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Trust me I slaughter Woodward almost more than any else in the club here.

However I don't think Ole will be helping his case much at all if he decides to act like a yes man and go on with Woodward's intentions to just keep things positive anyway. These players will get him sacked in the upcoming months if he enters the season with this squad unchanged. He needs to put pressure on the board and as I said he had the advantage of having the fans on his side this time unlike Mourinho when we were divided between him and the board. Otherwise what's the point? The players will get him sacked and he will leave like nothing with the next manager moving on the same footsteps as him.

How am I going to support a manager against the board when he himself is trying to go on with their intentions instead of pressing them to revamp the squad ? I will prefer a manager repelling on the board, pressing them, being forced to leave and getting the entire fan base against the board thanks to that rather than a manager trying to act positive about our business which will ultimately lead to his demise few months later anyway, and will be leaving without helping his case and will be followed by another manager to keep the cycle going. He won't be able to say he was annoyed the board did not support me when some months ago he acted perfectly calm and said we are doing a good job in the market and happy with the squad etc.

If Ole needs support against board he simply needs to show that he's incontent with the current business and market. If he ends up saying he's happy with what we did in the market, it will end up being his problem as much as the rest all honestly. Gonna be hard to support him against the board when he himself showed no problems with what they are doing.
Mate, please tell me which manager will go against the Glazers. Please, please, please do it so we can get him and see what happens, since it's so obvious Ole will feck everything up and get sacked.
 

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And you are sure of that because why? I wish I was able to come to Manchester so we can check this theory in real life.

All of you abusive keyboard warriors talking shit about Ole would never be brave enough to do it in his face though and that's much more factual than your statement.

Also, learn how to quote properly and specify the post that was aimed at you. You should know better by now, you aren't a newbie.
Who said Manchester? I would like to test this theory also and I dont give a flying feck how I quoted anything, you read it didnt you?

And considering I was supporting this club before you were born I will say whatever I feel about the club, manager, players etc because this a forum. It is the point of the website! I don't agree with a lot of the stuff said in here either but from one keyboard warrior to another and in the most polite way possible... get fecked.
 

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Mate, please tell me which manager will go against the Glazers. Please, please, please do it so we can get him and see what happens, since it's so obvious Ole will feck everything up and get sacked.
What prevents him from going against them? He will get sacked if he enters the season with the current squad and he will sacked if he repels against the board.

If you are getting sacked anyway, why not leave on a strong point that you didn't like the way of managing the club or the transfer business, and as a club legend you will have full support from the fans and will put the board into a corner, instead of getting sacked because you tried to act like a positive guy and that backfired on you, so you won't really have any kind of excuse when you leave, as you seemed totally content in public with the board fecking up the squad earlier?

Feels like a no brainer for me.
 

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A lot of this thread is like reading the BS from the illiterate "fans" on twitter, where I've seen people call Ole a "piece of shit", "PE teacher, "Glazer puppet", "fecking idiot" and a lot more derogatory phrases.

My blood is actually boiling from seeing this unfold. :mad:
Yeah I gave up. Everytime I ask what's that about, I am asked to go back to American football cause my tag says NYC, that I am brainwashed by the Glazers, whatever... not that I deny all the problems of the club but I can't believe people would want Ole to show all the problems of the club in public. There is a high chance nobody can pay what United want for Pogba and Lukaku so if they stay, we play with them.
 

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Who said Manchester? I would like to test this theory also and I dont give a flying feck how I quoted anything, you read it didnt you?

And considering I was supporting this club before you were born I will say whatever I feel about the club, manager, players etc because this a forum. It is the point of the website! I don't agree with a lot of the stuff said in here either but from one keyboard warrior to another and in the most polite way possible... get fecked.
I couldn't care less if you supported the club since the 19th century buddy, you aren't being scary with that pseudo-tough talk. Would love to tell you a thing or two myself, but I'd rather keep in line with the RedCafe rules.

It still doesn't excuse your poor understanding of how to navigate the forum functions, for such an elderly and loyal fan, it's a bit embarrassing but it is what it is.
What prevents him from going against them? He will get sacked if he enters the season with the current squad and he will sacked if he repels against the board.

