[Adam-Utd]

This is the part that absolutely disgusted me. We got our reputation of giving chances to our youngsters. Yet the moment our manager promotes an academy lad which is not looking like what we usually want, we slam him as a mere "political tool". I know our fanbase have reached new low throughout the years. But this stood up among the most shameful acts in my opinions.

To be fair promoting him wasn't the issue, it was how he used him.

He threw him into a back 3 away at West Ham when he's NEVER played at centre back before. We got destroyed and then he got subbed. We had Lindelof and Bailly on the bench.

He then used the press conference afterwards to blame it on the squad having no good centre backs. It WAS a big political statement and another nail in the coffin for Jose for many fans.

While i'm sure Jose felt he could make a good centre back in the future, that was not the right time to trial things. It was rightly criticised.

After that he rarely played him which showed a big knock in his confidence until Solskjaer took over.

 

[OsloRed]

I think he has a lot of potential as a combative box-to-box midfielder as many have said in this thread. His tenacity and attitude is fantastic, and he surprised me with his technique and close control towards the tail end of the season. I have a feeling he'll chip in with a couple of vital goals this season.

He is one of the reasons I'm a bit more optimistic about our midfield this season than many others in here. Of course he is young and his form will vary throughout the season, but if he, and by extension us, can have a combative season and keep improving I think we will start to see something coming together by the end of the season.

The new strategy is a bit of a risk, but I'm optimistic. Solskjær has shown in Molde that he can improve young players quite a bit, so I'm looking forward to the season more and more.

 

[Kostur]

I think we need to give Jose some props for seeing something that as fans we don't get to see on a daily basis.
We thought Scott was just being used as a political tool by Jose.

And props to Scott for acknowledging Jose as a positive influence on him.

Lessons learnt: we are way too quick to hype kids up and then slag them off the moment they don't meet our expectations -- despite the fact that coaches who see them every day on the training ground and have more faith in their potential but know that they have to go through growing pains.

Nope, not 'we', only those fecking cultists who'd just do anything to sling shit at Mourinho and who showed how much the 'giving youth a chance' really means to them by constantly berating McTominay for no particular reason apart from being integrated into the squad by Mourinho himself.

 

[sglowrider]

I think he has a lot of potential as a combative box-to-box midfielder as many have said in this thread. His tenacity and attitude is fantastic, and he surprised me with his technique and close control towards the tail end of the season. I have a feeling he'll chip in with a couple of vital goals this season.

He is one of the reasons I'm a bit more optimistic about our midfield this season than many others in here. Of course he is young and his form will vary throughout the season, but if he, and by extension us, can have a combative season and keep improving I think we will start to see something coming together by the end of the season.

The new strategy is a bit of a risk, but I'm optimistic. Solskjær has shown in Molde that he can improve young players quite a bit, so I'm looking forward to the season more and more.

Me too. The expectations are so low. They can play a few triangles and I would be leaping off my sofa.

 

[OsloRed]

Me too. The expectations are so low. They can play a few triangles and I would be leaping off my sofa.

Just the fact that what we are hearing out of United this summer is some positivity compared to whatever last summer was, is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Bestietom]

Scott has improved a lot and is still improving, but we need 2 more players for our midfield, as Ole said at end of season.

 

[sglowrider]

Just the fact that what we are hearing out of United this summer is some positivity compared to whatever last summer was, is a breath of fresh air.

Who really irritates me are the cnuts who are already claiming that Ole is out of his depth etc. This is his very first transfer window FFS.

If he was some guy off the street I can understand but he is a United legend and yet people aren't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has earned our trust (-- that is, its all about United and not some payslip) and loyalty for the stuff he has done in the past.

And to think they claim to be United supporters... like feck they are.

 

[Bestietom]

Who really irritates me are the cnuts who are already claiming that Ole is out of his depth etc. This is his very first transfer window FFS.

If he was some guy off the street I can understand but he is a United legend and yet people aren't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has earned our trust (-- that is, its all about United and not some payslip) and loyalty for the stuff he has done in the past.

And to think they claim to be United supporters... like feck they are.

Well said. Ole is one of us and would give his heart and soul for Manchester United. Other managers are just after the money.
Give him a Chance.

 

[sglowrider]

Well said. Ole is one of us and would give his heart and soul for Manchester United. Other managers are just after the money.
Give him a Chance.

We have tried various types of experienced managers and their respective philosophies. And they have all crashed and burnt from various perspectives. Let's have a fresh approach and try one of our own for the very first time. Sure he will make mistakes but we owe him that much to stick with him.

The alternative would be to sack him like a young Fergie? Then i can see United being a poison chalice of a role. I think Woodward doesnt have much of a choice now with Ole. He cant afford to sack another within a contract period.

If all footballing strategic mistakes (since his reign), have not already been arrowing at him already, it will if he pre-maturely gets rid of Ole. He will be the man who fecked up a golden egg -- and will be a case study/icon in both football coaching courses and business schools.

