It's pre-season and we are in dire straits

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If this is our squad going into next season, with possibility of Pogba/Lukaku leaving late on as we desperately try and cling on to them, then Ole will be gone mid Season.

The ambition is clearer than ever now, it’s hoping to scrape top 4
 

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If this is our squad going into next season, with possibility of Pogba/Lukaku leaving late on as we desperately try and cling on to them, then Ole will be gone mid Season.

The ambition is clearer than ever now, it’s hoping to scrape top 4
I'm a bit of a negative guy, but with Pogba and Lukaku gone, Ole will not last two months.
We need to have replacements lined up for them otherwise we could have some very uninteresting 5 first months of the season.
 

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If this is our squad going into next season, with possibility of Pogba/Lukaku leaving late on as we desperately try and cling on to them, then Ole will be gone mid Season.

The ambition is clearer than ever now, it’s hoping to scrape top 4
It’s only a borderline Top 4 squad with those 2. Without them, it could be a few different things, all depending on if Ole gets them fighting together. If he can’t and this starts going like April/May...
 

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If this is our squad going into next season, with possibility of Pogba/Lukaku leaving late on as we desperately try and cling on to them, then Ole will be gone mid Season.

The ambition is clearer than ever now, it’s hoping to scrape top 4
The owners won't change course until the sponsorship money dries up, so two things will happen;

1) They never care because being in the Premier League makes them a shit ton of money, and regardless of other teams making more in sponsors in the coming years as long as they make some cash it'll be easy money for them.

2) They'll realise that they've fecked up and try and fix things, but it'll be too late and all the big players will go to City or Liverpool.
 

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The owners won't change course until the sponsorship money dries up, so two things will happen;

1) They never care because being in the Premier League makes them a shit ton of money, and regardless of other teams making more in sponsors in the coming years as long as they make some cash it'll be easy money for them.

2) They'll realise that they've fecked up and try and fix things, but it'll be too late and all the big players will go to City or Liverpool.
You would have to think some of the sponsorship stuff will start drying up quickly.
 

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Sheesh. Breathe. We are not supposed to turn this around in 1 season. Give it time.
Come on man, how many years have we been saying this? When Fergie left we saw the light on the horizon and thought it was the sun coming up. Now six years on we're still standing in our kitchen as the flames, which have scorched the forest around us, lick up our house, and there's a point where you have to start doing something about it and stop saying "I'm sure we'll be fine".
 

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You would have to think some of the sponsorship stuff will start drying up quickly.
Maybe, but people will always need to buy tractors and pot noodles and toilet cleaners so as long as we can plaster our badge on it we will.
 

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Come on man, how many years have we been saying this? When Fergie left we saw the light on the horizon and thought it was the sun coming up. Now six years on we're still standing in our kitchen as the flames, which have scorched the forest around us, lick up our house, and there's a point where you have to start doing something about it and stop saying "I'm sure we'll be fine".
You are right it has been 'it's going to take time' since SAF left. Year after year the manager needs to build his own squad, managers giving everyone a chance. How many chances do some need? I am sick of some of their smug faces still being here. It appears it is going to take an eternity.
 

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We still need 3/4 players and that's without Pogba and Lukaku moving on. I just cannot see Woodward getting that many transfers over the line before deadline. Unless all the youngsters, Tuanzebe, Garner, Greenwood, Chong, and Gomes, turn into world beaters over a few games, we are in trouble for the coming season.
 

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We are going to have to hope to god one of Gomes, McTominay, Garner or Longstaff (potentially) have an absolute worldy breakout season otherwise our midfield is gonna be shocking!
 

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Have we ever signed a player whilst on tour? Sorry if it’s been asked already.
 

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We are so far away,we have a squad of Brothers in arms,so why worry. We cant pick up world class talent on every street.
Maybe not Every Street, but maybe on Telegraph Road....I'm sure Ed is undertaking some Private Investigations...
 

