Yeah, agree with both posts.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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100% yes. The lad is a big talent. He walks into our team and instantly improves us massively.
Last season was his breakthrough year. He has Walker, Trippier and Alexander Arnold all ahead of him in the England pecking order. So I wouldn’t read to much into the fact that he’s not an England regular yet.
He’ll duke it out with Alexander Arnold to be the undisputed number one right back for England long term.
I’m going to be massively disappointed if this doesn’t happen. The thought of Young or Darmian playing most games next season at RB is
.The shoes in the video are even uglier than mine.
Although I have now moved on to the Hu lineup from Pharrell Williams.
Hodgson is a very negative manager as well. He’ll be given a lot more license to get forward at United.
Once again, people have to catch up to the reality we now live in. Hyper inflation has destroyed evaluations of players. As i posted in this very thread. In 2016 Koulibaly was considered to be the second most expensive CB in the HISTORY of football at 38 million pounds in a rumoured transfer to Chelsea.
We had a 95 million pound offer rejected by Napoli and it is now considered that Koulibaly will not leave for a fee below 133 million pounds. Do you think 3 years equals close to 100 million pounds of development?
We either buy the targets we need for whatever price they cost, play young/dalot or risk an academy player.
People can put stats or caveat as much as they want about systems and teammates, but simply watching football with your eyes will show you just how superior Alexander-Arnold is at playing football.
He’s much better at crossing that’s it. But there’s no one else with his crossing ability so why does he keep being brought into the conversation?
AWB is the best all round fullback in England imho. Would I pay it? Hell yes
You don't develop technical skills by being given more freedom to go forward. Same thing can be said about Darmian, he is also a great defensive fullback that was given freedom to go forward at United, look where he is now. AWB looks like a drunk stumbling forward, once defenders figure out his drunken dribbling style, I fear he will never be able to beat a defender one on one again. Clumsy players will always remind clumsy.
If football is only about attacking. TAA is nowhere close to AWB when it comes to defending, he still have lapses of concentration despite the fact that Liverpool dominates most games and he rarely gets attacked. AWB played for a significantly weaker team, have his team dominated most of the time yet he completely destroyed any attacker 1v1 last season.
It's mostly about attacking if you want to be a good team. You spend 60% of the game with the ball at your feet, and outscoring your opposition is what wins you games. And winning games is 3x more valuable than getting a draw.
Yes. City bought three full backs for 120 million quid.
Trent is also a much better passer of the ball.
The gap between the attacking output of AWB and TAA is indeed enormous, but, as you say, so is the gap between Palace and Liverpool (although Palace were not awful in that regard - they scored more goals than Wolves).
Anyway, comparing Wan Bissaka to the league overall, of the 72 players who started at least 6 games at fullback this season, AWB was 53rd for crosses completed/90 and 60th for chances created/90, behind such attacking heavyweights as Joe Bennett, Matthew Lowton, Gaetan Bong, DeAndre Yedlin, Joe Bryan etc etc etc all of whom played for sides that scored fewer goals than Palace.
Not sure why the club is so obsessed with him. He better turn out good if we do sign him. We only signed Dalot last year and i feel we should be grooming and using him instead. He isn't going to improve if he doesn't play or keeps sitting on the bench
Have you got the numbers to see how he compares to Shaw? Shaw constantly gets shit on here for how poor he is going forward, so it would be interesting to see how AWB compares against him.
This is the consequence of the manager merry-go-round. Maybe i'm being too harsh, but Ole seems to have no time for Dalot. If he doesn't see him fitting in the "ole system" what is the club going to do? force ole to play him?
Do you seriously think this? Alexander-Arnold is 20 years old and has played a key role in a side who has reached two consecutive Champions League finals.
Wan-Bissaka is a good player, but there’s a comprehensive level between the two.
You really expecting a RB to be winning you games day in day out? TAA is an outstanding attacking full back, but just because AWB doesn't compare to him attacking wise doesn't mean he is a bad option.
no matter what side you're on, Why are we debating TAA and AWB? We aren't going to buy TAA, going by the rumours, Ole has no time or desire to make Dalot first choice. AWB has likely been shortlisted by Ole as a critical signing.
You either want AWB or you don't, fees are irrelevant. Wouldn't it be much more productive to talk about the rumours, actual credible alternatives with credible rumours and how he might fit in an Ole system?
You either want AWB or you don't, fees are irrelevant. Wouldn't it be much more productive to talk about the rumours, actual credible alternatives with credible rumours and how he might fit in an Ole system?
Considering our defence has been shit collectively and individually, It makes sense to have a defender who can actually defend. Just like every signing we hope he turns out good,What a Odd comment to make.
