What? Give your head a wobble, he will be a disaster this time around. So glad we didn't get him.
Zidane sack watch - 19/20
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Bale fanboys manage to be more pathetic with their posting than Mou's lovers at their best. Congrats.
Despite how much I’d love them to fail I can see them managing to cnut their way to another CL title somehow. La Liga will be too tough for them with all the new additions but I think they have the talent in the squad to manage to win one off games. Hope they don’t though and if they do perform poorly in the league he will surely be a goner.
Without really knowing and/or caring who you are talking about, I will say that the term 'fanboy' is so overused and boring.
I'll agree with this actually
I think they need a change of approach more than anything. Ronaldo went and the team lost its identity, they need a clear philosophy on how they want to play and only then can they think on the players that fit into it. I don't think they can succeed with their current way of playing without changing almost the entire squad.
Going for Mbappe in the next couple of years should be a must regardless though. Then they should give Klopp whatever he wants and go from there. Doubt it happens but those should be their two priorities.
People are overreacting to this result though. Don't think they'll win anything big but they'll still be pretty good next season. Definitely better than last season now that they actually have enough attacking talent.
he'll get full season whether he comes close to winning a trophy or not. in Madrid they're aware they most likely won't win another title as long as Messi is playing at current level so I doubt they'll be expecting Zidane to start winning now when they're rebuilding, when they barely competed even when they had prime Ronaldo, Modric and Ramos.
last season they sold Ronaldo and didn't buy anyone which sealed their fate even before the season started. this season they will be expecting better CL performances and to keep up with Atletico at least, but anything else is a bonus. they aren't that stupid to sack him if he fails to win la liga or CL and just waste him like that. he won't be judged or compared to what Valverde will do with his team as they simply aren't at that level yet and most likely won't be for another 2 years.
last season they sold Ronaldo and didn't buy anyone which sealed their fate even before the season started. this season they will be expecting better CL performances and to keep up with Atletico at least, but anything else is a bonus. they aren't that stupid to sack him if he fails to win la liga or CL and just waste him like that. he won't be judged or compared to what Valverde will do with his team as they simply aren't at that level yet and most likely won't be for another 2 years.
Zidane was obviously regretting not getting himself the usual Madrid sacking compensation the first time around.
Zinedine Zigone?
Probably in May, QFs UCL and 3rd spot in la Liga, dull football (best case scenario if sacked).
No, he’s not. There’s about 30+ coaches I’d take over Zidane atm.
Real has serious personnel issues in midfield and in the backline.
Trying to get Pogba doesn’t solve those issues.
Yet another thread based on emotions trumping (eugh that word is gross now) anything else.
It's Real Madrid, there is no such thing as a rebuilding year. Every year the goal is to win everything. If it isn't then it's a huge failure by everyone before the season even begins. Argentina have Messi playing at current level and they won nothing, there is absolutely no reason why Madrid can't win titles even with Messi in Barcelona. Barca only got 87 points last year, in a normal year Madrid would have won it.
Barca have made an insane investment, if Zidane barely misses out on the title then he will most likely get another season. Saying anything else other than keeping up with Atletico is a bonus is insane though. If Barcelona win the league with a comfortable margin then I guarantee you Zidane won't even finish the season nevermind if he gets on a fight with Atletico for second place. They've spent over 400 million on players since Ronaldo left, they'll probably pass 500 by the time the summer ends... if the plan was to spend 3 years rebuilding as if it was ok that Barcelona won trophies for fun in the meantime without them even putting up a fight, the Bernabeu crowd would bring pitchforks to the stadium and not rest until they got Florentino's head on a spike.
Seriously, they're likely going to break the record for most money spent on transfers during a summer and you think they'd be ok with keeping up with Atletico for second place without getting close to Barca because they're in 'a rebuilding phase'?
This. He'll jump before that point
Can you imagine Benfica destroying you like this, winning 7-1 at one point and almost being able to make a double digits score? Friendly or not, this is a derby, I'd be livid if we lost like that to City or Liverpool.
Atletico are looking seriously good, I'd say even better without Griezmann right now. If that boy Felix plays like that, they would not miss the Fortnite loving Frenchman at all.
Atletico is like Ferrari in F1, occasional champions of friendlies and free practice sessions.
Surely there is some kind of trophy given for those achievemnts.
Surely there is some kind of trophy given for those achievemnts.
That game was a disgrace for Madrid and there are plenty of reasons to worry but they won't do worse than they did last season now that they have Hazard and Jovic.
Just a few days ago Atletico looked pretty bad vs Chivas Guadalajara, shouldn't really take big conclusions out of preseason. If Madrid finish third in the league for a third consecutive year then heads will roll at the Bernabeu. And it won't stop at the coach this time.
I know it's Madrid, but it's also a guy that's their ex player who won them a CL while also being an ex manager that won two CL's with them recently. he won't be treated like Pellegrini or whoever. Argentina have only one NT stronger than them on their continent so they need to beat them in a single game of cup tournament, while Madrid need to outperform an already better team with world's best player during the whole season. that's why I'm not giving them much of a chance.
as for Barca, they probably eased up a bit without Madrid being a real threat and they most likely never really expected Atletico to keep up with them. now they're getting two great players eager to prove and will most likely be better than last year. Hazard and Jovic + some tweaks can get Madrid closer and put them above Atletico, sure, but it was 20 points between them and Barca that "only got 87 points". I expect both clubs to improve, but Madrid won't improve that fast neither I expect them to close that gap in Zidane's first season. I think it's not reasonable to ask that from him and that's why I think he won't get the sack if he fails at that.
well, I honestly believe that, mostly because of what I wrote in the first part of my post. If he's like 8 points behind Barca, with visible improvements but with Barca again being at comfortable distance for majority of season, yes, I still think he'll keep his job, with more pressure coming in his second season. but obviously we'll have to wait and see, I have no other argument than pure belief that their board will give him more time.If Barcelona win the league with a comfortable margin then I guarantee you Zidane won't even finish the season nevermind if he gets on a fight with Atletico for second place. They've spent over 400 million on players since Ronaldo left, they'll probably pass 500 by the time the summer ends... if the plan was to spend 3 years rebuilding as if it was ok that Barcelona won trophies for fun in the meantime without them even putting up a fight, the Bernabeu crowd would bring pitchforks to the stadium and not rest until they got Florentino's head on a spike.
