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I can see why solskjaer would want him, he looks very fit. He could be a good squad addition, the problem is we have a lot of those.
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Mate that is a totally different discussion and not what my reply was about.At Southampton Lemina wasn't brought to be a reserve but that's were he ended. At Juventus the situation was slightly different as they was expected him to be a squad player up until he can one day replace the ageing Marchisio. In both cases he failed to reach the targets set and both clubs wanted him out. The guy has been failing for the past 4 years at 2 consecutive clubs. He seem to want out just after 2 years of contract which kind of suggest an attitude problem as well. How can anyone even want the guy?
You can say he even failed a bit at Marseille too, his signature to Juve completely surprised everyone.At Southampton Lemina wasn't brought to be a reserve but that's were he ended. At Juventus the situation was slightly different as they was expected him to be a squad player up until he can one day replace the ageing Marchisio. In both cases he failed to reach the targets set and both clubs wanted him out. The guy has been failing for the past 4 years at 2 consecutive clubs. He seem to want out just after 2 years of contract which kind of suggest an attitude problem as well. How can anyone even want the guy?
I get you. I've seen enough of him to not be concerned by this, transfer fees mean nothing to me in general. I'm bemused by all of thisThat is true, but the point is expensive ones fail too. The idea is to have a plan as a coach and look for a player you think will work, regardless of his stature as a player. Our rivals would make signings like Lemina work. Spurs’ player of the season was ridiculed and relegated just a couple of years back, for example.
I’d have nothing against Lemina personally. I’ve seen the talent that he has so I know what he’s capable of if things go well. As we haven’t seen to have the formula to guarantee any profile of signing works out well, I have nothing against Lemina. I’m choosing to focus on what he CAN do, and my point is I suspect others would do that more too if he were to sign for another club for cheap too.
He plays in the premier league, surely you’ve heard of him?!No idea who this guy is, but 16 pages in a day makes me think there’s legs to this one. Could prove a shrewd signing, who knows?
You can’t be determining the validity based on Redcafe pages now come on!No idea who this guy is, but 16 pages in a day makes me think there’s legs to this one. Could prove a shrewd signing, who knows?
I knew about Lemina since his Juventus days. Some people are purposefully obtuse and pretend or just don't really follow football much.He plays in the premier league, surely you’ve heard of him?!
I didn't followed him at Marseille but if your good self says he failed there as well then I believe you. There's no one as reliable on the French league as JP and your self.You can say he even failed a bit at Marseille too, his signature to Juve completely surprised everyone.
You might not notice but we're talking about Southampton here. They hardly have alot of players to choose from. Now lets stick to what we know. Lemina was signed on a huge fee. Despite all that he ended up as a reserve just after 2 years. Not only that, he know want out. If that's make him proven in the league he did all that then I really don't know.Mate that is a totally different discussion and not what my reply was about.
I personally don't want him, don't think he will improve our midfield and have no interest in us signing him.
With 41 games in the league and having played well for Southampton, he is a proven Premier League midfield and obviously wants a move to a bigger club.
As have said twice now, Fred is not Premier League proven hence the comparison is misguided.
Lemina's best games are 2-3 times better than anything Fred has shown for us and might cost a measly £15 million, whereas the Brazilian was around £52 million in terms of transfer fee, plus a huge wage of £5 million a year that any potential buyer cannot even cover.You might not notice but we're talking about Southampton here. They hardly have alot of players to choose from. Now lets stick to what we know. Lemina was signed on a huge fee. Despite all that he ended up as a reserve just after 2 years. Not only that, he know want out. If that's make him proven in the league he did all that then I really don't know.
Fred plays for Manchester United so every move he makes will be scrutinised. The manager could also afford keeping him on the bench far more then Saints could do with Lemina. I assure you, that Lemina's contribution at Juventus wasn't that much different to that of Fred with Manchester United. I posted somewhere what Juventus fans thought when he was kicked out. You're free to check that upLemina's best games are 2-3 times better than anything Fred has shown for us and might cost a measly £15 million, whereas the Brazilian was around £52 million in terms of transfer fee, plus a huge wage of £5 million a year that any potential buyer cannot even cover.
It would have been better to buy Lemina last year instead of Fred, he would have been at least as useful and in my opinion, he is a lot more talented if he becomes consistent. I still see nothing in the Brazilian that makes me think he is even a £20 million player, a Tom Cleverley type of player.
I've read your comments and as said previously, Lemina isn't someone that I would actively target for a transfer. But if Ole sees potential in him, there is logic to it and for the money quoted, there is no substantial risk involved.Fred plays for Manchester United so every move he makes will be scrutinised. The manager could also afford keeping him on the bench far more then Saints could do with Lemina. I assure you, that Lemina's contribution at Juventus wasn't that much different to that of Fred with Manchester United. I posted somewhere what Juventus fans thought when he was kicked out. You're free to check that up
We're talking about a guy who had failed in the past three consecutive jobs here.
