Fergie's last game, when the title was well and truly won a few weeks back and players were already on vacation mode. This is his record at Everton:
Does anyone still see potential for Lukaku?
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It was certainly an anomaly.Fergie's last game, when the title was well and truly won a few weeks back and players were already on vacation mode. This is his record at Everton:
I think we have far bigger problems than Lukaku. Our team is so dependent on Pogba for creativity it's depressing. Sort that out and the defence this summer then we can think on replacing him with a better striker next year.
Riddiculous decision not to back mourinho that summer and breaking his " third season syndrom".
He came here for the long haul, achieved great success with respect to the players he had, and identified the players to further things forward. When he wasnt backed, things went sour especially with the players, some of which knew he wanted them out.
He should have been backed further to build his " lieutendants" ranks, which im sure Persic would have been part of, along with Maguire and a rested Matic. We got Fred.
I think Lukaku is brilliant ( well comfortably that level) once he gets back on track fitness wise. He has been consistently doing it against teams he was expected to be doing it against, ie teams in the mid-bottm. Now at United He will be playing on level grounds with the top teams ( PSG) and would have done better with Mourinho.
But with Ole s preference of Rashford, between Martial and Lukaku id keep the previous European golden boy who just signed a long term contract. Riddiculous state to be in, Rashford is comfortably interior to both at the moment.
Lukaku is a pretty decent striker but he clearly can't be part of the rebuild that has to take place at Old Trafford unless he were comfortable with being part of the rotation behind Rashford and possibly even Greenwood.
No. He'll be a better version of himself if he loses the bulk but won't drastically change.
I can also see him prematurely slowing down due to his early start in the senior game.
I can also see him prematurely slowing down due to his early start in the senior game.
His attitude really stinks. He talks a big game, but hasn't shown it since he's been at Utd. He's lost all his desire and derermination, I can see him getting worse and worse.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him in a league like Turkey in a couple of years. The food is good, so at least he will enjoy that aspect.
He's 26, and has failed to work on his limitations, he's already on a downward trajectory in my opinion.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him in a league like Turkey in a couple of years. The food is good, so at least he will enjoy that aspect.
He's 26, and has failed to work on his limitations, he's already on a downward trajectory in my opinion.
Yes, he is a tap in merchant and can still be utilised for goals if enough quality service is provided to him by wingers and creative players. It makes no sense to get rid without replacing him with a top quality striker at the moment.
We should get wide players and enough playmakers who can give him good service to tap in.
We should get wide players and enough playmakers who can give him good service to tap in.
No. Technically he’s so poor. Movement poor. Fitness poor. £75m and not good enough which doesn’t reflect well on current state of the transfer market.
Can’t see him learning how to control a ball this late in his career. Don’t think you can be a top club striker without that basic skill.
He needs to work on his fitness, but in the right system ie. right of a front three he could yet be prolific, be helped by having a left-back with a steady stream of quality crosses as well.
He really let him self go this season and his limitation became even more apparent.
Shame really for someone who talked a lot about improving, looks like he's trying to become Mark Henry.
Shame really for someone who talked a lot about improving, looks like he's trying to become Mark Henry.
At a young age wasn't good as Drogba for Jose - still not as good as him. Hasn't worked on his weaknesses & only ever shows his strengths that he has always had.
A player with a huge transfer tag which could lead to a player like De ligt almost nearly coming for a free transfer or close. Sell him.
A player like him playing as the lone striker where the whole team supply him haven't been good enough for teams since Bayern & Dortmund were playing for the CL. It's an old tactic. Madrid, LIVERPOOL, City, Barcelona are arguably some of the top 6 teams in the world and no one would play him as their striker because everyone would have to supply him instead of being a fluid forward that brings others in to the game.
A player with a huge transfer tag which could lead to a player like De ligt almost nearly coming for a free transfer or close. Sell him.
A player like him playing as the lone striker where the whole team supply him haven't been good enough for teams since Bayern & Dortmund were playing for the CL. It's an old tactic. Madrid, LIVERPOOL, City, Barcelona are arguably some of the top 6 teams in the world and no one would play him as their striker because everyone would have to supply him instead of being a fluid forward that brings others in to the game.
I do, if he can play how he does the first 20 mins for the whole 90 he can be devastating.
For his own sake and his career he should move away for a fresh start.
He's 26. If he were going to develop a good first touch he would have it before he was 16.
This idea that you should hold onto a player because you see potential in him is a sunken cost fallacy = "we spent £75m, on no account should be sell for less!" Silly notion, which almost amounts to hoarding. Better to sell so that someone with more need and patience than you can develop that player. Then you are free to develop more promising players. Sometimes the striker is greenwood on the other side of the hill.
This idea that you should hold onto a player because you see potential in him is a sunken cost fallacy = "we spent £75m, on no account should be sell for less!" Silly notion, which almost amounts to hoarding. Better to sell so that someone with more need and patience than you can develop that player. Then you are free to develop more promising players. Sometimes the striker is greenwood on the other side of the hill.
