that so many people are actually suggesting this. He came in mid-season and hasn't even been given the chance to sign anyone yet.
Yeah that's certainly the better idea and what have been doing 6 years now to incredible success.
I am asking, who is a realistic option that people will be satisfied with and actually get behind?
There are lots of managers in 'theory' that are better then Ole.
Pochettino now shut up. Jesus.
Howe has proved his quality and who knows what level he could reach should he be given the chance.
Hello Stupid, maybe read my question again. Clown
A ray of sense in the otherwise cloudy storm of rubbish on here.
Did you miss the realistic part?
I'd start with DoF first and foremost. Campos, Van der Sar, Zorc, Monchi, Brands. I'd get behind their choice, because those are proven figures and will pick the right choice of a manager. Even if their first choice isn't as successful the manager type and the recruitment process will be ten times better.
Let me give you an example - Ed hired Moyes, LvG, Jose, Ole - you couldn't find 4 different managers in terms of style, resume and characteristics. It's like he's pulling names out of a hat.
In terms of names - I've backed Jose(although late) since he was appointed and till date to me he's the best manager we had post Fergie. I manager with resume and overall vision I'd back no doubt, but not another experiment.
Conte is available for example, is he not realistic?
Howe is better than Ole that's given, but still won't give him the job. Out of the inexperienced managers right now I'd opt for ten Hag.
This.
Any managers at any club deserves 1 full season with good transfers.
He is the first United manager to win 4 in row on first time. And he got us 8 or 9 straight wins in a row. Shows that he is something special. He did it before, he can do it again.
I seriously doubt Poch can do any better with this team. Poch would have us playing parking bus with the players we got. Poch aren't any special than Mourinho. Mourinho who is far superior than Poch also failed for the first time in this club.
Back him. Our post Paris form has been deplorable, but he showed before that that he gets the club, and he gets how we should be playing football. Its a massive summer for us, literally the difference between getting back on track or facing years of mediocracy. We cant keep changing the manager though, it just destabilises everything.
Back him, and give him time. The one thing that persuades me more than ever is his faith in youth. He references the academy constantly, showing he believes in it. He knows that's where the building has to start (certainly more so than any of Fergie's other wanna be successors)
Back him, and give him time. The one thing that persuades me more than ever is his faith in youth. He references the academy constantly, showing he believes in it. He knows that's where the building has to start (certainly more so than any of Fergie's other wanna be successors)
Let's face it, even one average season in the PL would give a manager a more relevant CV than OGS.
How are you so sure that it is completely unrealistic?
This. At least give him until Christmas Jheeeez Louise.
Di Matteo won CL and then went on winning 7 out of 8 games the next season. Surely he was something special and could do it again?
Last time seen managing Aston Villa in Championship winning 1 in 12.
I like this question. Especially the part about a name whom people won't be complaining about if results or performances aren't perfect by November.
Realistic yes, but I'm not so sure people will get behind Conte as easily as you think, especially if he doesn't hit the ground running. I don't see him as the type whom people will be patient with if things don't click immediately.
Looks like I have a few people above in agreement, wanna put your points across in this thread as well, good luck
His age was probably a factor.
If his good record to start with show he's special then what does his more recent terrible form make him?
Some are so desperate to ignore that we've got worse almost week by week under him.
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