Pogba Future

Would you accept Dybala and Sandro for Pogba?


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Selling your best players is never good. The team suffers and as others have alluded to it doesn't look good when you're looking to entice other players to join. On the other hand might wringing the most money possible from Juve now, getting shut and moving on to other targets with the war chest be the best thing for us to do from this point?
 

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I don't believe the 500k rumour one bit. Why do we have a CL clause in the players contract which ruduces their wage should we fail to get in the CL, then offer Pogba a double your money payrise? Bollocks :lol:
 

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Selling your best players is never good. The team suffers and as others have alluded to it doesn't look good when you're looking to entice other players to join.
He might be your most talented player, but he's just not good for your team.

I feel the same way about Neymar at PSG. If they sold him and re-invested the proceeds wisely, they could be so much better.
 

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We won’t do anything significant with or without Pogba. So what’s the point in keeping him? Even in the best case (highly unrealistic scenario) where he suddenly gets a good attitude, works hard, and consistently performs, we would still struggle to get into the top 4.

A more realistic scenario is he continues to put in the odd brilliant performance and the odd diabolical performance amongst bang-average performances.

People talk like replacing Pogba is difficult. Sure, if he performed at his best week in week out then yes. He’d be irreplaceable. But the Pogba who turns out for us week in week out is not that guy and is absolutely replaceable.

It’s time people realise that the Pogba who could be will never be at our club. H wants to leave, let him go. I’m sure he will do great at Madrid, but he will never do great here.
We won’t do anything significant with or without Pogba. So what’s the point in keeping him? Even in the best case (highly unrealistic scenario) where he suddenly gets a good attitude, works hard, and consistently performs, we would still struggle to get into the top 4.

A more realistic scenario is he continues to put in the odd brilliant performance and the odd diabolical performance amongst bang-average performances.

People talk like replacing Pogba is difficult. Sure, if he performed at his best week in week out then yes. He’d be irreplaceable. But the Pogba who turns out for us week in week out is not that guy and is absolutely replaceable.

It’s time people realise that the Pogba who could be will never be at our club. H wants to leave, let him go. I’m sure he will do great at Madrid, but he will never do great here.
Totally agreed. Really don't know what to say. Another long line of good potential players that cant make it in Man utd for whatever reasons.
 

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I think Tielemans, Maddison and/or Bruno would be a reasonable rebuild. Ideally, NDombele and Aouar should be the players we sign to replace PP but I don't have any confidence in our staff knowing the latter exists, let alone scouting him or thinking of purchasing him.
I haven't seen enough of Maddison or Aouar to form a credible opinion about them, but there are plenty of midfielders who are available at the right price.
Anything over 140M would be a reasonable price for Pogba and we should be able to secure at least 2 top talents who are ready to come into the squad straight away - Tielemans (40M) & Bruno (75M) would be my preferred options and would cost about 110M, plus we will have money left over to buy players with potential such as Longstaff.
 

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Its telling that most of our fans don't seem to be that fussed about him moving on, but it is absolutely imperative that we milk whoever he ends up moving to. In hindsight we let Ronaldo move too cheaply given his status & marketability etc and for all of his faults Pogba is certainly the nearest thing we have had to that since. 3 years on his contract and approaching his prime.

I get a little tired of seeing us being milked for players and letting ours go relatively cheaply. Pogba for me is worth £150m minimum in this market and I would genuinely prefer to keep an unhappy player than to let him go for less than his worth
 

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I don't get why anyone can support poisonous Pogba, now or in his actions while at the club. And quite why we should reward him by a bigger pay packet to stay is beyond me.

Let's say, to be charitable, that his comments about wanting a new challenge are his way of trying to get more money than Sanchez, because clearly he is in a beef with the Chilean which has not helped anyone's form. Why would you go public, knowing that the club are trying to get players through the door, and who will think, "what on earth is happening at United", with lots of difficult questions to answer about who is going to be at Old Trafford if that player arrives. It will could put off people coming during sensitive difficult negotiations.

Which shows, in a oner how self centred Pogba is. NOT his agent. He didn't have to say what he did but he did. The reality is it is more likely he was advised by his agent to say something to force a move. But he did not have to do it.

If we stick with him, this is what we will continue to get, and it is no wonder Fergie was happy to say goodbye to him as a youngster in 2012.