If you are getting sacked anyway, why not leave on a strong point that you didn't like the way of managing the club or the transfer business, and as a club legend you will have full support from the fans and will put the board into a corner, instead of getting sacked because you tried to act like a positive guy and that backfired on you, so you won't really have any kind of excuse when you leave, as you seemed totally content in public with the board fecking up the squad earlier?

Feels like a no brainer for me.
Ok, Ole gets sacked then. Let's pretend I agree with that. Who comes next, who will be the saviour? I'm just curious for your suggestions.
Yeah I gave up. Everytime I ask what's that about, I am asked to go back to American football cause my tag says NYC, that I am brainwashed by the Glazers, whatever... not that I deny all the problems of the club but I can't believe people would want Ole to show all the problems of the club in public. There is a high chance nobody can pay what United want for Pogba and Lukaku so if they stay, we play with them.
You are an excellent and very rational poster mate. It seems the Caf is seriously lacking on those specific characteristics these days.
 

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Ok, Ole gets sacked then. Let's pretend I agree with that. Who comes next, who will be the saviour? I'm just curious for your suggestions.
That's a completely different point though. I am not saying he's the problem, that the major problem is not in the board, or the next manager will have a bigger success rate.

The point is how can I support a manager against the board when he himself looks fully content with what is offered to him and decided to act like a yes man for such board? Doesn't make any kind of sense to me. For me to support him against the board he needs to show his discontent about the way the club is managed. Otherwise he won't have any excuses when he is sacked thanks to these players, because he looked totally fine in public by how the summer business is going. By going that route he will be someone to be blamed then, not the board alone.
 

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That's a completely different point though. I am not saying he's the problem, that the major problem is not in the board, or the next manager will have a bigger success rate.

The point is how can I support a manager against the board when he himself looks fully content with what is offered to him and decided to act like a yes man for such board? Doesn't make any kind of sense to me. For me to support him against the board he needs to show his discontent about the way the club is managed. Otherwise he won't have any excuses when he is sacked thanks to these players, because he looked totally fine in public by how the summer business is going. By going that route he will be someone to be blamed then, not the board alone.
So you are basically saying you won't support any of our future managers? At least it's consistent so I get it.

I don't agree but I understand your position. Personally, there is nothing that can stop me or change my mind in supporting Ole. As long as you don't become extremely abusive like some of the others, I'd respect your opinion. But will never let anyone curse or type obscenities about Solskjaer without a proper deserving reply. Hope you get my point of view as well.
 

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So you are basically saying you won't support any of our future managers? At least it's consistent so I get it.

I don't agree but I understand your position. Personally, there is nothing that can stop me or change my mind in supporting Ole. As long as you don't become extremely abusive like some of the others, I'd respect your opinion. But will never let anyone curse or type obscenities about Solskjaer without a proper deserving reply. Hope you get my point of view as well.
He's the United manager, so tactically and playing wise I will support him when he's doing well and criticize him when he does wrong, just like any manager.

but in terms of manager vs board, if he said in public he's content with what is offered to him and liked the transfer business we are doing the summer, I won't be able to excuse him for that. I will criticize the board, but he will also hold his share of criticism if he liked what the board offered.

Anyway let's hope it will go fine and we won't need all this.
 

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He's the United manager, so tactically and playing wise I will support him when he's doing well and criticize him when he does wrong, just like any manager.

but in terms of manager vs board, if he said in public he's content with what is offered to him and liked the transfer business we are doing the summer, I won't be able to excuse him for that. I will criticize the board, but he will also hold his share of criticism if he liked what the board offered.

Anyway let's hope it will go fine and we won't need all this.
Fair and deserved criticism is fine. What isn't is going overboard and becoming abusive about it, which is the case in a lot of posts in this thread.

I have the utmost faith in Ole, he just fills me with confidence despite the utter wankers we have in our board like Woodward and all his minions.
 

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Don't disagree. Woodward is by far our biggest problem. However, if Ole's intentions is to go on with Woodward ideas and become a yes man to avoid another Mourinho scenario then how is this going to solve anything? Unlike Mourinho, he will have the full support of the fan base so if he goes against the board and demanded revamping the squad or leaving, all the fans will be behind him. He's in a strong position in terms of having fans on his side, so no need to eat his words and try to act like a yes man for Woodward imo.
Lets not jump the gun. Ole will have to work with what he has got first off. We are in a transitional period hopefully where Ole can influence Woodward and the board to make correct decisions over time. Realistically getting the owners and their main man out is a hard ask, especially so for an unproven manager going into his first full season. He'll just get the sack if he causes uproar and why would he focus on that instead of proving himself by getting the most out of the team he has. I have to take a leap of faith an believe changes are being made based on the last years, and that the club is not faffing around in the dark.