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As a Manchester United fan, all I can say is that we need more than good players and a good manager to set things right... either Pogba remains or not... all we need is a bit of luck and self-confidence... believe in our history, this club, the passion, and nothing will stop us.
 

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We are going to have to hope to god one of Gomes, McTominay, Garner or Longstaff (potentially) have an absolute worldy breakout season otherwise our midfield is gonna be shocking!
True, but I can't think of a single player that has developed a lot during the last couple of years, bar maybe Lindelöf and McTominay to some extent. Martial was immense in his first season, Rashford also but they are not improving any more.
 

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Start a thread on Redcaf and moan about it obviously.... We all need yet another thread complaining about lack of transfer activity..... Every single summer..... :rolleyes:
So do you just accept we’re awful & just shut up then? Surely a football forum is exactly where these questions should be asked..

Also putting Ole in charge was a masterstroke by Glazers & Woody. A yes man who’s just glad to be there & wont cause a fuss & most of the fans won’t call for him to go even if we’re playing terrible (like from end of the season) as he’s an ex player & a legend. Genius
 

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So do you just accept we’re awful & just shut up then? Surely a football forum is exactly where these questions should be asked..

Also putting Ole in charge was a masterstroke by Glazers & Woody. A yes man who’s just glad to be there & wont cause a fuss & most of the fans won’t call for him to go even if we’re playing terrible (like from end of the season) as he’s an ex player & a legend. Genius
So the masterstroke, in your opinion, is to hire somebody that the supporters won’t blame if results are bad. Thereby creating more resentment towards the board and owners themselves.

Ay, real genius right there.

Christ.
 

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So do you just accept we’re awful & just shut up then? Surely a football forum is exactly where these questions should be asked..

Also putting Ole in charge was a masterstroke by Glazers & Woody. A yes man who’s just glad to be there & wont cause a fuss & most of the fans won’t call for him to go even if we’re playing terrible (like from end of the season) as he’s an ex player & a legend. Genius
Yeah you got that right. Most fans won't call him to go. Expect for the fact fans here are already hostile towards him.
 

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Yeah you got that right. Most fans won't call him to go. Expect for the fact fans here are already hostile towards him.
Think a lot are doubting he is up to the job, but any blame that get dished out regarding the state of the team will be towards the board.
 

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Yup, as it should be.
I would never blame Ole for taking the job, but the board should have waited. If they had we might even have had CL football. It is the boards fault for this and also not admitting that they should bring somebody in to deal with the recruiting/philosophy side of the football club.
 

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I thought we would have signed a CB by now. After obviously needing one for the past two years.
 

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Another point is: we're reducing our wages significantly. Fellaini, Herrera and Valencia already gone. 300k off weekly wages. If we sell Lukaku and Pogba that's another 500k off our wages. 800k a week we're saving. And we've added AWB (80k) and James(30k). So we still have a 620k gap to fill. Maguire would get 150k. Bruno maybe 100k. But otherwise we're seemingly saving money going into the season. Which is insane considering we didn't spend anything to begin with.
Great we'll save money but have a significantly worse team and possibly end up in the same position if not worse than this season? Yay? I'm sure glad those Glazers will have more money to siphon out of the club cause it won't be going on the players wages.

I'd be shocked if we payed anywhere near Leicester's asking price for Maguire and Bruno looks happy going on pre-season with Sporting currently, even though it's a deal we could of had sorted for ages, there's just nothing.
 

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Start a thread on Redcaf and moan about it obviously.... We all need yet another thread complaining about lack of transfer activity..... Every single summer..... :rolleyes:
Folk have a right to complain, though, dude. They've been complaining for six seasons now and as each year goes by the number of people telling the moaners to stop complaining gets less and less because no rhetoric and "maybe things will be better this year" platitudes are going to cut it. It's time to stop saying "give them a chance" and time to say "they keep shitting the bed and refuse to change the sheets, so feck the Glazers and feck Eddy the big headed, probably parks his ostentatious SUV in family parking spots at Sainsbury's, Tory voting prick".
 

