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The overthrow rule is stupid. What if I position myself in front of the wicket when completing a run and clobber the ball for a six, does that mean six overthrows.
No, that is clearly defined in the rules and the batsman would be out.

I'm starting to suspect that a lot of the complaints are coming from people who were watching their first cricket game yesterday.
 

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So, how would a 'test match' world cup tournament look like?

Cant get my head around the time, geography and logistics and format, to see how it works.

I know ICC have discussed in the past and its never really got beyond very loose concept stage.

Any ideas?
 

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So, how would a 'test match' world cup tournament look like?

Cant get my head around the time, geography and logistics and format, to see how it works.

I know ICC have discussed in the past and its never really got beyond very loose concept stage.

Any ideas?
Top 2 ranked teams play off in a best of 3 series in a neutral venue.
 

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Top 2 ranked teams play off in a best of 3 series in a neutral venue.
So how do you determine top 2?

Let's assume Eng, Ind, Aus, Pak, NZ, SL, Bang, SA, WI as 9 teams.
A round robin, where all teams play each other home and away for 1 test.
So that would be 72 test matches, with some nutty logistics worked in. 72 * 5 days = 360 days of play. And everybody plays everybody
360 days of play can be managed over 3.5 years to then culminate in the Final. Or even top 4 into a semi, and then a 3 series final (multi location for each test)

That could replace all the current bi-lateral series that mean nothing. In this instance every test match feed into a greater cup. Teams get rewarded for winning games and final league position. I think it could generate some very good global TV deals, so generate more monies than current.

It becomes a 4 yearly endeavour. Could work. Would be amazing!
 

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They kind of cheated by choosing 12. I also don't agree with a lot of it!

What is everyone team of the tournament, based solo on tournament performances?
 

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Says Moeen Ali:

Once again you will have seen Rashid and myself stepping away when the champagne was sprayed on the podium and I find it weird that people still think it is strange that we do it. We respect our teammates and their desire to do this, they respect our beliefs. It’s really that simple.

The amazing thing about our team is that guys took time out very early on to talk to us about our religion and our culture. They have made adjustments for us and we have for them. And we live in harmony.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/15/diversity-strength-england-win-cricket-world-cup
 

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They kind of cheated by choosing 12. I also don't agree with a lot of it!

What is everyone team of the tournament, based solo on tournament performances?
Rohit Sharma
David Warner
Kane Williamson
Shakib Al Hasan
Joe Root
Ben Stokes
Alex Carey
Mitchell Starc
Jofra Archer
Lockie Ferguson
Jasprit Bumrah

Same team but Warner instead of Roy
 

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The one question I have is why should a throw from a fielder that bounces of the running batsmen lead to overthrows?

Before people jump on me, this is not about canceling that 6 runs / England cheated etc. Imo that was just tremendous luck.

Back to question, wouldn't a better rule be ball is dead if it hits the batsmen in attempt to run out?
 

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The one question I have is why should a throw from a fielder that bounces of the running batsmen lead to overthrows?

Before people jump on me, this is not about canceling that 6 runs / England cheated etc. Imo that was just tremendous luck.

Back to question, wouldn't a better rule be ball is dead if it hits the batsmen in attempt to run out?
Then everyone will target the batsmen instead of stumps in tight situation to get a dead ball situation
 

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Then everyone will target the batsmen instead of stumps in tight situation to get a dead ball situation
Wouldn't it be better to get the batsman run out?

And also if you want a dead ball situation just throw the ball back. No need to hit anybody.
 

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Wouldn't it be better to get the batsman run out?

And also if you want a dead ball situation just throw the ball back. No need to hit anybody.
I personally think it's a bad idea. A fielder may find it easy to hit the batsmen as he's a bigger target than the stumps. This is an unneeded fix for an instance that doesn't occur often. Batsmen do not run when it takes a deflection anyway. I've played street cricket tournaments and even then, I've only seen people like Vidared and Sammsky even attempt those kinds of runs. But, if others here think it's a good idea, then I will revise my opinion.
 

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Says Moeen Ali:

Once again you will have seen Rashid and myself stepping away when the champagne was sprayed on the podium and I find it weird that people still think it is strange that we do it. We respect our teammates and their desire to do this, they respect our beliefs. It’s really that simple.

The amazing thing about our team is that guys took time out very early on to talk to us about our religion and our culture. They have made adjustments for us and we have for them. And we live in harmony.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/15/diversity-strength-england-win-cricket-world-cup
I love moeen, he comes across as such a decent guy. He’s well loved in Worcestershire.
 

