The only thing McTominay has on Lingard is age, physique and not being Lingard. Lingard didn't have a great season, but McTominay didn't have a promising season either. That McTominay is even remotely rated has a lot to do with expectation, standards and romanticism. He is as average as a footballer playing at our level can be.
Summer 2019 Midfield Rebuild
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Icardi on the wing?
What kind of Midfielder is Partey and Rabiot?
I think we need 2 midfielders to come in, maybe 3 if Pogba leaves.
I think Mata will leave
I think we need 2 midfielders to come in, maybe 3 if Pogba leaves.
I think Mata will leave
What does that mean? A number 10, on a 100k a week who can't score, create, assists on regular basis? Who at the age of 26 has 14 career assist? Yeah a 22 year old McTominay is an average footballer, who plays at CM/CDM has only age on his side compared to a nothing footballer playing at number 10, the arguably most demanding positions on the pitch in regards to talent and footballing ability.
Well, he does not post on instagram nor youtube, so caftards naturally doesn't hate him. Lingard does not really play much as a predominant nor nominal 10 too, the only time he got to play there consistently, he was one of our best players. Age, alongside physique are two of the very few things McTominay has on him, and that you keep mentioning 26 and 22 says it all.
We are going into this transfer window with alot oh hope, I am worried that we won't sign any of the players mentioned.
IMO the club need to sign players to get the buzz back for the start of the season. This doesn't mean £100m on a player, just players that have the quality to improve us next season.
It's clear our squad lacks quality, the annoying thing is the amount of money spent by us the starting line up is:-
De Gea - Fergie
Smalling - Fergie
Young - Fergie
Mctominay - Academy
Lingard - Academy
Rashford - Academy
6 of the starting line up have been there since the Fergie days, shows the lack of quality when we have not replaced scholes and Carrick.
IMO the club need to sign players to get the buzz back for the start of the season. This doesn't mean £100m on a player, just players that have the quality to improve us next season.
It's clear our squad lacks quality, the annoying thing is the amount of money spent by us the starting line up is:-
De Gea - Fergie
Smalling - Fergie
Young - Fergie
Mctominay - Academy
Lingard - Academy
Rashford - Academy
6 of the starting line up have been there since the Fergie days, shows the lack of quality when we have not replaced scholes and Carrick.
Ryan Fraser, James Ward-Prowse, James Madison. All additions which would improve our midfield and are attainable.
We have to add real quality to our midfield, we are so weak in there and the thoughts of Mctominay being a starter in there worries me especially if Pogba leaves. He had a few battling performances last year showing desire and spirit but he is still work in progress and will not help us dominate games, we need players who can dictate games.
What about David Brooks at Bournemouth.
Barella, Rodri, Rabiot. 2 out of these 3 and we are golden.
Definitely a very nice prospect, I really think the kid can go all the way to stardom. Alongside him i would add Rabiot. ATM I feel like McT is a step or two below first team quality but he can get there.
Keep Pogba, add Rabiot as a DM, and another CM
have Brooks, McT, Pereira and Fred as quiality prospects/second choice.
sell Matic, at least.
And we will be very much improved
McTominay was one of our only plus points last season. You criticise McTominay as average yet you are a Lingard apologist. If there is one of those 2 players that sums up everything wrong at the club, it certainly isn't McTominay.
Well, McTominay is not everything wrong with the club because he does not post on instagram. As for being one of the only plus points in our season, it is seen that way due to romanticism, standards and expectations around him. If anything, he should be seen as the posterboy of our grossly average season, seeing that he is arguably the most average player in our squad. The likes of Young and Valencia might be on the wane, but they had a few things going for them in their youth. McTominay is decent on the air though, so a bit harsh.
Yes. I have always believed that midfield is absolutely key to a top side. It is the engine room and where games are won and lost.
Our midfield created very few opportunities last season.
Our "rebuild" pretty much depends on our philosophy. If we are going to play a narrow diamond, then we will urgently need technically gifted full backs to provide us width and a heavy midfield reinforcement in order to have hard workers and creative artists. Plus: our forwards need to be mobile enough in case our midfield is being overrun and needs a hand.
Starting to get a bit of an itchy James Rodriguez feeling...
Not sure he'd solve any of the issues we have.
Exactly why we'll sign him. Woodward will jump out of a blimp amidst a firework display to unveil himself, Bale, Ramos and Icardi's wife.
I would rather have Icardis wife than Icardi to be honest.
De Jong and N'Dombele next to Pogba would have been great.
I know Rice is popular here, but a player who can control the pressure and is comfortable on the ball like De Jong is what we need IMO.
I know Rice is popular here, but a player who can control the pressure and is comfortable on the ball like De Jong is what we need IMO.
All of these 3 can exchange places throughout the game. They would just mesmerise defences.
I had this feeling the other day. Seems like something right up woodies street with the added bonus of paying him like 300 to 400k a week.
