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Why can't God be the answer to the theory of evolution...
Poch is explicitly stated in the hypothesis of the question as not a answer being searched for
The question I was answering was who might be a better, and realistic, option than OGS. Until I see hard evidence that Pochettino definitely wouldn't come to us then I view him as realistic - ergo he is part of my answer.

As a caretaker, yes, not as a permanent manager after a few months
So why do you find it so hard to imagine that anyone could come up with a decent alternative to him as permanent manager 6 months down the line?
 

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Surprised the mods haven’t put up a poll yet for this thread. It will be interesting to see where the fans on Redcafe stands on this.

I have been consistent and I want him out immediately. He seems to have the right vision for the club, but not the tactical acumen or emotional intelligence to be our manager. Even if he somehow corrects ship, his philosophy is not good enough to get us back on top. Under Ole, we will be playing counterattacking football and we will be outplayed consistently by teams who has a better philosophy. We could win against them and find similar success Wolves did against top teams due to this approach, but I can’t see it as a solid foundation to get us back where we have to be.

I m fine if Ole get moved to a different role in the club, but as the manager we need to do better.
What the feck is "emotional intelligence" As for wanting him out immediatly what is your plan after that? You seem to think we can press some button and Poch will automatically turn up at carrington. The transfer window opens on Thursday. If we get rid of Ole now how would the window turn out when we will spend over half the window looking for a manager?
 

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-We wasn’t trying to get him midway through a season

-if we didn’t hire Ole we wouldn’t be waiting until the end of the season regardless

-We are MANCHESTER UNITED. Finishing 6th is not going to make a manager like Poch turn us down. Did Christiano Ronaldo turn down an inferior Real Madrid? Ronaldinho Barcelona, even Klopp was he turning down 8th place Liverpool. Have some standards man. Get some balls (figuratively speaking you might be a lady:)) about the club you support.
Haha, I’m not a lady - so you’re fine. I mean I think we are a better and bigger club than Tottenham. I’m not entirely sure you can say that if you are the head coach of Spurs, currently leading a team you’ve built, into the CL final. There is clear progression in his project, whether he views that being worth sacking that all in, right now, would be debatable. Hence, why I can’t see it being realistic right now.
 

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Like I've been saying, Pep and Zidane had no right to be given their first top jobs by this logic but they knew the environment inside out. That's the same same logic I'm applying for Ole. I admit it's a gamble, it might work out, it might not, we can't tell. But I'm okay with us taking this gamble.
Zidane got the job on the 4th Jan 2016; his record till June 2016 was: 20 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses. They scored 72 goals in 24 games. He also won the Champions league. No bullshit transfers were needed, no pre season. He took the job from Benitez and lost the league by one point.

Pep got the job in July 2008 and his record after 29 games was: 24 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses.

Ole's record is: 16 wins; 4 draws and 9 losses whilst also recording United's worst run of form for over 50 years.

Zidane got the job in very similar circumstances to Ole but the difference was he improved a lacklustre Real Madrid side.
 

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The question I was answering was who might be a better, and realistic, option than OGS. Until I see hard evidence that Pochettino definitely wouldn't come to us then I view him as realistic - ergo he is part of my answer.

So why do you find it so hard to imagine that anyone could come up with a decent alternative to him as permanent manager 6 months down the line?
No i find it hard to imagine saying "sack him" and then not being able to provide realistic options or approach, other then saying "throw money at Poch" to come...like thats just the only factor...its really no better then the board that people are lambasting.
 

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You are obviously very ITK, so I bow to your superior insider knowledge ;-)


We're Manchester United, why the feck are we giving permanent appointments to people with shit CVs?!
We gave permanent appointments to two managers with fabulous CV's (3 CL wins between them), and the other had 11 years as a PL manager under his belt. Is it really so outrageous to try something new and put some faith in Ole? We all have high hopes for inexperienced players like Greenwood, Chong, Garner etc who could very well turn out to be duds but we still back them unconditionally. Same sentiment should be given to the inexperienced Ole, for at least half a season once he's brought in some new faces!
 

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The picture at Bayern, Juve and Barça isn't all that clear yet.