Ndidi is realistic and he could be better than Lemina.I've read your comments and as said previously, Lemina isn't someone that I would actively target for a transfer. But if Ole sees potential in him, there is logic to it and for the money quoted, there is no substantial risk involved.
That has been my main argument from the start. Of course I would rather us get Veratti and Ndidi, for example, to put them in midfield with Pogba, but it isn't happening.
How do you know that? We want to get Maguire from Leicester, why would they sell us another top player? And I bet they would quote us similar prices to the ones for Maguire.Ndidi is realistic and he could be better than Lemina.
nope, as Gabon didn't qualify.I checked his nationality and realised he is actually Gabonese because i thought he's French. Was he in the Gabon squad in the ongoing AFCONS? Anyone knows or they weren't in the competiton?
Cheers matenope, as Gabon didn't qualify.
I agree the general feeling here is that Ndidi cost Leicester nothing, he was bloody expensive for his age and experience I’d say they would be looking for a minimum of £60 for him.How do you know that? We want to get Maguire from Leicester, why would they sell us another top player? And I bet they would quote us similar prices to the ones for Maguire.
My thoughts exactly. Ndidi has the potential to be one of the best midfield destroyers in the world, Leicester will never sell us arguably their 2 best players in one transfer window, let alone for some sort of cut-price deals.I agree the general feeling here is that Ndidi cost Leicester nothing, he was bloody expensive for his age and experience I’d say they would be looking for a minimum of £60 for him.
It seems that Barella will sign for Inter.Better buy Idrissa Gana from Everton. Gana is more consistent.
If not Gana. Declan Rice is a better option than Lemina.
Declan Rice has a dominate presence, has the mentality and i think Rice can handle the pressure to deliver high level every week.
For the dcm role. I only see Gana and Rice will do a consistent job in the future.
Outside the continent is Barella.
And Fabian Ruiz. If Ruiz sit more deeper, as a deep dcm playmaking role. With his guts and energy. Those are 4 options im consider for the dcm role.
Gana from Everton - He has definitive the running legs
Declan Rice from West Ham
Fabian Ruiz from Napoli
Barella from Cagliari
High guts, energy, fighting spirit and working hard. Beside football and ball abilities.
Mental aspect abilities + physical abilities + football vision and ball abilities. Im satisfy with those abilities to those 4 players. Some score higher than others in some area. But overall, as a fullpacket as a football player. I would like to have all of those 4 in the squad. Definitely good enough for United squad and will strength the midfield and squad.
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I will take off Fabian Ruiz from new dcm options. He way too offensive and attacking minded. A more nr.8 than a nr.6.
Then is down to the others 3
+ I.Gana has running legs, good acceleration and really good to break up opponent attack.
+ Barella a allround and complete cm player. Good to tackle, creative and good in the build up.
+ Rice is a dominate player. A central midfield leader pontential, is discipline to sit back. Good air ability in the attack.
Its hard and difficult to choose one of those. United might need for two a but more defensive cm. Herrera and Matic soon. So it would might go for either Gana/Rice + Barella.
Barella is a more of Herrera type of player. Gana is a more Kante type of player. And Rice is a bit more Keane type of player. All of Rice, Barella and Gana are on high international level. And all of them. Barella and Rice will be regular nation cm player in the future. Best in their countries, in their positions. And i think definitive good enough for United too, in the future. Cost more, but lesser risk buy. Future regular and current nation player.
He's a classy looking player who is well above Southampton level, that somehow wasn't getting in their team as they got relegated.Who the feck is this guy?
Watched him a lot did you?His play at Southampton simple doesn't warrant a move to a bigger club.
They didn’t get relegated?He's a classy looking player who is well above Southampton level, that somehow wasn't getting in their team as they got relegated.
I think he'd be quality, certainly better than all bar Pogba that we have!
can I chuck in a "could well have been" in instead?They didn’t get relegated?
Ah yes, makes more sense now. Do you actually think he’d be good - I can’t believe a word you say nowcan I chuck in a "could well have been" in instead?
I watched Southampton 3-4 times last year and Lemina appeared in about half those games and never once stood out. I remember him coming over from Juve and there being high expectations but never any real output.Watched him a lot did you?
Fred was one of our best players against PSG and many matches after that.I struggle to believe he could be worse than Fred
I think I got confused with someone's post from earlier in the day, who I swear mentioned a "relegated Southampton", and then having tried to forget last season...a horrible mix of the twoAh yes, makes more sense now. Do you actually think he’d be good - I can’t believe a word you say now
Compared to the Longstaff bandwagon, this seems massively secureI watched Southampton 3-4 times last year and Lemina appeared in about half those games and never once stood out. I remember him coming over from Juve and there being high expectations but never any real output.
Let's be real if he was linked with Spurs or Arsenal we'd be laughing at them.
Neither did Tadic, apart from the odd bit of genius, and look at him now. Not saying Lemina is as good as Tadic but he's a decent enough player.His play at Southampton simple doesn't warrant a move to a bigger club.