Matthijs De Ligt | Juventus Player

[damageinc.]

Give me the last time both European competitions had all Italian finals.

I’ll give you another mind blowing fact, English teams have won more CL/European Cups than Italian teams. Both overall and since the turn of the century.

Edit: Italian teams have definitely dominated match fixings, I’ll give you that.

Nowdays Serie A is not even the shadow of what used to be... but even Epl with their inflated market will never attract the bigger players on the planet becouse there are Barcelona, Real, Juve, Psg, Bayern that are capable to beat the English clubs economically... back in the days I remember small italian clubs like Parma or Brescia able to buy some of the best players from Real and Barca (Hagi and Stoichkov) which is crazy...
you can use whatever calculator you want about how many CL or European cups there are between italian and English clubs (just one anyway), but I didn’t reflect on success based on just number of certain European trophies (Nott Forest and Villa could be considered bigger or more successful than Arsenal?)...but attracting players from the top to the last team of the league

You could have add the World Cups count just to make more relevant your elaboration.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Serie A is being held back by the Milan giants. Inter is about to sort itself out but only God knows what Milan is up to. the other sides are holding up their ends of the bargain.

 

[RedCurry]

Nowdays Serie A is not even the shadow of what used to be... but even Epl with their inflated market will never attract the bigger players on the planet becouse there are Barcelona, Real, Juve, Psg, Bayern that are capable to beat the English clubs economically... back in the days I remember small italian clubs like Parma or Brescia able to buy some of the best players from Real and Barca (Hagi and Stoichkov) which is crazy...
you can use whatever calculator you want about how many CL or European cups there are between italian and English clubs (just one anyway), but I didn’t reflect on success based on just number of certain European trophies (Nott Forest and Villa could be considered bigger or more successful than Arsenal?)...but attracting players from the top to the last team of the league

You could have add the World Cups count just to make more relevant your elaboration.

Ah yeah the same Stoichkov who played for the mighty Al-Nassr in Saudi Arabia and at Chicago Fire. That’s surely meant to be a better “calculator” of European dominance than some sort of a random “calculator” like European trophies.

I bet De Ligt aspires to play at Al Nassr or Chicago Fire in a couple of years

 

[Red Keane]

If the day does come when the Glazers are finally forced out of the club (or sell it), the first thing they should be doing is pay for De Ligt's release clause ASAP and then curse Woodwood for having to spend 70 Million more on a player that could have been signed up for 80 Million instead. That's how much of a cock up he has done over this deal. And for the record I am perfectly aware that we where not really in the race for him...

As for De Ligt himself, while Juventus itself is not a bad choice in itself. The fact is that this is the same side he helped humliate barely a few months ago and (Unless Juventus get the additional players they need to build a CL winning side between now & September) thus, he clearly could have picked a better option rather than let someone like Raiola (a guy that has an unhealthy obsession with making as much money out of his clients as possible rather than actually doing the job he is paid to and represent his best interests) decide his entire future career on his behalf

The most expensive CB in the world, according to Transfermarkt:

Rio Ferdinand still in the top 10

The fact that Rio Ferdinand is still among our most expensive CB signings (Only Bailly at £34 Million and Lindelof at £31.5 Million cost more, despite both deals happening after a decade and a half worth of transfer inflation) says a lot about the state of our defence, as well as the cost of what it would take to fix it.

And yet still some people think that Guardiola is the messiah!

To be fair to Pep, at least the CB signings that he made have been generally sucessfull (when they are not getting embarrassed by human lamposts during CL Quarter-Finals...or seem hell bent on passing the ball backwards at all costs during Nation League Semi-Finals for that matter...). Something that cannot be said for the likes of Nicholas "Error Prone" Otamendi and Eliaquim "I cant't believe I cost so much" Mangala.

In fact between the takeover and the signing of Stones & Laporte (who lets not forget are not yet as good as Kompany was in his prime), their record on signing CB's has been pretty terrible quite to say the least.

They still won't win the champions league.

For that to happen, they need to sign 2 FB's, 2 CM's, 2 Wingers and a Striker at the very least.

