Is he talking about the Glazer Out fans? If so, there is no defending that, sorry.
Ole's Press Conference | 05:30 BST
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
My thoughts excatly.
We were 6th last season and out of the champions league.
We have to overpay to get players to come.
So the club will not pay what it takes to fill the gaps in the squad.
How did you come to that conclusion?
Im aware he is not talking about the fans in the stadium. Every fan is disgruntled, I dont know what he is trying to say here.
Well that’s been the big topic concerning fans lately.
Smalling really isnt deadwood. Wish he wouldnt keep getting lumped in with some who are(tbh I think its unfair on Young too, he just got old!) hes not great on the ball but hes ok on a purely defensive basis but is someone we could improve on. Doesnt make him deadwood.
Rojo, Darmian etc, now thats deadwood!
As a member of the fanbase who has voiced his concerns about United's future on this forum, i must say that i really appreciated his straightforwardness regarding this matter. It shows confidence in himself & in the work that is being done and that's definitely a good thing. And if the people he refers to by using their first names and he so willingly chooses to shield against the "bad fans who don't do anything but moan" manage to get the deals he wants over the line during the course of the next 30 days, he can raise a middle finger too towards the "bad sections" of the fanbase. More so, if we go on to have a good season.
Nevertheless, his frankness won't be appreciated, if, by the turn of the year, we're sauntering in midtable positions while City or (God forbid) Liverpool are running away with the title. Not by the fans but by the media, the yellow press, the pundits and the columnists, for all of whom there's not a more click-baiting story than a former giant who can't stand on his feet anymore. By then, the contract renewals, the (possible) lack of investment, the young & hungry (but also inexperienced) strategy (especially if Pogba & Lukaku leave and no replacements arrive), it will all fall upon his shoulders while the true culprits will be looking for a new manager to appease the bedraggled fanbase because the easiest thing to do midseason is to change the manager. By then his attempts to downplay all concerns and lighten up the atmosphere by telling the "loud fans" to mind their own business will be being used as the perfect stick to beat "a manager who's clearly out of his depth". And who knows, by then, these "bad fans" who claim that the club is being run poorly might be he's only life-jacket. More than he can possibly imagine. It's not that others haven't failed before him with the same squad and the same infrastructure.
He certainly talks the talk and i'm fine with that. Can't wait for the new season to start and see if he walks the walk too. If he does, the club will have a manager for the next decade.
Yeah but concluding that from his comments is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
Wow Devilish must be close. Ok chief. I'll move on to one of the many other hate filled threads and see who is winning the competition to be the biggest whinger there.
Not really. The loudest the fans have been recently is about the Glazer Out movement.
What the feck kind of leap is this? How in earth did you get to this conclusion
. He's very clearly talking about the general group of fans that every club has who complain about every little thing all the time. Which every manager has at some point, in some way, referred to that group as "that small group who complains loudest but complain about anything" essentially. Actually can't believe I have to explain this.Where, in the stands or on social media?
Anyway I don't think it has anything with Glazers whatsoever. You heard what you want to hear.
Not really. This was very clearly in regards to team building/transfers fans having complaints about not selling everyone or buying everyone. Which every manager will always respond to in the same way.
The ones who complain 24/7 on social media are always the same ones, and it is always a small group. Yeah, most of us are aware we aren't in a great position, but also most of us aren't dramatic as feck and don't repeat the same dramatic shite multiples times every day.
Well we dont have any games at the moment.
15 historic warnings combined, rather than active points, but you get the gist.Fantastic post
I think he knows we're all disgruntled, I'm sure he is too in private.
But when you're in an argument with someone and you're shouting, it can only mean one thing: you're not saying anything of substance and your argument is lost in the noise. People like that dont deserve to be heard. Fans who yell abuse at their own players in particular.
Now if you feel you're in that crowd then maybe he was talking about you. If not, move on to other things.
Well if someone could get the question that was asked, it would help.
To be honest I dont know what he means by loudest.
Or it means the other party is being annoying and refusing to see what you are saying. Just because someone is frustrated doesnt make them wrong. We are in to year seven of this shit, and to call out fans who have put up with the shit for all that time is, well... wrong.
Why does it matter? It's pretty obvious it was something like "what do you have to say about disgruntled fans with how last season went/this summer has gone". You're just forensically reading into everything when its standard answers that every manager should say during pre-season to create some positivity, rather than shit on everyone.
