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Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Van Aanholt isn't a good defender, he's more of a winger turned LB.
Wan Bissaka is the far better player in terms of defending.
Yeah all good mate, interesting one really is see how different fans see different players differently from each era, McGrath! great shout, him and my al man loved Martin Buchan.
All top CB's, as you say, all head and bloody shoulders above our current crop!
Who was in charge of them stats, Stevie Wonder?
Robertson is in a different league to Young in terms of final ball. Just shows you how stats can be completely misleading. Liverpool have the best two fullbacks in the league.
AWB in my opinion is worth £55m. Not sure why so many people are getting mad. Compared to other full backs, who are English, with that quality, AWB going for £55m is about right in this market.
Yeah these stats make no sense. We can only know the quality of a player's crossing by seeing it first hand.
Probably not in those words but people saying how he was pretty average and not very good going forward, calm down with your serious tone, tongue and cheek mate
Poch plays with attacking FBs and they play higher up the pitch, Ben Davies is below AWB's in cross completion. Same with Alonso who is very attacking FB, if anything he is a wingback with very good delivery and he is below AWB in cross completion.
Also Pep use fullback to provide width but they don't usually play many crosses. They rely on cut backs and FBs are used to stretch the game.
There is more to the attacking game than just cross completion and key passes, if so we won't be working very hard to replace Ashley Young who is good in these stats. Both Crystal Palace FBs have played around 50 crosses all season, which looks like a tactic than weakness. Maybe this has something to do with not playing Benteke as regular striker anymore and playing Zaha and others as attackers.
Going by your stats, Roberton is 25th in cross completion per 90 mins, Young is 6th. Young is 7th and Robertson is 8th in key passes. Anyone really believe Young is as good as Roberton as attacking Fullback?
Obviously AWB is not as good as TAA, Robertson in crosses (well he is not better than them in most attacking aspects) but doesn't mean he isn't good in attacking game. He is good in carrying the ball, making driving runs taking on defenders, has good link up play. For now his final pass is not good but that's something that can be improved with more options in the final third and experience.
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Or maybe all these full backs aren't as good at crossing as people think, because they only see the highlights for most of them.
And that brings me to my second point here :
We rely on individual quality a lot more than our rivals. Our fans and the media turn a lot quicker on the players and highlight their limitations as the reasons for our failures. Paul Pogba is the prime example of this.
He'd be an excellent signing. I read elsewhere Ole wants another right-sided player too so along with James we could have three new players down the right hand side.
I agree with that. We rely on individual qualities and I don't remember the last time we really played as team. Somehow our fans are led to believe we have to choose style or results and we can't play any other style than shit football hoping some magic will happen in games to get the result.
All the talk is about players, signings, manager backed or not, social media, downed tools, mentality when we should be asking why after 3 years we can't play as a team, why from 3rd in distance covered we went to 20th position for last 3 years, why our fitness is so shit that playing with half intensity makes players drop like a dead flies.
Hopefully Dalot will cover both flanks ahead of Young too.
First hand or in the case of Young, first shin.
See, this is type of shit that makes my blood boil. I doubt this stat is calculated as a percentage of crosses attempted divided by successful attempts per 90 which means it’s useless. And if it is, it just isn’t remotely correct.
This isn’t baseball, FFS.
This is Total number of crosses completed and then divided by mins and multiplied by 90 if I'm not wrong.
The one you are looking for is cross accuracy.
Cross completion, cross completion percentage is as useful as pass completion. Which is useless. A beautifully whipped cross which just misses the attacker is a cross not completed, a floated cross which beats everyone and collected by the winger at other end is a cross completed.
Edit: The stats are correct, it's just a difference of how one interprets it.
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Personally think he would be a top signing, defensively very very good, a lot of potential going forward and he can't be any worse than Young. Him and Dalot for the right hand side for years to come will do me, very happy.
Sounds like he is after a more experienced right hand side attacker. Sounds like if Mata and Sanchez go (which is quite likely, hopefully), then James could be Martial's back up (until he maybe dislodges him) as he seems a left winger rather than right.
Hopefully he goes for someone like Lozano for the right, who can also play as a CF. Quick, very good finisher, good on the ball.
Wan Biasska/Lozano would be an insane upgrade from Young/Lingard.
Sounds like he is after a more experienced right hand side attacker. Sounds like if Mata and Sanchez go (which is quite likely, hopefully), then James could be Martial's back up (until he maybe dislodges him) as he seems a left winger rather than right.
Hopefully he goes for someone like Lozano for the right, who can also play as a CF. Quick, very good finisher, good on the ball.
Wan Biasska/Lozano would be an insane upgrade from Young/Lingard.
That stat says Young was an elite crosser last season while Robertson was mediocre. Anyone with a pair of eyes who’s kicked a ball knows that’s absolute bollocks.
And that was the point of the post. If you followed the conversation, you would have known it.
I admire Wan Bisaka for his defensive skills, more importantly his ability to tackle. Something United hasn't had since the SAF era.
Imagine if Smalling or Jones could lay a tackle?
This is the right move and if discussions are under way, then it's only a matter of time.
Imagine if Smalling or Jones could lay a tackle?
This is the right move and if discussions are under way, then it's only a matter of time.
Oh, I was agreeing with you. It just seems like even if the application is correct many stats don’t remotely tell the tale in football.
That is shockingly bad from Shaw, though not all that surprising when you watch him. Looking at his stats prior to joining United you can see he had a crossing rate of 0.8. How the feck has he not progressed in terms of attacking assertiveness? As others have said, he gets a pass due to their being more immediate problems that need dealing with, but something has to give on that left flank. Can't we get Evra in as part of the coaching staff?
Evra vs. Shaw comparison. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...vra-complete-comparison-of-the-two-left-backs
Most likely due to him being injured alot after that leg break. This is his first season at United where he's played more than 20 games. Hopefully he stays injury free and continues to improve at both ends, only 23.
Love it when people complain that as a defender he is too defensive. Last season we looked shocking at the back all season. If Wan Bisska can come in and help us become more rigid i am more then happy. Let the attacking players do there job whilst he helps out the defence
It's impossible to win on this forum.
Had we signed Meunier, people would then be questioning why we've gone for a player who is defensively suspect when we conceded 54 goals in the league alone.
feck off.
Had we signed Meunier, people would then be questioning why we've gone for a player who is defensively suspect when we conceded 54 goals in the league alone.
feck off.
Haha mate you say a players name on here you get pounded into the ground, get into one argument/debate with someone who is having a go at you and you get threatened by the staff for not behaving and breaking rules.
Can't do anything haha
Opinions are like butt holes, everyone’s got one
Some people have two, I saw it on TV once.
And some have none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperforate_anus
I think he will be good signing boys. Being very good defensively is what we need at the moment. Attacking can come also from other departments. Beside that he can still improve himself offensively, it's not like he is done and dusted 29 years old player.
Apparently he's asked to leave CP
Best post in the thread.
Sauce?
HP all day
The Sun
The Sun haha if they are saying he wants to leave I'm expecting an announcement today saying he has signed a new 5 year deal
I'm no medical doctor but I can't for the life of me make out what the feck that x ray is supposed to show.
There's no hole where the bum hole is supposed to be. ( that's where the pointer is).
Just cough up the £60m and get this done please, then I can start my own little muppet summer
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