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Oh my god, why are we after players from Norwich?! Waaa waaa I'm so spoilt waaa waa.
 

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Gonna be interesting when people have to switch from pretending they're over the moon with championship players to panicking we have no quality.
 

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Are you going to push for Meunier in every transfer thread concerning other right backs?
:lol: This from the game who spammed his hatred for Herrera in any and every thread he was allowed to post in. Hi pot, meet kettle.
 

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What has happened to Dalot? Is he going to get more playing time?
We need 3 fullbacks next season, just got to do some rotation.

Aarons looks like something special btw, hope we are in for him, miles better then O'Connor and TFM. Never seen Norwich play though.
 

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Nailed on to be a class player he's more promising than any fullbacks in our youth ranks.

The delusion on here is hilarious some will turn their nose up at the likes of De Ligt to develop the old guard like Paddy McNair, Blackett etc. Aside Gomes and Greenwood the jury is out with all the other youth prospects, look what happen to Gribbin hero to zero within two years.
 

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Based on the showreel he could be a find - young, rapid, brave, comfortable with the ball at his feet. Get him looked at properly and get it done FFS. Forget City, Dippers and the European elite, we have to outrun Spurs, Arsenal, Everton and Wolves first.
 

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Nailed on to be a class player he's more promising than any fullbacks in our youth ranks.

The delusion on here is hilarious some will turn their nose up at the likes of De Ligt to develop the old guard like Paddy McNair, Blackett etc. Aside Gomes and Greenwood the jury is out with all the other youth prospects, look what happen to Gribbin hero to zero within two years.
Based on what I read here about Gribbin he was nailed on to be the next Giggs or some shit
 

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Yeah, Aarons is a completely different profile of fullback compared to AWB. We could really do with both and we can finally replace all Valencia, Young and Darmian.
If we did that we would need to do more than that, Dalot is done too.
 

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Yeah, Aarons is a completely different profile of fullback compared to AWB. We could really do with both and we can finally replace all Valencia, Young and Darmian.
While I would love that, it will never happen. We spend 20 Mill on Dalot, no way are we buying AWB for 50 (at least) and Aarons for 20-30 mill because that's 100 million spend on three young FBs who are still inconsistent. It's either Aarons or AWB and I hope it's the former
 

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I've just never seen it with Dalot if I'm honest. But the club will waste 5 or so years on him.

With Max Aarons you can definitely see the talent.
I’m not in total disagreement with this tbh. Any faith I have is largely blind and based on all the lovely things his school teachers said about him when he signed. Every half positive thing I’ve turned into evidence of him being ‘the best young right back in the world’, and the things that are less impressive I’ve just attached to the usual ‘young, new country, new league’ etc. Based on what I’ve seen with my own eyes, he hasn’t looked a nailed on top right back by any stretch. From the very first time I saw him I posted that I felt he was too slow, and his lack of athleticism is still a concern for me.

That said, I am still hopeful, but almost solely on the basis of all the lovely things that were said about him when he joined us. You have to think there’s more to come.
 

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Would be amazing to sign the next big things in the Prem before they actually become the next big things for a fecking change. James and Aarons would be a good start.
 

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Would rather have him than AWB. Made a thread about him not that long ago:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/max-aarons.447849/#post-24186340

I know that english football culture have a tendency to evaluate a fullback mainly on his ability to defend. And since a fullback is a defender I guess that makes sense. In some teams and systems it might be a good approach too.

If you play a defensive and reactive football you will probably be happy with your fullback if he is rock solid defending, but offers little going forward. But there is a problem with that in a more proactive and attacking team, the way I see it.

If a player offer little going forward, there is an inherent limitation to his potential overall contribution depending on the other team. The player will not do much more than help stop the other team through defending. If you can attack there is, in theory, no limitation to your potential contribution going forward.

The best teams in the PL limit the other teams through sheer domination of play. Take Liverpool as an example. Trent Alexander-Arnold is not a very good defender and certainly not at AWBs level in my opinion. I doubt that AWB would struggle against Rashford the way TAA has. Regardless, Liverpool still only conceeded 22 goals this year.

Would Liverpool conceed much less with a better player than TAA? Probably not. Despite his limitations defending, its good enough most of the time. And the other teams are, knowing the attacking threat TAA represent, careful when attacking. Being a better defender would have a very limited value to TAA.

Attacking wise, on the other side, there does not appear to be a limitation to his contribution currently. He has offered more assists and key passes than most attacking midfielders (and a lot of attackers), including our very own Paul Pogba. And unfortunatly, I think there is a lot more to come from him!

That is why I would be very careful paying a lot of money for a fullback who has only proven that he is great at defending. If we develop our team the way we should, being a great defender will be of limited value compared to being a great attacker. Being good on the ball will be of huge importance and value. Both to create a team that can dominate with the ball and to the attacking contribution he will provide against some of the defensive, reactive low-block type of teams we face.