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Folk have a right to complain, though, dude. They've been complaining for six seasons now and as each year goes by the number of people telling the moaners to stop complaining gets less and less because no rhetoric and "maybe things will be better this year" platitudes are going to cut it. It's time to stop saying "give them a chance" and time to say "they keep shitting the bed and refuse to change the sheets, so feck the Glazers and feck Eddy the big headed, probably parks his ostentatious SUV in family parking spots at Sainsbury's, Tory voting prick".
Yep, bang on.

I think a lot of these people who shout down the 'moaners' just do so to get a pat on the back, 'top red' and all that, we are a bollocks of a club just now, and until we change the people making the decisions this will just continue, somehow they need calling on it once and for all.
 

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Yep, bang on.

I think a lot of these people who shout down the 'moaners' just do so to get a pat on the back, 'top red' and all that, we are a bollocks of a club just now, and until we change the people making the decisions this will just continue, somehow they need calling on it once and for all.
Bang on right back at ya! It's less about them wanting their faith to be rewarded as well though and more about being able to quite their post in 9 months time and say "well, I told you so neh ner neh neh neh!"
 

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Bang on right back at ya! It's less about them wanting their faith to be rewarded as well though and more about being able to quite their post in 9 months time and say "well, I told you so neh ner neh neh neh!"
It was exactly the same last summer, when it was clear what was about to unfold, this time around it's looking worse, yet somehow people are willing to cut the Glazers and Ed plenty of slack once again.

If the Glazers are staying, just get a top DOF finally, then in the likely event Ole fails get a credible manager in, give them freedom & some money, and let them do their thing, and just keep that lap dog, propaganda pushing, bullsh*ting, Woodward away from it all, whilst he's there nothing will change.
 

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It was exactly the same last summer, when it was clear what was about to unfold, this time around it's looking worse, yet somehow people are willing to cut the Glazers and Ed plenty of slack once again.

If the Glazers are staying, just get a top DOF finally, then in the likely event Ole fails get a credible manager in, give them freedom & some money, and let them do their thing, and just keep that lap dog, propaganda pushing, bullsh*ting, Woodward away from it all, whilst he's there nothing will change.
The propaganda is the worst. "Biggest club in the world" just sounds like our "the best it's been since records began". He's our Trump. Except instead of hugging flags and being a toilet for prostitutes he's hugging tractors and wiping his arse with pamphlets that say "Sack Frogie Sell Giggs".
 

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As things stand we're not improving. WanB is an improvement, but that's just one position needed and isn't going to improve us a whole by any stretch.

It's fair to say it's not looking good. Even if we somehow pulled off the De Ligt signing, which is the only big signing we're linked with, we aren't going to look like a competitive team. There's another 3 positions at the very least that would need changing for our football to improve, and that's if Pogba and De Gea stay.
 

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Folk have a right to complain, though, dude. They've been complaining for six seasons now and as each year goes by the number of people telling the moaners to stop complaining gets less and less because no rhetoric and "maybe things will be better this year" platitudes are going to cut it. It's time to stop saying "give them a chance" and time to say "they keep shitting the bed and refuse to change the sheets, so feck the Glazers and feck Eddy the big headed, probably parks his ostentatious SUV in family parking spots at Sainsbury's, Tory voting prick".
Exactly. Couldnt have said it better. We are supposed to be doing the massive rebuild after 6 awful seasons and one week before our first friendly and we havent even replaced Herrera. Its a fecking joke we can should moan as much as we want.
 

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Exactly. Couldnt have said it better. We are supposed to be doing the massive rebuild after 6 awful seasons and one week before our first friendly and we havent even replaced Herrera. Its a fecking joke we can should moan as much as we want.
We need to learn lessons from year 1 and yet we never seem to do, or maybe it's just because those in charge don't give much of a shit.

What does the dosimeter say? 3.6 Moyesken? Not great but not terrible.

