Benjamin Mendy is much worse than Lingard when it comes to this stuff.
0.012% (or the old men yells at cloud thread)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
OK, so thats 1.
Uncanny.
Out of interest, are you both (or your friends) footballers born and raised in in the north west? Are you all of similar demographics of Lingard and Rashford or nah?
Same here. Also 27 and i dont know anyone like that. Neither do i know anyone who likes that kind of behaviour or follows someone on social media who does behave like that. I think JLingz target audience is 14/18 year old people though so we might actually qualify as too old.
I guess i really am old and at the right age to start to shout at clouds...
Do you have examples of other footballers born and raised in the north west that engage in this sort of shit then?
Well I don't go looking through players social medias in general, much less other teams. Off the top of my head though:
I do wonder what the reaction would be if it were lingard and rashford in this video.
Scored in the next match didnt he?
Yeah he did. And?
Its about output isn't it?
Rooney, on the decline, scored 15 goals that season, and that video was leaked. Lingard, in his prime, managed 5 last season and put that clip out himself... I'll take a declining Rooney 8 days a week.
A 26 year old bloke getting pissed up with his friends and thinking the boxing gloves in the loft are a great idea isn’t all that strange. Shouting ‘beans’ into a mobile phone like some sort of moron is entirely different. One of those behaviours is a lot less irritating than the other...
You don’t seem to be able to see that many of us are actually separating the behaviour and the people involved. I don’t dislike Lingard and Rashford. I don’t think they’re bad footballers. But objectively, as a 26 year old myself, I look at that video and very quickly deduce that they’re a right pair of wankers. I’d be saying the same if it was some no-mark non footballer on Instagram. It’s just not my... thing?
I look at that video of Rooney and Bardsley and conclude that they’re a bit daft, but what they’re doing is somewhat (for me) within the realms of normality. It’s only when you consider that they were/are infact professional footballers you register just how silly it was to be doing that in the house.
No, it's not. It's simply something that isn't understood, because you're probably not from their type of demographic, in which people probably do understand. This thread has gone 20 pages where they've been called wankers, idiots and retards. Literally nothing to do with on field performances at this point, as people simply talking about how don't "get" it and they're of a similar age.
Let me ask you this, you showed both these videos to people who don't watch football, dont care for football. And you ask them who the bigger idiots are, who do you think most would say?
But thats the thing. Weird viral videos have dominated Instagram, vine (especially), YouTube etc for years now. I don't know what lingards videos about, I don't pretend to know what the videos about, but I've seen plenty of similar videos on the past which makes me think, it's something to do with social media that I personally don't get, cus I don't follow that stuff.
But I recognize, that's just me, others will quite clearly think differently.
I look at the video of Rooney and Beardsley and think, these two piss heads bare Knuckle boxing in a kitchen is an awful advert for the professional footballer.
I get it, my mates have done it, whatever.
It's still an awful advert for football in general.
I would understand the anti-Lingard/Rashford crew more if those two lads had done some of the things other football players have. Yes, that instagram post is annoying but it's two young footballers on holiday in Miami, probably threw down some cocktails, are merry and just riffing.
From my knowledge there's no videos of those two inhaling laughing gas openly in a nightclub, scuffling with the public or police, no news of their spending a night or two in the lock-up to cool down.
Nobody is telling The Sun like that DJ did about Ashley Cole and other England players, I think Rio was involved, about games, private ones, not football ones, where they held each others' privates in their mouths. It was their business but the publicity made them look like idiots.
They're not having nude photos of themselves showing their arse circulating through media as David Beckham did while he was a United player. Yes the photos were artistic and I certainly didn't object to them but whether or not they were appropriate for somebody who said he just wanted to play football and became upset because the media followed him and his wife around after their PR said they were doing something, is another question. It also did create unnecessary publicity for Manchester United at the time.
I think Jesse' and Marcus' lack of stupid/dangerous incidents, reputations as committed to training and playing hard, and willingness to communicate with fans, especially the young ones, by signing autographs and doing other activities says more about them than some silly rapping videos. So does the fact that they have been chosen by different managers at United and England.
If social media had been around some years ago, some United players would have been all over it. I also think the reaction to their clothes at the Bayern game was over the top. They were wearing classy jackets and turtle neck sweater/dress shirt, classy trousers. The only thing that could be said to be a mismatch were the white sneakers but that's a fairly usual urban fashion style these days. I am not young and it didn't look bad to me.
From my knowledge there's no videos of those two inhaling laughing gas openly in a nightclub, scuffling with the public or police, no news of their spending a night or two in the lock-up to cool down.