I can not say for sure that AWB does not have more to his game than what he has shown at Crystal Palace. He probably has. But I would be very surprised if he had the same passing ability (linkup, through balls, crosses) and flair as players like Robertson and Trent-Arnold. If he do, he would be one of Palace best weapon going forward and I’m sure Hodgson would try to make use of that to a bigger degree than what he has.

Max Aarons do not have the same crossing ability as Trent-Arnold. But on other areas, he is even better going forward. His ball control and low gravity almost makes him reminicent of David Silva or Bernardo Silva. He also have, like Trent-Arnold and Robertson, the ability to quickly spot an attacking opportunity going forward.

In short, I feel much more confident in Aarons ability as an attacking fullback. AWB might have potential, but has yet to prove it.
Great post.

Anything over 40m is overpriced for AWB in my opinion, we shouldn't allow clubs to take us to the cleaners for anything but the best of the best (I'm thinking the likes of De Ligt here).

Aarons / Dalot with Laird possibly coming through over the next couple of years sounds like a dream.
 

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Great post.

Anything over 40m is overpriced for AWB in my opinion, we shouldn't allow clubs to take us to the cleaners for anything but the best of the best (I'm thinking the likes of De Ligt here).

Aarons / Dalot with Laird possibly coming through over the next couple of years sounds like a dream.
Except Aarons/Dalot can't defend and so we will continue to ship goals at a stupid rate. Dalot actually can't do anything based on the evidence of last season so in fact this is more of a nightmare than a dream. AWB is already better than Walker and Walker cost 50 million 2 years ago, thinking we can get him for 40 million is asinine.
 

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Except Aarons/Dalot can't defend and so we will continue to ship goals at a stupid rate. Dalot actually can't do anything based on the evidence of last season so in fact this is more of a nightmare than a dream. AWB is already better than Walker and Walker cost 50 million 2 years ago, thinking we can get him for 40 million is asinine.
Fair point, we definitely wouldn't be as solid with either of those two in place of an AWB type, from a purely defensive point of view.

The point which I think the poster I quoted earlier on made very well would be, is that what we should be looking for at full back? I don't think so.

Shaw is a great defender, Lindelof has improved immensely last season (although im still unsure long term). I'd say a solid CB & DM would leave us looking much improved defensively, with an Aarons / Dalot / Meunier type there on the right to provide balance.

But hey, if it means I don't have to watch Young impersonating a footballer anymore I'd chip in for AWB myself at this point.
 

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These are the kind of players we should be targeting. I like him a lot. Although different types of fullbacks, he would be a good back up option to Wan-Bissaka. Fantastic going forward.
 

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While I would love that, it will never happen. We spend 20 Mill on Dalot, no way are we buying AWB for 50 (at least) and Aarons for 20-30 mill because that's 100 million spend on three young FBs who are still inconsistent. It's either Aarons or AWB and I hope it's the former
Why do you want Aarons? I'm curious, don't know hardly anything about him.

Think I would prefer Aarons over AWB to be fair.
Why do you want Aarons? I'm curious, don't know hardly anything about him.
 

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And why would Aarons want to join Crystal Palace? I could definitely see Norwich finishing ahead of Crystal Palace next season. And you would think Spurs would also be interested in Aarons with Trippier possibly leaving.
 

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Why do you want Aarons? I'm curious, don't know hardly anything about him.
From the little I've seen of him, he looks to have great technique and also looks very good going forward. AWB while defensively superior, lacks the technical ability and attacking prowess required by a modern FB. AWB reminds me of a better defensive version of Valencia playing at RB, whereas Aarons looks like a technically good CM playing at RB. Not to mention the cost
 

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Why do you want Aarons? I'm curious, don't know hardly anything about him.
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Championship young player of the year at age 19 years old. Looks to have great technical ability for a RB and I prefer attacking fullbacks. This is my preferred target of young players rather than James who is more of a punt. When people cite Dele Alli or James Madison, people forget that Alli was young player of the year at age 18. James Maddison was part of the team of the season. Max Aarons looks more similar to Alli than a Daniel James. That's also why I was in favor of getting Ryan Sessegnon, who was player of the season at age 17. He had a down season at age 18 and people have now written him off.

I'm all for buying young talent, so long as they're big talents at a very young age. I'm also a big fan of the English generation born in 2000-2001.
 

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We've only signed one player thus far. It don't matter where they come from. Providing it's proper scouting and not being cheap to paper over cracks. We need numbers at this point but it's also how we manage these players.
 