Bear in mind as we were fighting for top four, towards the end of March Pogba at a press conference ahead of France’s Euro 2020 clash with Moldova said something more unforgiveable: “Like I’ve always said, Real Madrid is a dream for anyone. It’s one of the biggest clubs in the world.

“There is also [Zinedine] Zidane as a coach and it’s a dream for anybody who likes football.

“For now, I’m at Manchester. We don’t know what the future holds. I’m at Manchester and I’m happy.”

That is as good as saying you want out, right there. The response from Zidane was waxing lyrical about how fantastic Pogba is.

This is the man our dressing room looks up to. He undermined the club right there at a crucial part of the season. We can't have that toxicity in our dressing room.

And don't forget Pogba's agent Mino Raiola was sorting out a deal last summer to join Barcelona and Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola revealed his agent had offered Pogba to him four months before that.

But I don't think we will sell him for one reason and one reason only... his marketing power. Fernandes (if he is even a genuine option) might perform better for US but he has nothing of the commercial attraction of Pogba. A superstar would be required by money man Woodward.

And unless we see a revolution in his mindset, he will continue to bring our club down.

World class talent or not, if you don't care about anything other than yourself, it is all worthless.
Aren't you the guy bemoaning lack of signings/ quality in another thread?
 

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True that, could we have Neves as part of our rebuild please? :angel:
Every player has their price.

But as you are finding with Wan-Bisakka and Diop, those prices are a lot higher than you are probably willing to pay for them.

If clubs are asking between £50-70m for defenders, does that now make Neves' value £70m+?
 

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I haven't seen enough of Maddison or Aouar to form a credible opinion about them, but there are plenty of midfielders who are available at the right price.
Anything over 140M would be a reasonable price for Pogba and we should be able to secure at least 2 top talents who are ready to come into the squad straight away - Tielemans (40M) & Bruno (75M) would be my preferred options and would cost about 110M, plus we will have money left over to buy players with potential such as Longstaff.
The decision will be based on shirt sales and merchandising potential not on on the field abilities or performances. It was reported Pogba had fallen below expectations in this area as well.

He is still probably in the top 3 in the world of recognizable footballers and the marketing potential that goes with that which might explain why UTD would consider paying him 500k per week.

While the signing you outline would drastically improve our team and our squad the decision made will have little to do with football on the pitch.
 
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Every player has their price.

But as you are finding with Wan-Bisakka and Diop, those prices are a lot higher than you are probably willing to pay for them.

If clubs are asking between £50-70m for defenders, does that now make Neves' value £70m+?
Neves is in the 70M+ range for me, 85M sounds about right.

A Neves & Tielemans midfield is the stuff of Football Manager dreams :drool:
 

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Every player has their price.

But as you are finding with Wan-Bisakka and Diop, those prices are a lot higher than you are probably willing to pay for them.

If clubs are asking between £50-70m for defenders, does that now make Neves' value £70m+?
Probably. Big wealthy clubs can't pillage the likes of Palace and West Ham like they used to, and we'll certainly struggle to tempt Wolves to make a transfer they obviously will have no intentions of making.
 

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He is definitely leaving IMO and I have absolutely no trust in our club finding suitable replacements. I think we will reach our lowest point this year since SAF.
 

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The decision will be based on shirt sales and merchandising potential not on on the field abilities or performances. It was reported Pogba had fallen below expectations in this area as well.

He is still probably in the top 3 in the world of recognizable footballers and the marketing potential that goes with that which might explain why UTD would consider paying him 500k per week.

While the signing you outline would drastically improve our team and our squad the decision made will have little to do with football on the pitch.
Is this a fact? Do you have a source?
 

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Law is better than both.

Agreed, he'd be my other forward in a 4-4-2.

The other two posts - I thought Rooney in his prime was almost World Class, and as I said earlier, he'd have my vote whereas ( back to the subject ) I can't imagine anyone putting Pogba in an all-time-best United team despite being a World Record transfer fee when he arrived.
 

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Didn't Barca pay around 130m for Courtino recently? Is Pogba worth only 10m more than him?
They need to throw in a player with that amount.
Neither of these players are worth that money, I would hate it if United were the one linked with that transfer. You can buy 2 very good players for that fee and still have money left for Rabiot.
 

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The decision will be based on shirt sales and merchandising potential not on on the field abilities or performances. It was reported Pogba had fallen below expectations in this area as well.