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Rohit Sharma
David Warner
Kane Williamson
Shakib Al Hasan
Joe Root
Ben Stokes
Alex Carey
Mitchell Starc
Jofra Archer
Lockie Ferguson
Jasprit Bumrah

Same team but Warner instead of Roy
Aye. Roy was unlucky to get injured, had he not he'd probably be in as he played the more positive cricket but even a relatively off-colour Warner piled the runs on. I'd also give Finch, Baber Azam and Boult honourable mentions.
 

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I personally think it's a bad idea. A fielder may find it easy to hit the batsmen as he's a bigger target than the stumps. This is an unneeded fix for an instance that doesn't occur often. Batsmen do not run when it takes a deflection anyway. I've played street cricket tournaments and even then, I've only seen people like Vidared and Sammsky even attempt those kinds of runs. But, if others here think it's a good idea, then I will revise my opinion.
:lol:

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I personally think it's a bad idea. A fielder may find it easy to hit the batsmen as he's a bigger target than the stumps. This is an unneeded fix for an instance that doesn't occur often. Batsmen do not run when it takes a deflection anyway. I've played street cricket tournaments and even then, I've only seen people like Vidared and Sammsky even attempt those kinds of runs. But, if others here think it's a good idea, then I will revise my opinion.
:lol:
 

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So how do you determine top 2?

Let's assume Eng, Ind, Aus, Pak, NZ, SL, Bang, SA, WI as 9 teams.
A round robin, where all teams play each other home and away for 1 test.
So that would be 72 test matches, with some nutty logistics worked in. 72 * 5 days = 360 days of play. And everybody plays everybody
360 days of play can be managed over 3.5 years to then culminate in the Final. Or even top 4 into a semi, and then a 3 series final (multi location for each test)

That could replace all the current bi-lateral series that mean nothing. In this instance every test match feed into a greater cup. Teams get rewarded for winning games and final league position. I think it could generate some very good global TV deals, so generate more monies than current.

It becomes a 4 yearly endeavour. Could work. Would be amazing!
They worked out the format ages ago. Test championship starts in a couple of weeks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–21_ICC_World_Test_Championship
 

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Like Bairstow and Roy did in the semi? Roy's shot would have been a dot ball but it deflected off Bairstow to mid wicket and they stole a single.
Was an obvious mix-up though and both of them apologised for doing it.
 

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I really like the Aussie seam attack. Their Batsman have been pathetic against the swinging ball on recent tours though. Tough series to call.
The Aussies do have a fantastic attack but keeping fitness for a full 5 match test series played over only 7 weeks given the injury history of many of their quicks is a massive issue.
 

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The one question I have is why should a throw from a fielder that bounces of the running batsmen lead to overthrows?

Before people jump on me, this is not about canceling that 6 runs / England cheated etc. Imo that was just tremendous luck.

Back to question, wouldn't a better rule be ball is dead if it hits the batsmen in attempt to run out?
No you throw the ball back there should be risk there.
If the ball was dead you’d get teams throwing down the stumps when they know the batter is home.
I like the fact that if you throw the ball without anyone backing up there is a chance of extra runs.
 

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I personally think it's a bad idea. A fielder may find it easy to hit the batsmen as he's a bigger target than the stumps. This is an unneeded fix for an instance that doesn't occur often. Batsmen do not run when it takes a deflection anyway. I've played street cricket tournaments and even then, I've only seen people like Vidared and Sammsky even attempt those kinds of runs. But, if others here think it's a good idea, then I will revise my opinion.
:lol:
 

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Is there some political significance to Rashid and Ali playing for England instead of Pakistan, given they have Kashmiran heritage?
No more to do with one of them being a Brummie and the other being from Bradford. Both seem proud of their Pakistani heritage as well and include Pakistani cricketers as their heroes.

In any case I don’t think any of the Subcontinent have ever picked anyone who has grown up in England.
 

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No more to do with one of them being a Brummie and the other being from Bradford. Both seem proud of their Pakistani heritage as well and include Pakistani cricketers as their heroes.

In any case I don’t think any of the Subcontinent have ever picked anyone who has grown up in England.
Don't you mean an Englishman who was born in Asia? Besides, I don't think thats very common.
 

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I can't believe that I'm reading a story today suggesting that there should be an option for future World Cups to be shared.

How can you possibly suggest that such a major international tournament won't have an outright winner? How do you celebrate only winning 50% of the trophy?!