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Except Aarons/Dalot can't defend and so we will continue to ship goals at a stupid rate. Dalot actually can't do anything based on the evidence of last season so in fact this is more of a nightmare than a dream. AWB is already better than Walker and Walker cost 50 million 2 years ago, thinking we can get him for 40 million is asinine.
Aarons is a good defender.
 

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Would rather have him than AWB. Made a thread about him not that long ago:

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/max-aarons.447849/#post-24186340

I know that english football culture have a tendency to evaluate a fullback mainly on his ability to defend. And since a fullback is a defender I guess that makes sense. In some teams and systems it might be a good approach too.

If you play a defensive and reactive football you will probably be happy with your fullback if he is rock solid defending, but offers little going forward. But there is a problem with that in a more proactive and attacking team, the way I see it.

If a player offer little going forward, there is an inherent limitation to his potential overall contribution depending on the other team. The player will not do much more than help stop the other team through defending. If you can attack there is, in theory, no limitation to your potential contribution going forward.

The best teams in the PL limit the other teams through sheer domination of play. Take Liverpool as an example. Trent Alexander-Arnold is not a very good defender and certainly not at AWBs level in my opinion. I doubt that AWB would struggle against Rashford the way TAA has. Regardless, Liverpool still only conceeded 22 goals this year.

Would Liverpool conceed much less with a better player than TAA? Probably not. Despite his limitations defending, its good enough most of the time. And the other teams are, knowing the attacking threat TAA represent, careful when attacking. Being a better defender would have a very limited value to TAA.

Attacking wise, on the other side, there does not appear to be a limitation to his contribution currently. He has offered more assists and key passes than most attacking midfielders (and a lot of attackers), including our very own Paul Pogba. And unfortunatly, I think there is a lot more to come from him!

That is why I would be very careful paying a lot of money for a fullback who has only proven that he is great at defending. If we develop our team the way we should, being a great defender will be of limited value compared to being a great attacker. Being good on the ball will be of huge importance and value. Both to create a team that can dominate with the ball and to the attacking contribution he will provide against some of the defensive, reactive low-block type of teams we face.

I can not say for sure that AWB does not have more to his game than what he has shown at Crystal Palace. He probably has. But I would be very surprised if he had the same passing ability (linkup, through balls, crosses) and flair as players like Robertson and Trent-Arnold. If he do, he would be one of Palace best weapon going forward and I’m sure Hodgson would try to make use of that to a bigger degree than what he has.

Max Aarons do not have the same crossing ability as Trent-Arnold. But on other areas, he is even better going forward. His ball control and low gravity almost makes him reminicent of David Silva or Bernardo Silva. He also have, like Trent-Arnold and Robertson, the ability to quickly spot an attacking opportunity going forward.

In short, I feel much more confident in Aarons ability as an attacking fullback. AWB might have potential, but has yet to prove it.
Thanks! I enjoyed reading this.

Add a few more statistics, you could be our very own Phaseofplay of RAWK.
 

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Any Norwich fans who can vouch for this guy?
In my opinion, he'd be a better all-round buy than AWB, for a lot less of a fee. He was brilliant for us this season. He is great at defending and reads the game excellently. Because of his blistering pace, noboby can get past him with speed. Offensively he is superb, linking up play with the forwards and he has great ball control and delivery. His only weakness is headers, he's not that tall! If you go on YouTube there's a decent video of his abilities. We're desperatley hoping that he stays with us next season!
 

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not seen much of this guy but looks pretty good. I feel Wan is hugely over-hyped
 

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Either way Let’s hope our scouts and management can start getting more hits than misses on the board asap. We really need things to pick up in that respect. He looks a really tidy player. Question, Would laird be able to do what he’s just done in the championship? I’m not sure Dalot is going to be the answer either. This is the thing when you buy potential, it needs competition either way.
 

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We can shift Dalot to Left side and still go for both AWB/Aarons as we need to replace Ashley Young too.

2 out of AWB/Aarons/Cancelo/Semedo/Sandro would fix our RB/LB problems
 

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Norwich fan here, Max Aaron’s is a star in the making no doubt but truth is, untill he’s proved it, even Norwich fans can’t be sure he will take to the premier league.
What I am sure of is he, as much as any other player I’ve ever seen in the championship has the potential ability and mentality to go to whatever level he chooses.
Frankly the composure, maturity and skill shown in his first ever professional season was nothing short of a joke.
Is he ready for a united team that don’t have the time/patience other clubs have? I’m not sure but I believe he’s a name many top clubs will want in the near future
 
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https://www.skysports.com/share/11739742

Apparently our second choice if we don’t get Wan Bissaka, at least we’re targeting the right type of players and trying to address problem positions.
From ‘Sky Sport News understands that United are interested’, you conclude that we are targeting him and it’s ‘apparent’ that he is our second choice for RB?

It’s a rumour. Ie an internet fairy tale. You don’t know who United are targeting, nor do I.