Fans disgruntled? Most are fine, small minority who always complain about anything will always be loudest and have something to complain about.
Not enough transfers in or out? Working on some, its a process, happy with what we have, etc.
Rumors about a player leaving? Hes a great guy, have no problem, he's a United player, etc.
It's just standard generic positive answers which should be 99% of managerial press conferences, unless specific situations he's trying to make a point about something (see Fergie with Rooney). Literally no use reading into anything else.
It’s not clear what he means by the “loudest fans”, sorry. The entire fanbase is loud right now.
Wow just wow. Talking about taking advantage of each situation
I don't care about Jose anymore. I did when he was at United and backed him because of his track record, who he is and even with his ego he wanted to do good and wanted to do best as possible. Of course he had his destructive moments, but I still maintain he was our best manager so far, even though appointed couple of years later he should've been.
As for 'moaners' usually are two type of people - those who as you said moan about everything and you just can't satisfy. I do agree about them, but for those who want us to improve and want change for the better - then I'm sorry I can't get behind calling out those fans, as this is simply ridiculous.
With this sentence he is practically creating a toxic atmosphere as he divides the fans. And for what is worth the only thing that hasn't changed in the last 6 years is that our support has been world class, despite all the shortcomings, so it's a bit rich have to say.
I never said wrong. But when you're shouting, the fact is, you will not be heard. And you'll look silly.
No, it means you lost your cool and lost all credibility/respect/whatever. Other people being annoying/failing to change something or do something doesnt mean that shouting at them/shitting on everything is the right thing to do (or is in any way productive). Just creates a toxic atmosphere with no benefit. Like all the people who shit on players on their social media accounts... literally serves no purpose.
I believe he was talking about the clowns who abuse players i.e that moron singling out Pogba on the last day of last season.
I beleive he means the fans who deem it acceptable to forensically examine every little thing he or anyone says in relation to the club, and promote the perceived negative connotations of it as actively as possible.
Feel free and choose to be ignorant to what is obviously standard media responses and read into things that aren't there.
Interesting comment regarding 'the loudest fans aren't the best ones'...
He's being warmly supported by the fanbase at large so I really can't imagine what he means other than the #Glazersout movement this Summer.
But I guess by supporting the owners he's at least making it so there'll be no excuses of him 'not being backed' next season - if he were being let down by them, why on Earth would he come out and support them?
Good luck to him.
He's being warmly supported by the fanbase at large so I really can't imagine what he means other than the #Glazersout movement this Summer.
But I guess by supporting the owners he's at least making it so there'll be no excuses of him 'not being backed' next season - if he were being let down by them, why on Earth would he come out and support them?
Good luck to him.
Think most of the fanbase are guilty of abusing the players.
Im not being ignorant, I literally said I’d like to see the question that was asked.
I took it to mean the much more recent, and much more topical #Glazersout move this Summer.
I really can't imagine what he meant other than that if I'm honest.
The Pogba thing was months ago, and Ole's supported at large by Utd fans, so for me it's fairly obvious it's the Glazer stuff.
Was asking what he meant by loudest fans in a time where most of the fanbase is “loud”, but ok.So yeah in this sense, Ole is basically calling you out @haram (and people of similar mindsets)
I'm with you. It's disappointing and disturbing to hear that. As fans, especially matchgoers, have backed every player and manager to an almost unreasonable level compared with what we see at other clubs. What are we loud about now? The club making the right on field decisions to get us to the top. To back the Glazers and throw fans under the bus there, I'm really shocked and wary of what this season holds. Did not expect that from Ole..
Thing is - I doubt Ole visits Redcafe, and if he did, I doubt he'd be bothered by the minority of fans who *question* his appointment...!So yeah in this sense, Ole is basically calling you out @haram (and people of similar mindsets)
Match going fans have given him nothing but support so there's no way he can feel slighted himself by the fanbase - ludicrous to suggest so.
You just created a whole out of thin air. Well done.
Yes, we should start a petition for Ed to step down and discuss it behind closed doors in annual meetings. This is how changes come to the fore.
Without those fans that voice discontent at how the club is ran, why should the management change anything? We can continue in the same mold for the next 10-20 years. They are filling their pockets and as Ed said the club is maintaining the profitable commercial level.
The club is ran through the commercial side. Sponsors come here because of that huge moaning fan base. Signing players comes from whose who go to games, so naturally they will have some expectations. I don't defend those abusing Pogba but they are a minority IMO(or at least I hope so).