Really, where did he say so?
James Maddison
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He didn’t say it publicly, it was one of the things that was in the press at the end of the season. Could be nonsense of course but it would better explain how you could fit Pogba, Maddison/Fernandes in a side.
£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
By DLP, I was under the Pirlo, Jorginho impression. I could certainly see him playing in a b2b role though, next to a ball-winner and holding midfielder like Rice or Rodri.
You sure£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
Whoscored have Maddison at 2.8 KP per 90, with half of that being set pieces. Felix got 1.1 KP per game. We will see in 1 year who is the better player.
I really rate Maddison and would love him at United, but even I think £60 million is too much for him.
Leicester are perfectly entitled to value him at that of course, they don’t need or necessarily want to sell.
Leicester are perfectly entitled to value him at that of course, they don’t need or necessarily want to sell.
You might want to check your maths mate£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
I get why it's like it, but it's still utterly mental.
You sure
Was trying to make the point that people’s valuations are way off.You might want to check your maths mate
But my jokes seems even more off today.
Good post. It really seems like there are many people on here who automatically dismiss foreign players as money obsessed and weak willed, and an equal amount of those who instinctually dismiss British players as technically inept and overpriced and if you rate them you are automatically a gammon. The tribalism on this forum is becoming insufferable.
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I like him, and can only see him getting better. Also think he's a player Fergie would have gone for.
When you see the 60m valuation, you get taken back by it, but Coutinho is your benchmark. Also Fred was 50m, Keita 60m. You then get a bit of clarity.
He's not a player I desperately want, but won't be disappointed if we signed him.
When you see the 60m valuation, you get taken back by it, but Coutinho is your benchmark. Also Fred was 50m, Keita 60m. You then get a bit of clarity.
He's not a player I desperately want, but won't be disappointed if we signed him.
They can refuse to meet the valuations as much as they want, end result is that the player won't join them that transfer window.
£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
It's not a bad base of players but we need a defensive midfielder to cover old man Matic.
Maths eh? Fecking hell.£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
Pogbas' best position is #10 same as Maddison, we wouldn't be able to get best out of either and our midfield would get overrun. If you play two #10s along with a DM and a CM that means one lesser player to field out wide.
Stop using City as a metric, they have a proper system in place where the roles are defined. Prior to Pep ending up there Silva was actually used as an LM, and KDB on the right or as a #10 but he's transformed them both into CMs.
We posses exactly zero 'good, quick wide forwards'. Adding a #10 when you already have Pogba for that role is just wasting money especially when its on someone like Maddison who isn't worth the quoted sum.
Don’t worry mate, I was also shite at Math in elementary school.£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
I obviously meant Pogba and Maddison as AMs with one defensive midfielder.
Honestly, Pogba is more of a mix no 10 & no 8. He has asset to be great box to box but lack consistency of being discipline in that role, when he is great he is actually world class box to box. James Maddison on the other hand he’s more like a no 10, can’t see an asset in him to be box to box or no 8.
Playing both Pogba & Maddison in midfield can still work if we play diamond or false 9.
Playing both Pogba & Maddison in midfield can still work if we play diamond or false 9.
Not good enough for us, but man city probablly buying is higher
I salute you, if only I had your faith.
This can only be true if we are selling Pogba. Think Ronaldo and Valencia.
There is absurd hate with lots of poster here about signing any player from mid table team and below who might be ready to step up. This has been the case for sometime now, Mane was branded not good enough here, Van Djik was overrated. This forum and in general United fan seems so entitled bunch that all they seem to want is big name player or the one who is flavor of the month and everyone else is not good enough.
Firstly Pogba will probably leave so we won't have him for that role.
Secondly city can play that way because they have all these number 10 type players. You can't implement a system without having the correct type of players first. So bring in technically gifted players and build from there, not the other way round.
Thirdly rashford clearly is a good quick wide player and martial would be too if he was more motivated. To suggest we lack pace in the wide areas is disengenuous.
Your basic premise is that we couldn't do what city do so we shouldn't bother trying to sign the kind of players they do. That's such a drab mentality.
Think Ronaldo actually did stuff for us. I can't recall Pogba doing anything of note apart from that brace against city.
£70m AWB
£15m Collins
£30m Longstaff
£70m Maddison
£15m James
Only £150m.