I'd give him another year here if he loses a bit of the muscle weight but wouldn't be heartbroken if he went. There are many more players I'd prefer to see leave though.
He is the best pure striker at the club. Inconsistent first touch aside. His poor season dye to being under his physical peak aside. At his physical peak he has things he can still improve. Above all his movement, and accuracy of his aerial knock downs to team mates. Even his first touch issues is over rated. Its inconsistent, rather than out right poor. So its consistency completely relies on his confidence.
His chief assets are pace, size, finishing and a knack for attacking flanks of defences.
His 'top 6" record is also grossly over played. For he is yet to be in any side that is remotely a consistent threat vs top 6 teams. Especially us. Its not like he gets bucket loafs of chances vs them and just fluffs his lines.
I will always insist. If you place him in a team with two functioning attacking flanks, more than one creative center midfielder, that is good at counter attacks, everything we are currently NOT, He is an asset. Just as he has proved time and again for Belgium. Plus his previous clubs. Conte wasn't a fool to want to build his counter attacking strategy round him
Im in no hurry for us to sell him. But I get why he'd like to leave. He has never been comfortable with bit part football.
For all their problems, Martial and Rashford have both scored goals against all five of our elite rivals in their time with us.
I totally agree with you. There is no chance Lukaku would be picked over Firmino. I doubt that he would even make the Liverpool bench, because he is not their tyoe. Firmino is not a prolific goal scorer, but he contributes massively though his pressing, work rate, positional play and running which creates space for others. Lukaku offers nothing of the sort, neither does he seem inclined to.
What a state of affairs that our main striker would not even make the starting line up of one of our main rivals. Thats how far we have fallen.
Raul Jimenez scored 6 against the top six last season! (4 in the league and 2 in the cup)Fergie's last game, when the title was well and truly won a few weeks back and players were already on vacation mode. This is his record at Everton:
Because unlike Lukaku, they can consistently thrive outside the conditions I described. Lukaku never will. If we are not intent on fixing them, we should dale him like yesterday
Despite his limitations, if he played up front fo City he'd score plenty. Create chances for him and he'll score.Fergie's last game, when the title was well and truly won a few weeks back and players were already on vacation mode. This is his record at Everton:
He's still a more reliable goalscorer than Rashford, we've got far bigger issues everywhere else other than up front.
Or else he just struggles to make an impact against better defenses. Can’t say he ever worried me when we faced him at Everton.
Oversized and we have been shocking tactically under both Mourinho and Ole. He's not playing in a structured system and doesn't have the intuition to make something out of nothing. It's a mixture of him failing the club and the club failing him.
Giroud is better and always been better than Lukaku.
NO.
Out of his depth at United.
How fans still want him to remain at this club is staggering.
Out of his depth at United.
How fans still want him to remain at this club is staggering.
He annoys me now. All that talk about improving and it doesn’t look like he’s done a thing about what is clearly the worst part of his game.
I can’t imagine how anyone wouldn’t improve if they spent an hour a day working on something, so it seems obvious he’s not. With the weight thing on top, I’m just sick of him. It shouldn’t be happening.
I can’t imagine how anyone wouldn’t improve if they spent an hour a day working on something, so it seems obvious he’s not. With the weight thing on top, I’m just sick of him. It shouldn’t be happening.
Exactly - Lukuku's appalling record against the top 6 is not overstated, more likely understated. It's around 1 goal in 23 appearances for Utd, that's absolutely shocking.
I was ok with him during his first season. I think he just doesn't suit the way we want to play. He could do really well in serie A.
Im not convinced of that claim
Everton vs United were not a worrying team since Moyes left. Till we chose to collapse vs them this season
Lukaku = Jozy Altidore Platinum version
His record against the top 6 is appalling.
He ought to be embarrassed about it.
And for people trying to defend him by saying we dont create enough chances, that's true but we create enough for him to do better than one goal against a top 6 side for Utd in 2 seasons.
Just off the top of my head I can recall him missing sitters against Tottenham at home and Arsenal away this season.
He ought to be embarrassed about it.
And for people trying to defend him by saying we dont create enough chances, that's true but we create enough for him to do better than one goal against a top 6 side for Utd in 2 seasons.
Just off the top of my head I can recall him missing sitters against Tottenham at home and Arsenal away this season.
Naismith confirmed as the best player in the league?Fergie's last game, when the title was well and truly won a few weeks back and players were already on vacation mode. This is his record at Everton:
Also, Lukakus goal points (G+A) is 13 in 32 apps, not sure where that ranks, but slightly below 0.5 G/A per game this season.
Potential for Lukaku? ... well, I suppose he could take up boxing.
It will be long drawn negotiations with Inter, considering how they tried to squeeze every penny out of us for Peresic. I don't know where they will get the money to pay for him, so he might still be here next season. I'm surprised they don't have any players that Ole would be interested in, that they could offer in exchange.
Weirdly, I do. He's shown it at Everton and at West Brom. Both times in the PL. At the top level. He has it in him. He just needs a kick up the backside
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