Nobody is telling The Sun like that DJ did about Ashley Cole and other England players, I think Rio was involved, about games, private ones, not football ones, where they held each others' privates in their mouths. It was their business but the publicity made them look like idiots.
They're not having nude photos of themselves showing their arse circulating through media as David Beckham did while he was a United player. Yes the photos were artistic and I certainly didn't object to them but whether or not they were appropriate for somebody who said he just wanted to play football and became upset because the media followed him and his wife around after their PR said they were doing something, is another question. It also did create unnecessary publicity for Manchester United at the time.
I think Jesse' and Marcus' lack of stupid/dangerous incidents, reputations as committed to training and playing hard, and willingness to communicate with fans, especially the young ones, by signing autographs and doing other activities says more about them than some silly rapping videos. So does the fact that they have been chosen by different managers at United and England.
If social media had been around some years ago, some United players would have been all over it. I also think the reaction to their clothes at the Bayern game was over the top. They were wearing classy jackets and turtle neck sweater/dress shirt, classy trousers. The only thing that could be said to be a mismatch were the white sneakers but that's a fairly usual urban fashion style these days. I am not young and it didn't look bad to me.
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I get it - you have a level of maturity regarding what you do and don't put out in public. My sentence there is not a dig at you.Same here. Also 27 and i dont know anyone like that. Neither do i know anyone who likes that kind of behaviour or follows someone on social media who does behave like that. I think JLingz target audience is 14/18 year old people though so we might actually qualify as too old.
I guess i really am old and at the right age to start to shout at clouds...
However, as somebody older I am aware of many people who live their lives on social media - in their 20s, 30s, 40s, even 50s.
I know a few of them but you can see the others everyday on the net, even so called news sites like yahoo post twitter bites or instagram videos from people moaning about not being invited to a wedding so this is what they did, or telling the world about some private nonsense that is irrelevant to 99.9 percent of us or people showing themselves doing things far more idiotic or offensive than Jess' and Marcus' silly larking about.
And those two have achieved public recognition through playing for one of the legendary sports teams in the world. They're not nobodies. If you follow other sports, you'll know that there are videos on social media that are unwise, ill-thought out, discriminatory or plain stupid.
For example, African American Lebron James who some consider the current best basketball player was happy to upload a video showing himself rapping along to a hiphop song that kept referencing 'Jewish money'. Lebron is a great bloke from all accounts and active in anti-racism campaigns but was ignorant enough to think that an ethnic stereotype was a compliment.
Two black American football players last year went around in public wearing some stupid masks and said they were inspired by another footballer and said 'Monkey see, monkey do.' Not the best choice of analogies for people who come from a group that has traditionally endured racist slurs along those lines.
Non-black sports people have also made videos that were immature, unwise, open to interpretations of racism, frankly racist and publicized them.
Videos are everywhere showing Ms, Mr, Mrs Nobody acting up and telling the world about it. Most of them are unknown but have to plaster their face and mediocre opinions and lives everywhere because this is what the net permits them to do. I know a few youtubers personally, one of whom I work with, and they need to grow up but won't because they have a platform as a nobody has never had before.
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What has Lingard done wrong? Neither he or Rashford has posted anything inappropriate, nor have they turned up drunk on the net during the season. Lingardsd clothing company is just a bit of fun for him. His role model for commercial conduct is MUFC plc ffs.
Just because they are not the blue eyed boys doesn't mean they don't deserve a bit of respect. Their culture seems alien but they are sheltered footballers trying to deal with the modern world and all the pressures you can imagine.
Lingard had a poor season by his own standards when we thought he would kick on. But he had a tough world cup campaign and did us proud. Rashford had a reasonable season and played through injury for us. Showed some real balls in Paris. Made me proud.
They are a credit to united and us fans.
Just because they are not the blue eyed boys doesn't mean they don't deserve a bit of respect. Their culture seems alien but they are sheltered footballers trying to deal with the modern world and all the pressures you can imagine.
Lingard had a poor season by his own standards when we thought he would kick on. But he had a tough world cup campaign and did us proud. Rashford had a reasonable season and played through injury for us. Showed some real balls in Paris. Made me proud.
They are a credit to united and us fans.
Our standards of what we expect from a MUFC player have fallen completely. Lingard didn’t have a poor season, he is just a player without much skill. He will never kick on, and we just need to sell him ASAP. Rashford had a reasonable month when Ole just came in, but he didn’t have a reasonable season. Rashford’s form over the last few months is a good part of the reason we didn’t qualify for the Champions League.