Well, he's still never won the CL with anyonr but Barca. He's got record points tallies in the domestic leagues, but he really should have a CL or 2 under his belt at this stage.

For me, the reason why he has failed to win CL's at both Bayern & Manchester City (to date) is largely to the fact both those sides had a lack of squad competition/strength in depth (despite the talents that both clubs under his watch had) to compete for both the League & CL, coupled with the fact that Pep is pretty reluctant to adopt more pragmatic tatics and it explains a lot about his failure to win it since 2011.

 

[Fer]

It's clear that De Ligt is the best young CB at the moment and his potential is huge. But in your opinion, what's the top 3 of young CBs?

 

[Dancfc]

Must be hard for Ajax fans seeing all these young players coming through knowing you will get a few seasons out of them max. I guess that's the case for all clubs bar a handful however if we can get our current crop through under Lampard part of the joy for me would be seeing them grow into their prime and beyond at the club.

I'm just trying to imagine an alternative universe where Terry or Gerrard left at 20 or the class of 92 were cherry picked by Juve, Real, Milan etc in the mid 90's, i guess we're really lucky to play in a league player's want to be a part of.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Must be hard for Ajax fans seeing all these young players coming through knowing you will get a few seasons out of them max. I guess that's the case for all clubs bar a handful however if we can get our current crop through under Lampard part of the joy for me would be seeing them grow into their prime and beyond at the club.

I'm just trying to imagine an alternative universe where Terry or Gerrard left at 20 or the class of 92 were cherry picked by Juve, Real, Milan etc in the mid 90's, i guess we're really lucky to play in a league player's want to be a part of.

Yes and no. It was particularly hard in 1995 when Ajax was to replace Milan and rule Europe for half a decade, with Bosman kicking in and no time to prepare. These days it looks much better. With good managers and a decent policy Ajax can be a regular contender for the Europa league and the K.O. stage of the CL. From that position there's a lot possible in a particularly good season like the last one.

It's also partly fair game, there are bigger clubs than Ajax just like there are bigger cities than Amsterdam in bigger countries than the Netherlands with bigger leagues. In the 60's and 70's players were bought by the giants of football too, and that didn't prevent Ajax from winning the EC1 3 times in a row. So yes, with a but.

And there's a 'no'. You think there has been any club last season that made it's supporters more proud and happy than Ajax? It's not even close, can't be. It's just not possible for the rich clubs to perform this kind of heroics. There's just a different kind of glory in unfair battles, clubs like Real, Barca, Liverpool and City only know mediocre glory these days, they can't write fairytales. And it's genuine pride, it's not a freak occurence like with Leicester, they have every right to be ecstatic, proud and euforic but it's different. This is what Ajax does as a product of what it is as a club and how it approaches football, not every year, not every 10 years and the ultimate not even every 25 years (still one year to go.....), but punching massively above it's weight from time to time with it's own style and attitude is what Ajax did, does and will do in the future. It's the Ajax way and that's more special and loveable than any other way.

 

[B & W]

Nowdays Serie A is not even the shadow of what used to be... but even Epl with their inflated market will never attract the bigger players on the planet becouse there are Barcelona, Real, Juve, Psg, Bayern that are capable to beat the English clubs economically... back in the days I remember small italian clubs like Parma or Brescia able to buy some of the best players from Real and Barca (Hagi and Stoichkov) which is crazy...
you can use whatever calculator you want about how many CL or European cups there are between italian and English clubs (just one anyway), but I didn’t reflect on success based on just number of certain European trophies (Nott Forest and Villa could be considered bigger or more successful than Arsenal?)...but attracting players from the top to the last team of the league

You could have add the World Cups count just to make more relevant your elaboration.

Ah yeah the same Stoichkov who played for the mighty Al-Nassr in Saudi Arabia and at Chicago Fire. That’s surely meant to be a better “calculator” of European dominance than some sort of a random “calculator” like European trophies.