 

[shamans]

Okay I'm convinced this guy is our future captain

 

[shamans]

Who really irritates me are the cnuts who are already claiming that Ole is out of his depth etc. This is his very first transfer window FFS.

If he was some guy off the street I can understand but he is a United legend and yet people aren't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has earned our trust (-- that is, its all about United and not some payslip) and loyalty for the stuff he has done in the past.

And to think they claim to be United supporters... like feck they are.

New age fans. They don't understand this club and want us to be like any other "big club" rotating managers in and out.

 

[DoomSlayer]

New age fans. They don't understand this club and want us to be like any other "big club" rotating managers in and out.

I'm a relatively young fan and still one of Ole's biggest defenders. Not all are like that but it's really sad to see.

 

[Striker10]

Oles not the problem. In fact for a period we played with a lot of freedom but the players are weak mentally as a group

 

[sglowrider]

Okay I'm convinced this guy is our future captain

A great example of what old school academy lads are supposed to be. Regardless of their talent levels (and they were usually pretty decent to make a professional living) they United academy lads were always known to be decent boys first & foremost.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

He’s looked a lot better since given more of a box to box role. As a holding player he’s very limited and don’t know why he is often touted for that role. But his physicality, fitness and effort compensate for limitations a bit more when pushed forward.

Looking at the other options:

Fred - mistakes maker.
Matic - declined.
Pogba - not suitable.
Andreas - lack defensive awareness.​

No wonder.

Yeah, better as B2B, decent at holding. Some games though I think it's best if he play either solo or duo with partner at holding mid/DMF. I think when he's playing as #8 and positionally way up high the field, each time his teammates making mistakes at the back and losing possession, he's just not quick enough to get back to help - lacking top speed and all. Depending on games eg. vs pacy team or some big games, we need him more there, he's just that reliable.

Hard to work out if there is much more to come or if main reason he has stood out in some games is because he’s one of few who actually put in any effort.

Football Intelligence imo, the biggest reason why he's so effective.
Get all the football basics right, and strangely the game became way easier.
Not too obvious, but I'm sure we'll be seeing that more and more -- the intelligence.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

I love McSauce, big fan. Think he'll be an important squad player for years to come. His size and athleticism is ideal for the PL too.

Because he's so 'saucy' to ya?

 

[Runaway Sue]

We have tried various types of experienced managers and their respective philosophies. And they have all crashed and burnt from various perspectives. Let's have a fresh approach and try one of our own for the very first time. Sure he will make mistakes but we owe him that much to stick with him.

The alternative would be to sack him like a young Fergie? Then i can see United being a poison chalice of a role. I think Woodward doesnt have much of a choice now with Ole. He cant afford to sack another within a contract period.

If all footballing strategic mistakes (since his reign), have not already been arrowing at him already, it will if he pre-maturely gets rid of Ole. He will be the man who fecked up a golden egg -- and will be a case study/icon in both football coaching courses and business schools.

Sigh, this again.. Do you even realise how utterly stupid argument this is? Hey, how about hire me if Ole fails? And if i fail we can try my dog. If he fails we might try the ticks on his back? I mean, new approach and all.

We should always aim to get the best personnel possible. Just because we have failed with proven managers we should go for some manager who relegated a PL side already and was a total disaster? In what world is that logic?

"He is one of us"-argument just doesnt cut it for me. We made a major mistake in hiring a failed manager based on his reputation as a footballer. And dont start with Molde, the norwegian league is most likely the worst league in Europe.

 

[Raven]

Gone from being absolutely disgusted by the sight of his name on a teamsheet early last season to being the most exciting player this season for me. I hold my hands way up

It's not quite this extreme for me, but not far off. I genuinely think this lad can be a starter for us in future, at the top level. Maybe I'm over stating his ability a little, but from what I've seen of his development, which is ever senior game he's played, I don't really see a weakness in his game.

 

[Raven]

To be fair promoting him wasn't the issue, it was how he used him.

He threw him into a back 3 away at West Ham when he's NEVER played at centre back before. We got destroyed and then he got subbed. We had Lindelof and Bailly on the bench.

He then used the press conference afterwards to blame it on the squad having no good centre backs. It WAS a big political statement and another nail in the coffin for Jose for many fans.

While i'm sure Jose felt he could make a good centre back in the future, that was not the right time to trial things. It was rightly criticised.

After that he rarely played him which showed a big knock in his confidence until Solskjaer took over.

Yeah, exactly this, he was used as a political tool. No two ways about it. Doesn't take away from him being a good player, with room for improvement.

 

[Litch]

Said it before, if this lad played for Southampton we would be questioning the clubs ambition if we were linked with him. This lad is bang ordinary.....

 

[Raven]

Said it before, if this lad played for Southampton we would be questioning the clubs ambition if we were linked with him. This lad is bang ordinary.....

In what sense?

 

[Adam-Utd]

Said it before, if this lad played for Southampton we would be questioning the clubs ambition if we were linked with him. This lad is bang ordinary.....