There should always be contingency plans for draws/ ties and let's be honest there's a good chance we might never see anything like that in a final again anyway.

Personally I think replaying the super over until there is a winner would be better than boundary count but as long as every country is aware of the rules & regulations at the start of the tournament that's all that matters.

To say that all the teams can work so hard for 4 years to have to share the trophy is ludicrous.
 

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Don't you mean an Englishman who was born in Asia? Besides, I don't think thats very common.
No, picking someone who grew up in England but with Asian heritage e.g. Pakistan picking Moeen Ali which is what Classical asked for. Can’t think of a single one like that for either for any of the Asian teams.

I know Pakistan have Imad Wasim who was born in Cardiff but he grew up in Pakistan.
 
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No, picking someone who grew up in England but with Asian heritage e.g. Pakistan picking Moeen Ali which is what Classical asked for. Can’t think of a single one like that for either for any of the Asian teams.

I know Pakistan have Imad Wasim who was born in Cardiff but he grew up in Pakistan.
Think it was Shadab who grew up here in the UK.

But yeah, rarely happens.
 

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Can we please cut the political crap from this thread? The discussion about colonization earlier was disgraceful enough to have any more of such shit.
They were born in england, spent their lives in england, why would they play for Pakistan? Not to mention we have almost always have better spinners.
No more to do with one of them being a Brummie and the other being from Bradford. Both seem proud of their Pakistani heritage as well and include Pakistani cricketers as their heroes.

In any case I don’t think any of the Subcontinent have ever picked anyone who has grown up in England.
Woah woah I was just curious. I didn't realise dual nationals didn't work in cricket like they work in football with everyone trying to nab each other's players.
 

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It doesn't make sense to play for India/Pakistan/bangladesh if you are british asian. It's just seriously inconvenient.

Most of your families live in the UK, so you would spend almost not time with them. Your home series would like the away series - away from your own home and family.
 

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Woah woah I was just curious. I didn't realise dual nationals didn't work in cricket like they work in football with everyone trying to nab each other's players.
Yeah it does happen but it’s not quite free in movement than football is. England for example will mostly pick players from the English county clubs and it can be similar elsewhere.
 

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I can't believe that I'm reading a story today suggesting that there should be an option for future World Cups to be shared.

How can you possibly suggest that such a major international tournament won't have an outright winner? How do you celebrate only winning 50% of the trophy?!

There should always be contingency plans for draws/ ties and let's be honest there's a good chance we might never see anything like that in a final again anyway.

Personally I think replaying the super over until there is a winner would be better than boundary count but as long as every country is aware of the rules & regulations at the start of the tournament that's all that matters.

To say that all the teams can work so hard for 4 years to have to share the trophy is ludicrous.
Yeah i think sharing it would have been a terrible end.

Genuinely much worse than boundaries countback.
 

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Imad Wasim not Shadab. Grew up in Wale, one of Swansea or Cardiff but moved to Pakistan when he was young.
Oh, my bad.

Think its hard to get to attain a dual passport and isnt that deemed a requirement to be able to play for another country that isn't your birth place?
 

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I can't believe that I'm reading a story today suggesting that there should be an option for future World Cups to be shared.

How can you possibly suggest that such a major international tournament won't have an outright winner? How do you celebrate only winning 50% of the trophy?!

There should always be contingency plans for draws/ ties and let's be honest there's a good chance we might never see anything like that in a final again anyway.

Personally I think replaying the super over until there is a winner would be better than boundary count but as long as every country is aware of the rules & regulations at the start of the tournament that's all that matters.

To say that all the teams can work so hard for 4 years to have to share the trophy is ludicrous.
Football shootouts go on until someone misses- should have been the same for a super over especially when its considered its own event.
 

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Can't really compare football and cricket when it comes to playing for a different country to the one you're born or live in. In football you're only away with your country for four international breaks (40 days) and possibly a further month if you qualify for summer tournaments. In cricket you've almost got to live in that country to play for them with central contracts, training camps, domestic competitions and not to mention the high frequency of international matches.
 

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Yeah it does happen but it’s not quite free in movement than football is. England for example will mostly pick players from the English county clubs and it can be similar elsewhere.
Can't really compare football and cricket when it comes to playing for a different country to the one you're born or live in. In football you're only away with your country for four international breaks (40 days) and possibly a further month if you qualify for summer tournaments. In cricket you've almost got to live in that country to play for them with central contracts, training camps, domestic competitions and not to mention the high frequency of international matches.
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