As for him being a yes man, I only see that as a clear negative if Woodward has no self-awareness which of course is a possibility. If Woodward and the board are willing to evolve based on previous mistakes, then a good working relationship is the best thing the fans can hope for if we're to see some positive changes not too far down the line.

We have some parallel problems that the board has managed to create and those are easy to solve quick. It all trickles down to the team components and what the manager has to work with, but quick fixes is what got us in this mess. That is what I hope the rebuild is about, not just about getting English players in or swap Pogba for Erikson, but actual changes that we can build on. Making changes to things like the wage-structure and reputation in the transfer-market are things that might hurt us in the short-term but make us more stable in the long run.

I don't see Ole as being this ignorant yes man, doing stupid things because he is told so. I think he has a vision, sold the club on it and got the job on the back of that combined with some of the football we displayed.. and also, yes his likability with the fans.

Hopefully the majority of fans understand this and doesn't make a fuzz out of every little negative we'll see because there will be plenty. It is only if it makes sense, or if it doesn't. Signing on Jones amongst other things doesn't make sense if the purpose is to trim and improve the squad, but if the priority was to make sure we sell some players with value while assuring we're not thin in numbers then it is understandable. I strongly disagree with that particular decision and find it counterproductive, and don't think it was a good one, we have to move on sooner rather than later but at least you can imagine why that happened without thinking Glazers is saving money while Ole is a yes man.
 

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No point burning bridges just because he said what he said. I thought it was interesting that Ole mentioned "we talk too". Think there might be a hint of contract negotiations, which if that was why Pogba made his statement, would make sense. No better way to get a payrise than to say "I'm off".
It may be true, but I don't know if you see the irony of that statement. We used to say United was being used by Madrid's players to get a rise... if would be hilarious if Pogba is using Madrid to get a rise!

Btw keep it up guys, I find it amazing we can talk about soups and flies in the soup in a press conference thread! That's why I love RedCafe! :lol:
 
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I liked Rashford's interview. Classy, composed, mature.
 

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I like it too, but it's clear he's getting briefed. Nothing wrong with that, all the players should be briefed. No more drama.
Rooney could be briefed for months and would never come across like Rashford did today. He's mature and level headed. I keep forgetting how young he really is, just because he hangs out with Lingard. He'll be some player in the coming years.
 

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Rooney could be briefed for months and would never come across like Rashford did today. He's mature and level headed. I keep forgetting how young he really is, just because he hangs out with Lingard. He'll be some player in the coming years.
Haha when you put it that way, that's correct. But I think young Rooney, when briefed, was probably like a bit like that. It's arrogance and ego that change people. What I loved about Rashford in this interview was not what he said, but all the non verbal communication. His stance, and the small nod to show he's trying to capture the question correctly, etc... it shows attention and focus (true or not) and make people feel valued.
 

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Haha when you put it that way, that's correct. But I think young Rooney, when briefed, was probably like a bit like that. It's arrogance and ego that change people. What I loved about Rashford in this interview was not what he said, but all the non verbal communication. His stance, and the small nod to show he's trying to capture the question correctly, etc... it shows attention and focus (true or not) and make people feel valued.
Yeah, you could brief them all, but they'd have to agree with it. I kinda think it's from himself. And stressing that everyone needs to take responsibility as individuals and as a team is exactly what he should be sounding out to the rest of them. He tried too hard at times last season, had errors in his decision making and whatnot, but unlike so many of his teammates, he ran his heart out and fought for 90 minutes each time. I think he was carrying that ankle injury for weeks at the end of the season, still playing (Henderson, the cnut). He definitely cares a great deal.
 

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That'd be tragic. Imagine him reading all these posts, I reckon he'll have to stop visiting for his own sake.
Imagine the shock when he will say during a press conference that he's been reading in a certain forum that he was a "yes man" :lol:.
 