I bet De Ligt aspires to play at Al Nassr or Chicago Fire in a couple of years

If you prefer you can think to another period, in the 80ies, when Juventus signed Platini and Boniek, Napoli Maradona and Careca, Inter Rummenigge and Matthaeus, Roma Falcao and Cerezo and other smaller sides could sign a huge number of other great players. Turin Leo Junior, Fiorentina Socrates, and the craziest one: Udinese Zico.

 

[damageinc.]

If you prefer you can think to another period, in the 80ies, when Juventus signed Platini and Boniek, Napoli Maradona and Careca, Inter Rummenigge and Matthaeus, Roma Falcao and Cerezo and other smaller sides could sign a huge number of other great players. Turin Leo Junior, Fiorentina Socrates, and the craziest one: Udinese Zico.

I've already answered about '80s but he didn't get the point

Maybe he could be decent in the '90s..... don't know if he would survive in the '80s Serie A....

anyway to give you a comparasion about "dominance".... give me a foreigner top player on the level of Zico (Udinese), Sokrates/Passarella (Fiorentina), Elkjaer/Briegel (Verona), Maradona/Careca (Napoli), Junior/Scifo (Torino),etc. playing for clubs of that level in England nowdays?

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[B & W]

I've already answered about '80s but he didn't get the point

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I didn't see your post. Names are quite the sames, too.

 

[Gehrman]

´When did Juve get so rich?

 

[RooneyLegend]

´When did Juve get so rich?

They arent that rich, what they do is spend big money where they have to.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Over three halves of football Spurs have now scored 5 goals when he's been in the opposing team.

That's what you get for not following in the footsteps of Eriksen and Vertonghen

 

[Relevated]

I read some quote where he addresses the fat dad rumours and goes on about how we didn't want him because of it


Which twat in our recruitment team made that decision?

 

[VorZakone]

I read some quote where he addresses the fat dad rumours and goes on about how we didn't want him because of it


Which twat in our recruitment team made that decision?

I don't think he was actually serious about that? Just that he heard rumors that he wasn't wanted because of his fat dad. The gist was that the media was writing lots of nonsense.

 

[SATA]

I read some quote where he addresses the fat dad rumours and goes on about how we didn't want him because of it


Which twat in our recruitment team made that decision?

We didn’t want him or he didn’t want us? I think it’s the latter you know

 

[Fer]

Besides De Ligt, there are a lot of young talented CBs like Konate, Upamecano, Milenkovic, Tah, Diop, Saliba...

Which young CB do you think is going to end up being better than De Ligt?

 

[Hughes35]

Spoiler

Just wtf is this picture? De Ligt looks like a digital person from FIFA 15.

Either way, congratulations you big moron. You've just said hello to any sort of glory in your career. Honestly, even a guy like me wouldn't want to play as a professional in Serie A. They can keep on buying as many players as they want. The minute they arrive they become irrelevant. America's been doing the same thing since the early 90's and their league is still as uninteresting and irrelevant as ever. They don't care about the sport and it won't make a difference how many random average "stars" you buy or how many semi retired dorks you manage to lure over with your BUCKS. fecking franchise is a laughing stock and erodes pretty much the only thing you shouldn't touch. Just watch 20 000 fans show up for a division 2 game with not a star player within a million miles. Do you think they'd show up if you'd change the team logo to a JJ and renamed them? Go kill yourself.

It's SHIT Shit And BULLSHIT!! You cannot BUY your way to an interesting league. No one cares about the league - not one fecking bit. It's all down to culture within a country - and I don't care how many fans are there either. Your league is SHIT and it STINKS SHIT. You can buy as many freaking pubs as you like - no one will want to go there. Just stay within your own business and let your money roll and stay the hell away from football you big morons. It could have been pretty much anything as long as there's something in it for you. The way you go about things only shows how little you understand.

And de Ligt- you're an absolute zero today. You had enough money but you wanted MORE. Absolutely gutted for your fans. They must be so disappointed seeing you hide away in Serie A. And don't believe for a second we're impressed by this move. You're only embarrassing.

Wow .

We can all agree on the highlighted part though. He will now start to win some trophies and say hello to glory.

 

[B20]

Spoiler

Just wtf is this picture? De Ligt looks like a digital person from FIFA 15.