Poch - Not sure yet, really. See the long exchanges above, we can't be sure he's a realistic option as of now.
Nuno - Managing United isn't the same job as managing your average club. He might find the step up too huge.
Tuchel - Is he a realistic target right now?
Ten Hag - Not ready for United and probably United not ready for him either, the structure in place at Ajax was tailored for him, not sure about putting him in the current United set up.
Pellegrini - You really sure United fans would get behind him as manager? Imagine the scenes if results are still inconsistent by November, do you think anyone will be patient with him?
Allegri - Same as Pellegrini.
Conte - Same as Allegri.

Ole has for him his great start when he came in which got the fans behind him and won over the inital sceptics and his status as club legend which would buy him some time if the start to next season is shaky. Admittedly he might have used up most of his jokers already with the poor run at the end of this season.
Yet Ole is qualified?
 

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What the feck is "emotional intelligence" As for wanting him out immediatly what is your plan after that? You seem to think we can press some button and Poch will automatically turn up at carrington. The transfer window opens on Thursday. If we get rid of Ole now how would the window turn out when we will spend over half the window looking for a manager?
Ability to motivate players and instill confidence in them. Recently, there is report out that Ole told Gomes one of our bright academy prospects that he is physically fragile and as a result makes him want to leave with PSG interested. Moreover, he has shown the lack of ability to even motivate these players to turn up against Huddesfield and Cardiff. Two of the worst team in the league, whereas we saw how Everton embarrassed us as well. He seems to be only able to motivate them against big teams and at most times that is not even good enough.

There have been many managers that has come in late in the transfer window. Chelsea sacking of conte is a recent example. The plan is simply to get a manager that knows what he is doing and appoint a DoF that shares the same vision of that manager. If pochettino can’t be lured, we can try Ten Hag. We shouldn’t sack Ole unless, we have an agreement with one of those two. Their philosophy are good enough to take us where we should be. We don’t have to worry about players during the transfer window if we appoint a DoF. I m not an advocate of getting Simone, Allegri, Conte, or other high profile manager, so if those two can’t be convinced, we might as well keep Ole and see if he doesn’t have us relegated.
 

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Zidane got the job on the 4th Jan 2016; his record till June 2016 was: 20 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses. They scored 72 goals in 24 games. He also won the Champions league. No bullshit transfers were needed, no pre season. He took the job from Benitez and lost the league by one point.

Pep got the job in July 2008 and his record after 29 games was: 24 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses.

Ole's record is: 16 wins; 4 draws and 9 losses whilst also recording United's worst run of form for over 50 years.

Zidane got the job in very similar circumstances to Ole but the difference was he improved a lacklustre Real Madrid side.
Pep inherited a team with Messi, Eto'o, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Henry, Toure, Abidal. A team that won CL and 2 league titles just couple of years before.

Zidane inherited a team with Bale, Benzema, Cristiano, Modric, Kroos and Marcelo.

Both would have the time and leeway to perfect their style and the quality to execute it. People often forget that.

Pressure is different, expectations should be different. Barca and Real could afford to appoint the Tata Martino type and get away with it due to the enormous talent in their ranks.

We can't.
 

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This forum. "Rather have Poch". Since Ole signed as the permanent manager for us, we've taken two points less than Spurs the last 8 games. Same goes for Arsenal. Poch didn't get funds last summer, but he's been in the club long enough to know his players and building his squad. Emery at Arsenal got two transfer windows, and still, he's "shit" like Ole. .
Seems no one wants to acknowledge this, just "they have more experience on their CV's"
 

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Is this the type of posts you do? one or two worded reponses...how is this any different from 'lol'..?

Who should do the honours of putting them on their mute list? If you do not like my posts, please, go ahead... Because next reply/alert like your previous two and you will be another added to the population
 

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Since January he has gone from 'The Baby-faced assassin' to 'The Granny-faced assassin' with all the pressure and poor displays.

But I will put my full trust and faith he can work the magic, with Phelan acting as Yoda, teaching him the secrets of the Fergie Force.
 

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No i find it hard to imagine saying "sack him" and then not being able to provide realistic options or approach, other then saying "throw money at Poch" to come...like thats just the only factor...its really no better then the board that people are lambasting.
This thread is full of alternatives - you just don't want to acknowledge them because it leaves you with a non-existent argument.