Don't get the hate Lingard and Rashy get. As is any of you were any better when you were 22.
To be honest, I don't necessarily agree with all of it but can at least try to look at it with a
Ye I get your point, it was more in relation to why they might point out that they are in a 0.012% in response to people like our Keith. I'm not suggesting that they are immune from critisicm but the vitriolic manner it's done these days and the scale of it is out of hand. It's exaggerated to the point that we've lost a lot of the middle ground. Players are either amazing or they're terrible, it's difficult to have a serious conversation these days because you're wading through people's attempts to out meme each other.
To even be in the top 100 in the world at what you do is pretty incredible and I can understand why a couple of young lads may react and point that out. We're 20 pages deep into a thread pretty much about activity they are engaged in off the pitch, when the season isn't even on and in their own, private time. They may be loaded and may be in a unique profession but people act surprised that outside of that, they are people and they do similar or the same stupid shit that other people in their age group do.
Jlingz is 27 this year
Lingard is 26. Far from the callow youth, you could still consider Rashford to be.
Lingard is 27 this year....
Good stuff guys on missing the obvious joke @Samid was making.
I think it's just weird where you're less irritated by a video of Manchester United footballer getting pissed up and potentially having a risky injury in the middle of the season than the video of two best mates acting daft in pre-season.
Rooney had contributed to 5 PL's and a CL before this video came out, he can be forgiven, he'd been an elite player. JLingz and Rashy off the back of one of United's worst ever seasons act like they've achieved wonders.
Well there's no point discussing anything further then. For me, it is about output.
Rooney can mess about play boxing with his mates (bare knuckle fighting? Really?), because he produced.
Cantona can spout weird philosophical poetry, because he produced.
Giggs can be a floppy haired teen pin up, because he produced.
Beckham can prance about in a sarong, because he produced.
Regardless, most of those are very different to Lingard using his association with Utd to build his profile & 'brand'.
I fail to see any comparison, much less what is wrong with a couple of mates contesting a sport between themselves. Recorded for private viewing, which was never intended for public release.
Next you'll show us Rooney violently swinging a stick at a small ball on some grass, or him throwing sharp missiles at a board with numbers on it. The terror.
What's wrong with this video exactly? You can explain this. You can't explain beans.
I think the first weird Lingard video I saw was him dissecting a gelatin lizard or something whilst providing a bizarre commentary to it.
Gosh, He's slowly becoming Moyes for me. Wash the prick with Garlic the next time We spray Old Trafford.
There is a bit of the Raheem Sterling treatment going on methinks.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jesse has read the negative posts/threads on the redcafe. Does he care? Probably not. I think some people are making this all more complex than it is.
He's an old fashioned prankster in some ways and I'd rather see his smiling face than that of some miserable footballing shites who are making a fortune but you'd never know it, want to skip out on obligations such as meeting fans and spending a small amount of time to make their day, and look as if everything is a trial.
Jesse's and Marcus' performances for England show what is possible in a stable team where they know their role and there is a culture of stability and support unlike the ups and downs of the last 6 years at United.
He's an old fashioned prankster in some ways and I'd rather see his smiling face than that of some miserable footballing shites who are making a fortune but you'd never know it, want to skip out on obligations such as meeting fans and spending a small amount of time to make their day, and look as if everything is a trial.
Jesse's and Marcus' performances for England show what is possible in a stable team where they know their role and there is a culture of stability and support unlike the ups and downs of the last 6 years at United.
I think essentially what pisses me off about this whole thing, is that how charmless and tasteless his social media persona is, if Anderson was doing the same nonsense in the Fergie years I wouldn’t have cared one bit, because Ando had charm and chatacter, and we were a good side.
Lingard is like that annoying mosquito buzzing around your ear at night.
Lingard is like that annoying mosquito buzzing around your ear at night.
Can't believe more old men have not yelled at the thread title and its blatant disregard for subject-verb agreement.
Feckin' beanz on toazt generation.
Feckin' beanz on toazt generation.
Oi.
It's old men yell at cloud.
Make it stop!
(I don't know what this blue emoji means)
It's old men yell at cloud.
Make it stop!
(I don't know what this blue emoji means)Did we just post this at the same time?!?! Whaaa?
And so I've reached my post limit
Yeah. That's a bit freaky, actually. After twenty pages.The saddest thing about their behavior isn't that it's players associated with Utd who are doing this asinine shite, the saddest thing is there are some Utd fans actually trying to justify their behavior or defend them.
Just two young guys, having the bantz, wearing matching outfits, that sorta stuff that's all.