Either way, congratulations you big moron. You've just said hello to any sort of glory in your career. Honestly, even a guy like me wouldn't want to play as a professional in Serie A. They can keep on buying as many players as they want. The minute they arrive they become irrelevant. America's been doing the same thing since the early 90's and their league is still as uninteresting and irrelevant as ever. They don't care about the sport and it won't make a difference how many random average "stars" you buy or how many semi retired dorks you manage to lure over with your BUCKS. fecking franchise is a laughing stock and erodes pretty much the only thing you shouldn't touch. Just watch 20 000 fans show up for a division 2 game with not a star player within a million miles. Do you think they'd show up if you'd change the team logo to a JJ and renamed them? Go kill yourself.

It's SHIT Shit And BULLSHIT!! You cannot BUY your way to an interesting league. No one cares about the league - not one fecking bit. It's all down to culture within a country - and I don't care how many fans are there either. Your league is SHIT and it STINKS SHIT. You can buy as many freaking pubs as you like - no one will want to go there. Just stay within your own business and let your money roll and stay the hell away from football you big morons. It could have been pretty much anything as long as there's something in it for you. The way you go about things only shows how little you understand.

And de Ligt- you're an absolute zero today. You had enough money but you wanted MORE. Absolutely gutted for your fans. They must be so disappointed seeing you hide away in Serie A. And don't believe for a second we're impressed by this move. You're only embarrassing.

 

[Ooge_]

Besides De Ligt, there are a lot of young talented CBs like Konate, Upamecano, Milenkovic, Tah, Diop, Saliba...

Which young CB do you think is going to end up being better than De Ligt?

Better? IdK. But Konate should become a worldclass CB.

 

[Bubz27]

Just scored an own goal. Glad we've loaned him out so he irons out all these creases.

 

[Catt]

Just scored an own goal. Glad we've loaned him out so he irons out all these creases.

Sure, but imagine 2 years of italian cuisine.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Would be sort of funny if he fails completely at Juve after all the drama, then at the end of the year he comes out and says he did it on purpose as pay back for the lost CL final in 1996.

Or something.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Just scored an own goal. Glad we've loaned him out so he irons out all these creases.

Did he really?

 

[Acrobat7]

They arent that rich, what they do is spend big money where they have to.

Their owner is rich though. Gets the players nice Fiat contracts as well.

 

[SATA]

Not being bitter or judging him today from the own goal but i would love to say in five or six years time, we dodged a bullet

 

[dev1l]

It s far to early to.pass a judgement but he looks Overhyped. Not saying he s a bad player but he still have to prove he as good as the hype around him suggest

 

[Cassidy]

It s far to early to.pass a judgement but he looks Overhyped. Not saying he s a bad player but he still have to prove he as good as the hype around him suggest

Think hes been doing that over the past 3 years....

 

[romufc]

Think hes been doing that over the past 3 years....

Exactly, you don't become the Captain of Ajax at 19 if you arent half decent.

 

[Ajaxsuarez]

 

[Lash]

Finish.

 

[Jacckk1985]

https://www.juventuz.com/attachments/12312-png.76305

Found this table rather interesting, gives insight of their wages.

 

[Skills]

https://www.juventuz.com/attachments/12312-png.76305

Found this table rather interesting, gives insight of their wages.

Cristiano Ronaldo's stipendo metro

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[sun_tzu]

https://www.juventuz.com/attachments/12312-png.76305

Found this table rather interesting, gives insight of their wages.

Gonna have a lot of headroom once Ronaldo and higuain move off the books

 

[Peyroteo]

He’ll easily take Bonucci’s place eventually. They also benched Rabiot and Danilo for Matuidi and De Sciglio, Juve like to take their time in introducing new players

 

[HNK55]

I do think his move was a tad too soon. Should have stayed at Ajax for at least another season.

 

[giorno]

He’ll easily take Bonucci’s place eventually. They also benched Rabiot and Danilo for Matuidi and De Sciglio, Juve like to take their time in introducing new players

Danilo gonna stay on the bench though

 

[Casanova85]

His nightmarish season has begun. Good, good.

 

[dev1l]

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