We gave permanent appointments to two managers with fabulous CV's (3 CL wins between them), and the other had 11 years as a PL manager under his belt. Is it really so outrageous to try something new and put some faith in Ole? We all have high hopes for inexperienced players like Greenwood, Chong, Garner etc who could very well turn out to be duds but we still back them unconditionally. Same sentiment should be given to the inexperienced Ole, for at least half a season once he's brought in some new faces!
yeah, it is pretty outrageous - the rest of the footballing world must be absolutely pissing themselves.

For what it's worth obviously a strong CV is not the only thing we should be looking for. We shouldn't be actively ignoring that though - it's mental!
 

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Zidane got the job on the 4th Jan 2016; his record till June 2016 was: 20 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses. They scored 72 goals in 24 games. He also won the Champions league. No bullshit transfers were needed, no pre season. He took the job from Benitez and lost the league by one point.

Pep got the job in July 2008 and his record after 29 games was: 24 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses.

Ole's record is: 16 wins; 4 draws and 9 losses whilst also recording United's worst run of form for over 50 years.

Zidane got the job in very similar circumstances to Ole but the difference was he improved a lacklustre Real Madrid side.
You're right on both counts, Pep and Zidane both had very impressive starts and deserved the job full-time, but Ole had a great start as well; up to his permanent appointment. I'm sure it wasn't just a new manager bounce by which we went on that 74% win ratio until the PSG return leg after which we basically collapsed. Ole certainly had his share of the blame (putting too much trust in certain players who didn't deserve it and slow in making substitutions in many instances) but I think the sudden drop in results after he was given the full-time job wasn't totally on him.

In any case, I still believe he should be given at least until next summer to implement his own ideas and bring players players who suit him better. You can't deny that Pep and Zidane had great squads to work with, nothing compared with what Ole has right now.
 

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Zidane got the job on the 4th Jan 2016; his record till June 2016 was: 20 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses. They scored 72 goals in 24 games. He also won the Champions league. No bullshit transfers were needed, no pre season. He took the job from Benitez and lost the league by one point.

Pep got the job in July 2008 and his record after 29 games was: 24 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses.

Ole's record is: 16 wins; 4 draws and 9 losses whilst also recording United's worst run of form for over 50 years.

Zidane got the job in very similar circumstances to Ole but the difference was he improved a lacklustre Real Madrid side.
Under very similar circumstances?
You’re seriously comparing a squad with Varane, Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal, Modric, Kroos, Ronaldo, Isco, Bale and Benzema to a United team with Smalling, Shaw, Lindelof, Young, Matic, Pogba, Lingard, Rashford and Martial?

I mean, Zidane did great, but both situations are nothing alike.
 

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This thread is full of alternatives - you just don't want to acknowledge them because it leaves you with a non-existent argument.
No, its full of managers that have more experience then Ole. Not managers people genuinely want. Some people might want Howe, where as other will say Bournemouth is his level...
Where other are saying Benitez, realistically he's never going to be United manager & many fans wont even back him (See Chelsea reaction)
After all these replies you simply can't put forward a realistic alternative (not Poch:rolleyes:)..that wont divide as many people as Ole does
 
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There have been many managers that has come in late in the transfer window. Chelsea sacking of conte is a recent example. The plan is simply to get a manager that knows what he is doing and appoint a DoF that shares the same vision of that manager. If pochettino can’t be lured, we can try Ten Hag. We shouldn’t sack Ole unless, we have an agreement with one of those two. Their philosophy are good enough to take us where we should be. We don’t have to worry about players during the transfer window if we appoint a DoF. I m not an advocate of getting Simone, Allegri, Conte, or other high profile manager, so if those two can’t be convinced, we might as well keep Ole and see if he doesn’t have us relegated.
You do know Poch doesn't fancy working in a setup with a DoF don't you? We need to do things right, if we're hiring a manager (like Mourinho as well, I think) who doesn't want to work with a DoF then don't get one and risk ruining the atmosphere at the club. If we say we now want to implement a structure with DoF at United, then that takes Poch out of consideration.
 

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Since January he has gone from 'The Baby-faced assassin' to 'The Granny-faced assassin' with all the pressure and poor displays.

But I will put my full trust and faith he can work the magic, with Phelan acting as Yoda, teaching him the secrets of the Fergie Force.
:lol: I did notice a change in he's face and thought the same thing!
 