And then they all died.
 

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Those people sick of the moaning don't have to read the thread.

I agree - we're post invisibles Arsenal. Aiming for top 4 and reliant on others being shit in order to make it.
 

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Those people sick of the moaning don't have to read the thread.

I agree - we're post invisibles Arsenal. Aiming for top 4 and reliant on others being shit in order to make it.
At least they had a shiny new stadium to show for it. And a Wenger who could actually spot shrewd buys in the market.
 
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Post Invincibles Arsenal were better than this underwhelming United bunch.
I'm not sure if we're competing for CL places.More like Europa League.
 

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I would never blame Ole for taking the job, but the board should have waited. If they had we might even have had CL football. It is the boards fault for this and also not admitting that they should bring somebody in to deal with the recruiting/philosophy side of the football club.
People will judge him on the squad the board provide too. If we end up with a nightmare scenario of Pogba and Lukaku leaving and no more players in then no one will expect him to do much. They'll be too busy rioting about the board / owners before the first match kicks off.
 

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We need two signings in by the end of next week otherwise we're really starting to damage the potential of next season.

The one persistent argument during our bad form was well Ole needs a preseason it can't be done in a week or two or whilst we're preparing for games. It looks like a week or two is all Ole will have with his new look team if he even gets it all.
 
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As much as I'm hopeful Longstaff will become a decent player I'm quite confident he wont make the required impact some are expecting,and realistically nor should he as he's only been involved in 13 PL games.
So,if he were to join,the expectations from me are pretty low for the current campaign.
 

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Another point is: we're reducing our wages significantly. Fellaini, Herrera and Valencia already gone. 300k off weekly wages. If we sell Lukaku and Pogba that's another 500k off our wages. 800k a week we're saving. And we've added AWB (80k) and James(30k). So we still have a 620k gap to fill. Maguire would get 150k. Bruno maybe 100k. But otherwise we're seemingly saving money going into the season. Which is insane considering we didn't spend anything to begin with.
Joel Glazer's escorts don't pay for themselves.
 

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I'm surprised to see posters with such optimistic outlook towards the new season. It must be a nice place to be.

This is the worst squad we've had post SAF, and it'll keep getting worse.

Our checklist at the end of last season:
- Get a DoF
- Get a world class CB,
- Get a goal scoring RW
- Replace Matic
- Get an RB
- Get rid of Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian and some deadwood

What our summer is potentially looking like:
- Did NOT get a DoF
- Lost our best and second best central midfielders, did not replace
- Lost our highest and second highest goalscorers, did not replace
- Signed yet another young promising LW
- Did not sign a RW
- Signed yet another mediocre CB
- Extended contracts for Mata, Pereira and Phil Jones

De Gea's reflexes are in decline, we have no semblance of a midfield left, and our first choice front three (Rashford, Martial, Jlingz) have career-high PL goal outputs of 10, 11 and 8 respectively. I struggle to see how we are a better team than Leicester or Wolves at this stage.
 

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We need to let Ole have at least five transfer windows to build his own team. It's a long term project. Rome wasn't built in a day. He needs time to clear out the deadwood. How can we judge when these aren't his players?
It will be very difficult to get world class players who want to play in the championship.
 

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Ashley Young shouldnt be a starter anymore so that is an improvement but that still leaves 10 other players minus Herrera (so 9 players) who were responsible for that terrible run of games after Ole signed his contract.

I dont think Bailly grew a footballing brain out of nowhere while also learned how to stay fit so a quality centre back is needed.

Maybe Fred fully adapted to English football and will be a better and improved Herrera next season but i doubt that will be the case so another midfielder is needed.

Last but not least... Mata and Lingard arent good enough to be the starting right sided attacker so a new player there would be nice.

In my opinion those three positions need to be strenghtend before the season starts if we want to reach top 4. For a title i would also think a world class striker, a better than Matic midfielder and a better than Lindelof defender are needed.