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If the existing bunch of players put in the same amount of effort that they did when Ole first arrived then we would be short odds to make top three this season so with quality additions we should be fine;
It is all about desire and attitude.
 

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I can't actually believe some people thought Ole was attacking good fans, those who makes the ground shake with noise. That is not the supporters he was talking about. He doesn't mean loud in that way. He is referring to the old chestnut of how a minority that yells loud can appear bigger than the majority who may have a different opinion. It means the opinion of the majority isn't being heard on major levels because it gets drowned out from the constant noise from the smaller group. It makes sense that they have to cry and yell to compensate for their small voice. It works.

However, these days it does seem like the influence of twitter etc. is quickly making these crazy small groups expand out to the wider general public, which is pretty scary.
He even said "I don't get it too much of it, Karen sends me once in a while, a little notes. When I'm out there speaking to fans, they are very positive"


Looks like he is talking about the toxic twitter cnuts who keeps abusing every player.
 

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He even said "I don't get it too much of it, Karen sends me once in a while, a little notes. When I'm out there speaking to fans, they are very positive"


Looks like he is talking about the toxic twitter cnuts who keeps abusing every player.
Exactly. I never thought that RedCafe would stoop as low as the vitriol and absolute BS that is being spewed on Twitter. People on there being racist, xenophobic, calling players and the manager derogatory terms on a daily basis.

It totally disillusions me as I never thought that we have so many disgusting supporters, kind of makes me question what future we actually have as a football club.
 

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Exactly. I never thought that RedCafe would stoop as low as the vitriol and absolute BS that is being spewed on Twitter. People on there being racist, xenophobic, calling players and the manager derogatory terms on a daily basis.

It totally disillusions me as I never thought that we have so many disgusting supporters, kind of makes me question what future we actually have as a football club.
Most of them don't watch full press conference or read articles. Just headline and quote without context, then can't wait to lose their shit.
 

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Yes it's. From trying to claim he's ruthless and saying several players will be playing their last game for us to now acting as if it was the journalist's point and paving the road for most of the squad to stay because it's not quick fixes and loads will be success here. Whatever you like it or not, and for whatever reasons, he simply ate his words from last season.

Maybe if he wants to keep things positive all the time he should not have came that confident saying in public last season he will be success here while several players won't and some already played the last game for the club. What were the purpose of these quotes then?
It’s hardly the most outstanding example of somebody eating humble pie or whatever. At the end of the day he also has to be a people manager and to start pre season off by making threats to his squad in public would be bad leadership and would damage the squads morale.
 

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He's the United manager, so tactically and playing wise I will support him when he's doing well and criticize him when he does wrong, just like any manager.

but in terms of manager vs board, if he said in public he's content with what is offered to him and liked the transfer business we are doing the summer, I won't be able to excuse him for that. I will criticize the board, but he will also hold his share of criticism if he liked what the board offered.

Anyway let's hope it will go fine and we won't need all this.
Have you ever worked in an office mate? If you have can you get away with criticizing your boss publicly? And let's say you did it and got sacked (as you alluded in one of your previous posts), how many other employees do you think will be lining up to hire you? After you've publicly slagged off your boss.

It's very easy calling someone a "yes man" but you have to recognize the ground reality also.
 

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About 2 months ago he said some players will never play for us. Only Herrera has left so far. Now he says he's happy with the team. Go figure.
It's the type of shit talking that Mourinho was slammed for, I wonder if Ole will be labelled a bullshiter in the same vein?
 

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Jones is far from a reliable player in fact he's the exact of opposite of a reliable player. Always fecks up in crucial moments and can't stay fit to save his life. His spot in the team could and should be taken by Tuanzebe instead of making up reasons to keep on running the club like some sort of charity.
Really? Always is a big word. Always works sitting at a keyboard, but not generally in field sports.
 

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Ole is not going to come out and say Pogba is this and that in front of the cameras. He has to protect his own job and show respect for the club.
I don't believe everything I read in the papers but I do watch our channel and the Paddy Crerand show. All of the panel (except Paddy) agree that Pogba should be sold. We all seen the video which he stated he wanted a new challenge away from here, and we all know his agent also. Everyone has their own opinion.
Makes sense
 

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That's a completely different point though. I am not saying he's the problem, that the major problem is not in the board, or the next manager will have a bigger success rate.