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You're right on both counts, Pep and Zidane both had very impressive starts and deserved the job full-time, but Ole had a great start as well; up to his permanent appointment. I'm sure it wasn't just a new manager bounce by which we went on that 74% win ratio until the PSG return leg after which we basically collapsed. Ole certainly had his share of the blame (putting too much trust in certain players who didn't deserve it and slow in making substitutions in many instances) but I think the sudden drop in results after he was given the full-time job wasn't totally on him.

In any case, I still believe he should be given at least until next summer to implement his own ideas and bring players players who suit him better. You can't deny that Pep and Zidane had great squads to work with, nothing compared with what Ole has right now.
Our squad is disgusting in comparison, I suppose they could gamble more because of how good their teams were. But, he still deserves a transfer window and a good few months to see if he can improve the team.
 

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Our squad is disgusting in comparison, I suppose they could gamble more because of how good their teams were. But, he still deserves a transfer window and a good few months to see if he can improve the team.
I agree, sometimes you need to take your chances. We have tried the blockbuster CV route twice already without success. Why not try something else now? Who says Ole and United aren't made for each other? We would never know unless we try! He was given the job as caretaker initially and after passing the audition with flying colours, was granted the job full-time, deservedly at the time. I don't agree that we should sack him now without giving him a fair shot.
 

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You do know Poch doesn't fancy working in a setup with a DoF don't you? We need to do things right, if we're hiring a manager (like Mourinho as well, I think) who doesn't want to work with a DoF then don't get one and risk ruining the atmosphere at the club. If we say we now want to implement a structure with DoF at United, then that takes Poch out of consideration.
If Poch has a good relationship with the DoF, I am sure he would not mind. With a manager like Poch, we wouldn’t need a DoF, as he is good at identifying and developing players he wants but I believe if the DoF shares a vision similar to Poch, there will be no conflict. There will be conflict if we get a DoF who tries to undermine the manager, as such the DoF under Poch should solely give the manager a list of variable decisions that the manager would have the final say in. A DoF in such a manner can still work even if Poch wouldn’t want to work with one.
 

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I agree, sometimes you need to take your chances. We have tried the blockbuster CV route twice already without success. Why not try something else now? Who says Ole and United aren't made for each other? We would never know unless we try! He was given the job as caretaker initially and after passing the audition with flying colours, was granted the job full-time, deservedly at the time. I don't agree that we should sack him now without giving him a fair shot.
Nobody seems to give a damn, they want to keep trying the Galactico manager approach. If Ole is shite after being given a fair chance then fine SACK AWAY. At-least if he fails no ex-player will get the job ever again; im sure the Café will be ecstatic about that!
 

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It's so sad we, united fans, have become everything we used to hate. 3 months into the job as a full time and let us sack him. Many play fifa FM a lot and apply that to the real life. Hey let us get Poch or Allegri adn get VDS as director. Why would someone just leave their position to join this mess and moreover when they know these idiots just sack manager without even giving him a transfer window.

I said it in another thread, Ole is not a dumb manager or some glorified cheerleader like some think. I bet half of the poeple who just want a fancy manager to manage us never bothered to look what was Ole's tactics at Molde prior joining here.

Just go and check this link https://totalfootballanalysis.com/h...solskjaer-manchester-united-tactical-analysis

This explains he likes his team to press high and was very much influenced by Pep and Klopp's style. It is not a surprise he keeps on emphasizing hard work and trying to outwork the opponent. That is why after 2 months everything fizzled out as these players are not trained to play a high press football. Give these lot to klopp and even he will struggle to suddenly make them a top squad.

The problem is we have a lot of knee jerking fans who just want instant success. Most of them would eat Poch or any other manager alive the moment they start losing 3 or 4 games. I am not going to show my blind trust in ole but sacking a manager without giving them one transfer window would make our club look like rightful idiots.
 

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No, its full of managers that have more experience then Ole. Not managers people genuinely want. Some people might want Howe, where as other will say Bournemouth is his level...
Where other are saying Benitez, realistically he's never going to be United manager & many fans wont even back him (See Chelsea reaction)
After all these replies you simply can't put forward a realistic alternative (not Poch:rolleyes:)..that wont divide as many people as Ole does
Dunno whether you've noticed but the forum is pretty divided at the moment. I'll just pick the first name off the top of my head as that's what you're so desperate for. Having watched Wolves this season - and specifically the players they have recruited and the commitment they show - if the club had gone through a rigorous recruitment process and identified Nuno as the man best suited to rebuild United, I think more people would be prepared to give him time and money than someone who's only previous PL experience involved relegation, 19 signings and the sack.
 