He is still probably in the top 3 in the world of recognizable footballers and the marketing potential that goes with that which might explain why UTD would consider paying him 500k per week.

While the signing you outline would drastically improve our team and our squad the decision made will have little to do with football on the pitch.
Well Fred wasn't signed on the basis of on the field abilities or performances, so he must have been signed for shirt sales and merchandising potential. Right?
 

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Well Fred wasn't signed on the basis of on the field abilities or performances, so he must have been signed for shirt sales and merchandising potential. Right?
Shirt sales are very stable, transfers don't actually increase them. When you hear about player x selling y amount of shirt, it generally means that people printed his name instead of someone else's not that he actually added to previous sales.
 

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Can't see it, somehow.

He walked out on them as well, let's not forget, and if he thinks he gets a bad deal from the UK Press and United fans, he's still got it to come if he goes back to Turin and arses around like he's done here for the last three years.

The only place he'll go is Madrid.....To Zidane until Zidane gets the push and then where to ??
 

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Agreed. And to be honest I really don't see any trust in Man Utd at the moment, and some fans are till stuck on Fergie era. All the top four teams have evolve over the years on how they approach games and players they sort after. Replacing Pogba with who actually ? I get that he wants to leave and he will eventually, either way I really cant see us getting out of this mediocre stage for awhile. The whole team performed below par towards the end of the seasons and yet only selected few were blamed for whatever reasons and the bizarre thing is that some fans are not even thinking about if Ole can be trust in re building Man Utd, the sentiment is killing us tbh. I really don't know the way forward if we are losing our stars and relying on an average coach, and that is me been modest, to do the rebuilding work.
 
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Sure I remember Pogba talking about wanting to play with Ronaldo.

Juve have been spending big ever since they lost Pogba, seems as though it was quite a blow for them and are keen to present themselves as a big club with money. When we bought Pogba it was about doubling or trebling his wages and a club like Juve couldn't or wouldn't make big signings that the likes of United, Madrid, Barca and oil clubs could make and pay big wages.

Signing Ronaldo with his wages is a real intent and it has raised the profile of Juve massively. I can see them going for Pogba in big way and it seems he'll be happy to go if it means leaving us.
 

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Shirt sales are very stable, transfers don't actually increase them. When you hear about player x selling y amount of shirt, it generally means that people printed his name instead of someone else's not that he actually added to previous sales.
Sorry I was being facetious :wenger:

I think Ed is a complete idiot, but this notion that he only signs players for their marketability has been proved to be false time and time again.
 

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You can never build a squad around Pogba. He is not that type of player. Surround him with quality he will automatically look worldclass.
He can't carry a team. He's great as the cherry on top.
 

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I think Tielemans, Maddison and/or Bruno would be a reasonable rebuild. Ideally, NDombele and Aouar should be the players we sign to replace PP but I don't have any confidence in our staff knowing the latter exists, let alone scouting him or thinking of purchasing him.
We could sign both and have money leftover if we sold Pogba and could bring Rabiot in too so we could get N’Dombele, Aouar and Rabiot which is a serious upgrade on our midfield and we’d make profit so it’s highly unlikely to happen.

The reality is Pogba wants to go and I’d rather we use our strong position seeing as he has 3 years left on his contract to squeeze every penny possible out of Juve or Real (nothing under £150 million) instead of keeping him and then us watching Pogba play worse than he did last season (bar the 2 month period when we were winning) and sulk so his value drops and the team suffers as a result.

We’ve sold better players than him like Ronaldo, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Keane and Stam as examples and still the machine went on. Let’s face it the Pogba signing hasn’t worked like we all thought it would but there’s teams willing to pay £130-£150 million to take him and he’s desperate to leave so let’s take the money so we’ve got time to get the right replacements instead of panic buying at the end of transfer window.
 

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We’ve sold better players than him like Ronaldo, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Keane and Stam as examples and still the machine went on.
Only CR7 was on Pogba's level, and it's hardly a controversial claim that his departure was the beginning of our downfall. Back then we still had some word class players left in the team, now there's only midtable fodder like McTominay, "JLingz" or "Rashy", and failures like Lukaku, Sanchez, Matic. Losing PP would be nothing short of a disaster, lets just hope he signs the new 500k/w deal. Honestly though, I wouldn't blame him for accepting a much lower contract to return to Turin. There's a difference between playing through balls to "Rashy"/"Rom", and CR7/Dybala.