This guy's a terrific player and he's worth a punt simply because he has in him -I hope- the potential to be that metronomic midfielder dictating the tempo and outcome of a game we've lacked since Carrick. But the numbers are, as usual, a total bitch. That said, if we get 100 for Pogba, I'd spunk half of it on him. I mean, that's what Fred cost...
Agreed, there’s a massive lack of balance on most topics.
Only Leicester player we should be signing is Ndidi.
Maddison is really uninspiring.
Maddison is really uninspiring.
Seriously?
I beg to differ. It’s common crap. Go to the Mane thread and point out where the majority did not want him. We didn’t know much about him but was vet impressed with his displays against Chelsea. Was we not excited about Schneiderlin to?
Your argument just sounds good. But at the end of the day people on here like quality players and we aren’t going to be impressed with links to mediocrity. It’s that simple.
We moan about the best stat wise midfielder in Paul Pogba. Why do you expect us to be impressed with Maddison based on stats. We’ll judge him how he is as a player.
As far as I’m concerned he’s exactly where he needs to be. Yes we could sign him and he could improve. But we aren’t in that position now. The less risks we take the better. He’s the worse option out of there midfield 3.
Honestly it's gotten annoying. Watch them in a couple of years, ask why we didn't go for him. Robertson, wijnaldum, mane and vad dijk all bought from midtable teams or relegated teams.
Yet another example of us taking a lazy approach to scouting. We SHOULD have been aware of players like Madison when he was at Norwich, you HAVE to identify players early now....by the time they get to other PL clubs it's too late*
*I've been through this a million times elsewhere but the new TV deal signed in 2016 meant that for the first time in a long time, the majority of the PL clubs actually operated at a profit - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-clubs-profit-record-revenues-tv-deal
The 'transfer inflation' we have seen since 2016 has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with clubs 'ruining the market' and has VERY LITTLE to do with oil money. The single and sole reason for the increase in prices is that clubs no longer have to sell their assets to survive. Therefore, they can relax and say 'hey....you want our best player....try £100m....' - whereas during SAFs time in charge, pretty much ANY PL player from a non-top 2/3 club was available at a reasonable price because clubs would otherwise be running at a loss
The challenge now for clubs like United is that we HAVE to be able to identify players earlier. Look at our strategy between 2000-2010, for example. We signed the likes of Berbatov, Ferdinand, Carrick and Rooney from other PL clubs...this is not going to be tenable going forward. If you want these players now, you have to gamble and take them in their Bayer Leverkusen, Leeds, West Ham, Everton Youth years before they are the finished article
*I've been through this a million times elsewhere but the new TV deal signed in 2016 meant that for the first time in a long time, the majority of the PL clubs actually operated at a profit - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-clubs-profit-record-revenues-tv-deal
The 'transfer inflation' we have seen since 2016 has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with clubs 'ruining the market' and has VERY LITTLE to do with oil money. The single and sole reason for the increase in prices is that clubs no longer have to sell their assets to survive. Therefore, they can relax and say 'hey....you want our best player....try £100m....' - whereas during SAFs time in charge, pretty much ANY PL player from a non-top 2/3 club was available at a reasonable price because clubs would otherwise be running at a loss
The challenge now for clubs like United is that we HAVE to be able to identify players earlier. Look at our strategy between 2000-2010, for example. We signed the likes of Berbatov, Ferdinand, Carrick and Rooney from other PL clubs...this is not going to be tenable going forward. If you want these players now, you have to gamble and take them in their Bayer Leverkusen, Leeds, West Ham, Everton Youth years before they are the finished article
You're quoting the best examples of players who have succeeded at a higher level. There are many many more players purchased from lower leagues by Premiership clubs who have not fulfilled their potential at higher levels and have lost the clubs money. Basically, it's not that simple as you describe.
Why, because he is the English one?
To be fair, I remember no one on here wanted Mané. Myself included.
I do however agree with the bold. We should be buying specific players to fill the obvious holes, not another Mkhitaryan or Mata type that we'll struggle to fit into the starting 11 and keep everyone happy.
His point is it's worked incredibly well for Liverpool because they've scouted properly and identified players from lesser teams that can be Liverpool quality. You'd hope we've done the same with players we've been linked with like James, Maddison, Longstaff etc.
van Dyck was hardly a player from the lower leagues with Liverpool paying a hefty fee. United also wanted Mane. Granted, Robertson has been very good. Wijnaldom is nothing special, in my opinion.
Not really.
Certainly worked out better than Smalling, Jones and Shaw (with the latter 2 coming for hefty fees at the time).
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