I think we'll look to turn Dalot into a RW as he's simply not shown anything as a defensive player.
That shows that passing judgement based on a couple of numbers is nonsense. Stats are for losers.
It’s the people who are actually trying to place Wan-Bissaka on a similar level which is the issue here.
It’s completely fine to want him and consider him a good player without having to compare him to a player who’s significantly better.
Chances created/90 mins
Young: 1.4
Shaw: 1.2
Wan Bissaka: 0.5
Crosses completed/90 mins
Young: 1.3
Shaw: 0.5
Wan Bissaka: 0.3
That is because is he plays for palace
Aaron Wan-Bissaka 20/21 thread is going to be in meltdown if he doesn't improve significantly. I imagine he'll get the shiny new toy benefit next season before the vultures come out.
Kyle Walker is 69th out of 70 players in crosses completed per 90 mins. There isn't a single player who had worse crosses completed per 90 mins than Walker.
Ben Davies is 55th in crosses completed per 90 mins
[Irrelevant point] is 57th in crosses completed per 90 mins
Jonny is 58th
One is a PL winner, one is a Europa league winner, one is a CL finalist and all 3 clubs finished above ManUtd.
I did this above - of the 72 players who have started at least 6 games at fullback this season, AWB is 53rd for crosses completed and 60th for chances created.
He’s a defensive fullback. No point sugar coating it or make excuses re Palaces playing style. His output from an attacking sense will take a few years to develop much like Dalots defensive weaknesses.
AWB is miles ahead of TAA in the defensive aspects. Klopp even dropped him in the first leg against Barca. TAA is an amazing creative outlet but AWB is a better all round fullback. Imho of course.
In fact I’d go as far as saying we shouldn’t compare them because TAA spends so little time defending.
You all want someone who can cross and create as much as TAA but that player doesn’t exist yet so we may as well buy the next best thing - a rock solid RB who will lock down the right hand side
If we signed a fantastic attacking player, would we be bitching about how shit they are defensively?
Which is probably why Guardiola and City are probably going to spunk another 50m on Cancelo this summer.
I don't know why people are working so hard to deny what is absolutely obvious on any objective analysis.
AWB is an excellent fullback defensively and a poor fullback offensively. That doesn't make him a bad player.
Last year Walker was 94th out of 94 (among FBs) in cross completion, I didn't see City linked with any RB in 2019.
The other player who was just head of Walker was Delph and Danilo in 93rd and 92nd position and these are the FBs for the team that shat in league for 2 seasons.
Go ahead and let us know how City are playing with defensive FBs
Last season Robertson 62nd in cross completion per 90 mins out of 94 players and Wan Bissaka was 54th. If you filter it down to FBs who played at least 10 games then out of 60 players
Walker - 60th
Delph - 59th
Danilo - 58
Bellerin - 52
Kolasinac - 50
Coleman - 42
Robertson - 34
Ashley young - 5th
Walker - 60th
Delph - 59th
Danilo - 58
Bellerin - 52
Kolasinac - 50
Coleman - 42
Robertson - 34
Ashley young - 5th
You genuinely can't say he's poor going forward, when that was never his main objective at Palace.
He was to win the ball back and give it straight to Zaha/Townsend to counter. He isn't asked to overlap and cross, that's Van Aanholt's job.
Until he's in our squad or Palace play more progessively we can't see that.
England U21's play france next week so it'll be a good comparison to see how he does in a more progressive team.
That is odd. He was a right back at Porto and Mourinho bought him here to play as a right back. And suddenly he's not shown anything to be a defensive player? Mourinho knows a good defender better than you and me when he sees one
Of course he better turn out good if we are using all our time and resources to try and sign him when Palace don't seem to want to sell and Muenier is readily available to buy now for less than half the price
To me that sound like we should be signing Van Aanholt instead of Wan-Bissaka.
City don't rely on their fullbacks to provide attacking width because, unlike pretty much every other top side in Europe, they don't usually play with inverted wingers. Instead, the fullbacks play a hybrid midfield role, generally tucking in, blocking off counterattacks and assisting in the buildup (which is why Pep often plays actual midfielders in these positions), while the wingers position themselves wide.
Perhaps we'll play with a similar system next season, in which case AWB's lack of attacking ability won't be an issue (although his passing ability would be). Or perhaps we'll continue with a diamond formation, in which case the attacking prowess of the fullbacks will be absolutely vital. Either way, there's no particular reason for us all to have to deny the absolutely obvious.
Played 6 games for porto and why does it matter if Jose bought him? Does it automatically mean he's done better when clearly he's been as shit as young defensively. Not sure there is any argument for him with his bad defensive displays. Had his best games when played as a RW.
Don't get the hype around Muenier, good going forward but not so good at the back.
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