Rabiot/Rodri (we could at least force City to give him higher wages) and Barella/Tielemans and Pogba would work well.
Get a stable and competent RB, ball playing CB that does not dive into tackles and mobile enough to defend 1v1, and a flexible attacking player and we should be well prepared to get top 4 on paper. As long as we can improve the fitness of the players and teach them to press as a unit.
If those 3 played for us last season, we'd struggle to score goals, just as we did with Rashford, Martial and Lingard.
Our existing personnel aren't great, but I think our tactics need looking at, more than the player quality.
A few years ago, I liked Will Hughes, what do people think about him?
I wonder if we could get Hughes, Ndombélé and Partey for 100m-120m. Or Rabiot instead of Hughes, if people are against it.
I wonder if we could get Hughes, Ndombélé and Partey for 100m-120m. Or Rabiot instead of Hughes, if people are against it.
Hughes is a smart player, with good movement and a decent ability on the ball. Don't think we have seen him at his best, given that when he starts to perform he gets injured. And the number of injuries he has had over the years have seriously impacted his development. Would be a good 5th option if we play a midfield 3, and I think he would do a job in multiple positions. As a flexible squad player, he would be an asset. Not as a starter if we are aiming for top 4.
Partey: £40m-£45m clause IIRC.
N'Dombele: £50m-£60m is what is being mentioned.
Hughes: £25m-£35m would be my guess given contract is until 2022.
Would, personally, prefer Barella, Rabiot, Tielemans, Beek, Rodri and Aouar over the ones you mention. Rodri and Aouar will be difficult and unlikely, Barella is off to Inter it seems.
Buying Tielemans, Beek and Rabiot would cost us around £100m in total. And we would have 3 midfielders that have no real weaknesses and can play CDM/CM or CM/CAM. Makes us very flexible in regards to tactical setup in midfield.
Replacing Matic should've been the priority going into this summer. Now it seems like he's going to be the one that sticks while we try and replace Herrera and potentially Pogba.
Think we need 2 with the assumption that Pogba stays, if he goes 3 would be good as you need Matic/Herrera replacements (sounds like Fernandes is close), for a DMC I would like Rice/Rabiot/Patey and if we need a 3rd, you have a pretty wide choice with Tielemens, Doucoure, Ndombele, Neves, Van Der Beek.
Very good opportunity to shape our midfield for the foreseeable future.
Very good opportunity to shape our midfield for the foreseeable future.
Getting rid of him is more priority than replacing him. I would rather see either Fred or McT in no 6 role than Matic. Matic has been a passenger last season, it’s like play with 10 men on the field when we are defending.
Van den Beek stating he d like to sign for United or Spurs get it done, apparntly very effective in the De Jong role too at the base of midfield.
......Pogba.....Rabiot
.......Van den Beek....
Would be pretty solid as Donny has massive mobility
......Pogba.....Rabiot
.......Van den Beek....
Would be pretty solid as Donny has massive mobility
Would be a midfield to build a team around. Tielemans and Barella would be two other options that would do the job as well.
Fernandes and Van de Beek sound realistic. But we still need a CDM. Who much it would cost Ndidi?
@Fosu-Mens Nope. Ndombele's pricetag is 80M Euros.
Vandebeek, is Available I bet, but there seems to be no Rumours of him going anywhere? Herrera gone, we need a player of his type. Mctominay is ok, that's it for me he gets about Physical, and can get forward, but we need another in there, Matic, is coming to the end, Rice would be perfect for me, if Pogba goes Eriksen would be a good fit as well?
3 in Midfield with Rice, Vanbebeek, Eriksen. Or Pogba Mctominay, Matic, which is what we have now? Out of 3 Possible signings I'd go for Rice 1st, if not him Vandebeek?
3 in Midfield with Rice, Vanbebeek, Eriksen. Or Pogba Mctominay, Matic, which is what we have now? Out of 3 Possible signings I'd go for Rice 1st, if not him Vandebeek?
Has Lyons president stated the price tag of every player in the club to the press?
I am starting to get concerned. We seem to have so much to address, I don't think the midfield will get the attention it deserves. Memories of Fred, Pogba and Matic given the run around by Everton in the 4-0 game is giving some serious ptsd. I don't think I can stand another season of defensively weak midfield with sub par technique. We really should get a couple of midfielders. A dm with decent passing range along with a b2b who can help out in attack and defense.
I can totally see where you are coming from when you say this. Does look like much of this centre midfield rebuild hinges on what happens with Pogba.
------- Bruno Fernandes---------
-----Partey----------------Rabiot
we could have this midfield 3 spending around 110m.
-----Partey----------------Rabiot
we could have this midfield 3 spending around 110m.
Looks very good on the paper. I’ll have confidence before the season started to have that trio in midfield (if Pogba end up leaving).