That’s unfair I think. He’s really kicked on well recently and has scored a few times, he’s adding more to his game.

He’s always going to be a workhorse but there’s nothing wrong with that, you need some Indians with your chiefs.

 

[haram]

Seeing people acting like fans weren’t bashing the lad and claiming he was only in the team because he was tall ahahaha. Lies and more lies.

 

[El Zoido]

I can’t be the only one that can’t fecking stand this “McSauce” nickname..

 

[Litch]

In what sense?

Because he's all about size and serious lacks technical ability. Nice lad but if he was 5'10, he wouldn't be anywhere near the team. Jose used him as a pawn and creating that stupid award was ridiculous. In fact on reflection he says everything about what we are about....

 

[Litch]

That’s unfair I think. He’s really kicked on well recently and has scored a few times, he’s adding more to his game.

He’s always going to be a workhorse but there’s nothing wrong with that, you need some Indians with your chiefs.

I have no agenda but my bar is set higher than just workhorse. You want to see hard working plus quality, look at Choudhury at Leicester.

 

[Roboc7]

Looking at the other options:

Fred - mistakes maker.
Matic - declined.
Pogba - not suitable.
Andreas - lack defensive awareness.​

No wonder.

Yeah, better as B2B, decent at holding. Some games though I think it's best if he play either solo or duo with partner at holding mid/DMF. I think when he's playing as #8 and positionally way up high the field, each time his teammates making mistakes at the back and losing possession, he's just not quick enough to get back to help - lacking top speed and all. Depending on games eg. vs pacy team or some big games, we need him more there, he's just that reliable.


Football Intelligence imo, the biggest reason why he's so effective.
Get all the football basics right, and strangely the game became way easier.
Not too obvious, but I'm sure we'll be seeing that more and more -- the intelligence.

Think he is suited to the bigger games, simple instructions and make use of his physical attributes, doesn’t read the game that well but is disciplined and hard working.

That will buy him some time but he’ll have to kick on at some point and I’m 50/50 whether he can that or not if he wants to play regularly. Other than Pogba (when he’s in mood) all our midfielders are basically do a job and make do players and he’s firmly in that bracket at the moment.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I have no agenda but my bar is set higher than just workhorse. You want to see hard working plus quality, look at Choudhury at Leicester.

I don’t think he’s any more impressive, mctominay has had good games against PSG and Barca.

 

[Cassidy]

I don’t think he’s any more impressive, mctominay has had good games against PSG and Barca.

He certainly looks more impressive. Mctominays good games vs those sides were not for his quality on the ball

 

[Adam-Utd]

He certainly looks more impressive. Mctominays good games vs those sides were not for his quality on the ball

He’s never looked uncomfortable on the ball to me. The grass is always greener!

 

[Cassidy]

He’s never looked uncomfortable on the ball to me. The grass is always greener!

I never said uncomfortable though did I, I'm saying he never stood out for his quality on the ball where as Choudhury has. They are different types of players don't know who will be better

 

[Litch]

I don’t think he’s any more impressive, mctominay has had good games against PSG and Barca.

Yeh right...

 

[sglowrider]

New age fans. They don't understand this club and want us to be like any other "big club" rotating managers in and out.

case in point

Sigh, this again.. Do you even realise how utterly stupid argument this is? Hey, how about hire me if Ole fails? And if i fail we can try my dog. If he fails we might try the ticks on his back? I mean, new approach and all.

We should always aim to get the best personnel possible. Just because we have failed with proven managers we should go for some manager who relegated a PL side already and was a total disaster? In what world is that logic?

"He is one of us"-argument just doesnt cut it for me. We made a major mistake in hiring a failed manager based on his reputation as a footballer. And dont start with Molde, the norwegian league is most likely the worst league in Europe.

 

[Bwuk]

Better than Andreas or Matic nowadays.

 

[Raven]

Because he's all about size and serious lacks technical ability. Nice lad but if he was 5'10, he wouldn't be anywhere near the team. Jose used him as a pawn and creating that stupid award was ridiculous. In fact on reflection he says everything about what we are about....

I think that's incredibly unfair. The lad has good technique, doesn't lose the ball, passes between the lines well and has found his shooting boots. What do you think makes a good midfielder?

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Those forward passes after passes.

I like his understanding with Pogba in a two-man midfield, both playing B2B roles.

Awesome.

 

[Litch]

I think that's incredibly unfair. The lad has good technique, doesn't lose the ball, passes between the lines well and has found his shooting boots. What do you think makes a good midfielder?

For me he's wooden and one dimensional. Not saying he's a bad player but don't get the fact the a DM needs to not have the ability to do more. For me he's just a young Matic.....

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Would be very surprised if he's not a starting XI player next season.

 

[Nick7]

Would be very surprised if he's not a starting XI player next season.

He will be. He's improved so much already and looked good again today. Probably the best of the central midfielders

 

[Kostur]

Been our best midfielder today I thought, I like him.