The point is how can I support a manager against the board when he himself looks fully content with what is offered to him and decided to act like a yes man for such board? Doesn't make any kind of sense to me. For me to support him against the board he needs to show his discontent about the way the club is managed. Otherwise he won't have any excuses when he is sacked thanks to these players, because he looked totally fine in public by how the summer business is going. By going that route he will be someone to be blamed then, not the board alone.
Let it go mate. He doesn't understand this at all.
 

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Have you ever worked in an office mate? If you have can you get away with criticizing your boss publicly? And let's say you did it and got sacked (as you alluded in one of your previous posts), how many other employees do you think will be lining up to hire you? After you've publicly slagged off your boss.

It's very easy calling someone a "yes man" but you have to recognize the ground reality also.
Have you seen Poch pressers last year and this year when he gets questioned about transfers? You can still show discontent with how things are going and he's still in a job, isn't he?
 

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That's a completely different point though. I am not saying he's the problem, that the major problem is not in the board, or the next manager will have a bigger success rate.

The point is how can I support a manager against the board when he himself looks fully content with what is offered to him and decided to act like a yes man for such board? Doesn't make any kind of sense to me. For me to support him against the board he needs to show his discontent about the way the club is managed. Otherwise he won't have any excuses when he is sacked thanks to these players, because he looked totally fine in public by how the summer business is going. By going that route he will be someone to be blamed then, not the board alone.
Were you supporting Jose last season then ? Because he publicly showed his discontent it backfired and got him sacked!
 

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...it will be the fans that save him not Woodward when things get inevitably difficult... The irony is it's probably the loud fans are why he's in the job ... as it was those fans that contributed to Jose getting the sack.
This sounds reasonable;but I have to look at this presser yet.
 

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Have you ever worked in an office mate? If you have can you get away with criticizing your boss publicly? And let's say you did it and got sacked (as you alluded in one of your previous posts), how many other employees do you think will be lining up to hire you? After you've publicly slagged off your boss.

It's very easy calling someone a "yes man" but you have to recognize the ground reality also.
You can criticize your boss especially if you have an important role in the team but definitely not by shit talking about him. Play smart. Say something like "I think X can be improved because of Y..." talk about the objects not the subjects. Talk about improving things for the benefit of the team. Don't attack the person, hint at improvements.

Of course football manager aren't ordinary office managers. Maybe Ole was just trying to be positive as He knew it didn't really matter if He complained or showed dissatisfaction, the market has been becoming worse and worse + We're not in a place of being able to cherry pick players. If He said He wasn't happy that some of the players are still here it'll only make things harder for him.. seeing how We're struggling to get rid of them.

He played it smart and safe but perhaps could have been better with his choice of words.
 

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Have you seen Poch pressers last year and this year when he gets questioned about transfers? You can still show discontent with how things are going and he's still in a job, isn't he?
Poch is much more experienced than Ole, a lot of things we as fans, have no clue of, are at play here. It's unfair to say Ole should have said this or that
 

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Poch is much more experienced than Ole, a lot of things we as fans, have no clue of, are at play here. It's unfair to say Ole should have said this or that
Poch also said "club is trying everything to sign a player" when they signed 0 players last season. More often than not, he protected their board when they didn't spend any money.
 

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Poch also said "club is trying everything to sign a player" when they signed 0 players last season. More often than not, he protected their board when they didn't spend any money.
And he would do exactly the same if he came here. I honestly have no idea what type of manager do some fans believe exists that would come straight after the start of his first pre-season and lay a ton of shit against his employees and the people he has to work with for presumably long time.

We don't have Sir Alex anymore and probably never will again. Realising that is part of identifying where the main issue lies, i.e. the core structure of the club.
 

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Poch is much more experienced than Ole, a lot of things we as fans, have no clue of, are at play here. It's unfair to say Ole should have said this or that
Both have managed clubs for similar amount of time. Ole have been manager for a decade now. People seem to forget that.
 

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Poch also said "club is trying everything to sign a player" when they signed 0 players last season. More often than not, he protected their board when they didn't spend any money.
He also came out and say he didn’t have a final say on transfers.
 

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He also came out and say he didn’t have a final say on transfers.
Yeah, how is that criticizing? That's how it should be. Manager running the transfers is not sustainable.