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Ability to motivate players and instill confidence in them. Recently, there is report out that Ole told Gomes one of our bright academy prospects that he is physically fragile and as a result makes him want to leave with PSG interested. Moreover, he has shown the lack of ability to even motivate these players to turn up against Huddesfield and Cardiff. Two of the worst team in the league, whereas we saw how Everton embarrassed us as well. He seems to be only able to motivate them against big teams and at most times that is not even good enough.

There have been many managers that has come in late in the transfer window. Chelsea sacking of conte is a recent example. The plan is simply to get a manager that knows what he is doing and appoint a DoF that shares the same vision of that manager. If pochettino can’t be lured, we can try Ten Hag. We shouldn’t sack Ole unless, we have an agreement with one of those two. Their philosophy are good enough to take us where we should be. We don’t have to worry about players during the transfer window if we appoint a DoF. I m not an advocate of getting Simone, Allegri, Conte, or other high profile manager, so if those two can’t be convinced, we might as well keep Ole and see if he doesn’t have us relegated.
First of all a dof needs time to set a list of targets and they need a lot more than the measly 2 months that the window is open. Second of all Woodward is never going to give away his power and hire a top quality dof to do his work. Look at the names being mentioned, Rio, Fletcher etc. He want's these type of guys to come in and act as some sort of helping hand to ole while at the end he still remains in his current position.

Ideal scenario would be to take in Poch and then Mitchell from Leipzig and have them work together again. This will never happen as long as Woodward is here though as he will never want to give his current position away. He is an arrogant self righteous bastard.
 

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Zidane got the job on the 4th Jan 2016; his record till June 2016 was: 20 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses. They scored 72 goals in 24 games. He also won the Champions league. No bullshit transfers were needed, no pre season. He took the job from Benitez and lost the league by one point.

Pep got the job in July 2008 and his record after 29 games was: 24 wins; 2 draws and 2 losses.

Ole's record is: 16 wins; 4 draws and 9 losses whilst also recording United's worst run of form for over 50 years.

Zidane got the job in very similar circumstances to Ole but the difference was he improved a lacklustre Real Madrid side.
And the team Zidane left behind in RM after 3 seasons were crushing it? Or Lupetegui is an average manager?
Seems no one wants to acknowledge this, just "they have more experience on their CV's"
I know. It's just "but we're Man United, we need to have a more experienced manager. A proven manager with years of experience. Like LVG. No, not like him, because he's not proven in PL. But like Mourinho without the controversies."
We're all jealous of Klopp, but he's out of reach.

Out of all the managers we've had after SAF, I still find Moyes the least good choice. His style of football in Everton never got me fired up, except for when we were playing against them, and Fellaini got away with a few elbows every game.
 

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It's so sad we, united fans, have become everything we used to hate. 3 months into the job as a full time and let us sack him. Many play fifa FM a lot and apply that to the real life. Hey let us get Poch or Allegri adn get VDS as director. Why would someone just leave their position to join this mess and moreover when they know these idiots just sack manager without even giving him a transfer window.

I said it in another thread, Ole is not a dumb manager or some glorified cheerleader like some think. I bet half of the poeple who just want a fancy manager to manage us never bothered to look what was Ole's tactics at Molde prior joining here.

Just go and check this link https://totalfootballanalysis.com/h...solskjaer-manchester-united-tactical-analysis

This explains he likes his team to press high and was very much influenced by Pep and Klopp's style. It is not a surprise he keeps on emphasizing hard work and trying to outwork the opponent. That is why after 2 months everything fizzled out as these players are not trained to play a high press football. Give these lot to klopp and even he will struggle to suddenly make them a top squad.

The problem is we have a lot of knee jerking fans who just want instant success. Most of them would eat Poch or any other manager alive the moment they start losing 3 or 4 games. I am not going to show my blind trust in ole but sacking a manager without giving them one transfer window would make our club look like rightful idiots.

Great summary, I feel exactly the same. The media don't help either by piling on the pressure but I guess thats the world we live in today. Only those within the inner sanctum of the club know exactly whats been going on and the "stories" in the press about in-fighting among the players and their apparent lack of respect in the manager are nothing but "stories". Ole should be given a proper chance, let him sign his own players and put his own stamp on the team. The players have proved at times this season that when fully committed and motivated they can be a top side, fitness should be a top priority during the off season.
 

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Nobody seems to give a damn, they want to keep trying the Galactico manager approach. If Ole is shite after being given a fair chance then fine SACK AWAY. At-least if he fails no ex-player will get the job ever again; im sure the Café will be ecstatic about that!
Our fans should want us to be successful. Fair chance means 1-2 years(even more) down the drain. Most fail to grasp that.

At this rate we risk becoming Liverpool of yesterday with Hodgson, Evans and Dalglish.

Imagine you own your own company would you prefer to hire the most qualified person you could get for the job, instead of your nephew?

It's not instant success either, it has been 6 years and nothing changed.

We mock Liverpool and their 30 years hunt for the title, but with this approach we'll be on that path before we know it.
 

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Sack Woodward and let the new director/CEO decide whether to keep him on or sack him.
 

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Our fans should want us to be successful. Fair chance means 1-2 years(even more) down the drain. Most fail to grasp that.

At this rate we risk becoming Liverpool of yesterday with Hodgson, Evans and Dalglish.

Imagine you own your own company would you prefer to hire the most qualified person you could get for the job, instead of your nephew?

It's not instant success either, it has been 6 years and nothing changed.

We mock Liverpool and their 30 years hunt for the title, but with this approach we'll be on that path before we know it.
There's not a chance in hell he'll be given that long, the Café will be outside his house way before then! Up until Christmas will be the acid test, lets see what he does.
 

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Don't insult the poster.

Calling people 'stupid' or 'Clown' isn't what this place is about, mate.
Like he did to me, after not being able to read a simple question..should the mods be blamed for quality control (ala Ed...) promoting people that comprehend a simple question

But anyway, whatever 'mate'
 

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First of all a dof needs time to set a list of targets and they need a lot more than the measly 2 months that the window is open. Second of all Woodward is never going to give away his power and hire a top quality dof to do his work. Look at the names being mentioned, Rio, Fletcher etc. He want's these type of guys to come in and act as some sort of helping hand to ole while at the end he still remains in his current position.

Ideal scenario would be to take in Poch and then Mitchell from Leipzig and have them work together again. This will never happen as long as Woodward is here though as he will never want to give his current position away. He is an arrogant self righteous bastard.
Yea, I agree he is :lol: and that would be an ideal scenario. Some DoF can work in such a limited timeframe. The result might not be as good with more time, but at least we lay a foundation for a better future just like Ajax has done.
 

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There's not a chance in hell he'll be given that long, the Café will be outside his house way before then! Up until Christmas will be the acid test, lets see what he does.
Thing is if he is in the job come September we will still lose 1-2 years due to his permanent appointment. It's a vicious cycle.

If you put a proper manager with credentials you have to give him time to fix the mess. The problem is with Ole staying for another window and season you will have more problems and a bigger mess to fix.

So essentially with this appointment and those that back him we write off next year and probably the year after next.
 

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I have a feeling that we are locked inside a vicious circle. On the one hand, I think that OGS isn't qualified enough to give him such a position in rebuilding this team. On the other hand, every other top manager is out of our reach ( Klopp, Pep, Poch ), are overrated ( Allegri, Tuchel ) or simply unproved on the highest level.

I have a feeling that we are in for a rough ride and I hope that I will be proved wrong.
 

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Thing is if he is in the job come September we will still lose 1-2 years due to his permanent appointment. It's a vicious cycle.

If you put a proper manager with credentials you have to give him time to fix the mess. The problem is with Ole staying for another window and season you will have more problems and a bigger mess to fix.

So essentially with this appointment and those that back him we write off next year and probably the year after next.
Sacking Ole right now in May and getting in a replacement could also cause a lot of delays. The new manager will want to give them another chance and asses the players again during the season. At least Ole right now has his mind made up about who's going or staying. It's just going to cause more and more instability, I'd like to give him a fair crack at it. No new manager comes in and does great immediately you can look around at any manager if you need examples. Ole won his first 10+ games which is unprecedented. The team were incapable of keeping up the intensity and are just mentally fragile little guppies.
 
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