Seriously, they're likely going to break the record for most money spent on transfers during a summer and you think they'd be ok with keeping up with Atletico for second place without getting close to Barca because they're in 'a rebuilding phase'?
Why the hell did he return in the 1st place? He left on a huge high with the 3rd CL win.
Nice post
I think Atletico are gonna be at their best since 2014. I think worst case they finish second in the league, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they won it.
I don’t want to overreact to preseason but they seem so much more fluid in attack now.
He's already getting criticized and the season hasn't even started. They'll improve on last season but if Barcelona easily win the league again the Bernabeu will want a new manager and once the Bernabeu turns against you there's no going back. The board has to make the decisions to calm the fans down or Perez goes down too. At Madrid things aren't like at United or plenty of other clubs, he won them a bunch of CL titles but there that's quickly forgotten. If you're doing a bad job then they won't care what you've done in the past. You only have to look at the Bale situation.
Barca pretty much won the league on the day they signed Griezmann imo. And Madrid fans won't tolerate another trophyless season, I just don't see any way in which this return goes well for Zidane.
It's crazy how rare it is to find a balanced view on Zidane, it's either "all in" or "he's overrtated"
Im just hoping hes shting enough to force a crazy fee for Pogba - 180 million!
Yeah I don't get why Manchester United supporters care how the Real Madrid manager treats a Real Madrid player.
He was never that good of a coach. He pulled a better version of a Di Matteo though it helped having a squad that was already built by other coaches and the best player in the world on your team.
Crazy to think United fans wanted him here he is massively overrated(as a coach) and will probably get the sack.
Bloody brilliant player though and one of my favorite to watch.
Crazy to think United fans wanted him here he is massively overrated(as a coach) and will probably get the sack.
Bloody brilliant player though and one of my favorite to watch.
Zidane wins three consecutive CL titles, even steals a league title from Messi lead Barca, Madrid completely falls apart after his departure, then has a bad preseason after he came back and had to manage a great rebuild - "Yeah, I always knew he was a shit coach." Mental.
The season hasn't even started, let's see what this Madrid side can do once Hazard, Jovic, Rodrygo and co. actually had some time to settle in and get in shape.
The season hasn't even started, let's see what this Madrid side can do once Hazard, Jovic, Rodrygo and co. actually had some time to settle in and get in shape.
This. His start of his manager career shits on anyone but Guardiola. Guy win's 3 CL's in a row and still isn't rated. For all we know he might end his career with more trophies than SAF.
Pep’s squad cost just short of £1b - you’re only counting the money he’s spent on what was already the most talented squad in the league. Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rodgers would twat the Premier League with that depth of quality too, but most people, including the media, like to project his achievements as miraculous. Klopp is levels above - finishing a point behind, winning a Champions League while seeing off some genuinely elite European teams along the way with some pretty average players completely eclipses anything Guardiola has ever achieved.
Zidane’s a decent coach, but interestingly Real have looked underwhelming since Sergio Ramos failed a drug test at the 2018 Champions League final; it was only revealed retrospectively by Football Leaks, so there’s a chance they’ve been reprimanded secretly (as allegedly happens in tennis) so that UEFA, the player and the club can save face. I know there’s the Ronaldo factor, but that doesn’t explain the defence and midfield collectively falling off a cliff so suddenly.
There's not a single coach in the world that could create a team like City other than Guardiola, regardless of the budget. Give Klopp a billiobln and his team is still not on the same level. There may be question marks above Guardiola regarding the CL but if you look for a manager to constantly win you the league, there can only be one. And still you'd fancy City in almost all direct match ups out there bar maybe Barca.
It took Liverpool a ridiculous amount of luck in decisive moments on top of an immensely good season to keep with City's standard. Guardiola is expensive but when you can afford him he'll build you a team nobody else can build.
How about we wait at least 10 GWs in before we judge? They probably weren't any better than us last season and still got CL football comfortably (that's La Liga for you). If they, which is nigh on certain, avoid losing half the points they did on smaller sides they'll be in the mix again.
Then you've got Champions League which they just know how to approach so QF/SF should be on the cards. Won't be a disaster and not enough to sack Zizou.
Then you've got Champions League which they just know how to approach so QF/SF should be on the cards. Won't be a disaster and not enough to sack Zizou.
I always thought that people in forums behave like it's just the last game the one counting. No matter the competition, no matter the circumstances, no matter what the people involved might have achieved prior to that.
It's postmodernism applied to football forums. Not even Redcafe can escape from cultural hegemony it seems.
Point being, yes, it's disgusting and something to be concerned with, but not the end of the world as we know it necessarily.
Zidane isn't getting the sack anytime soon. I would assume that Real Madrid will need to have a poor season - 3rd in the league, CL Quarter finals and perhaps a cup run.
Goes to show how the league is if the above will be considered as a "poor return" - but that's for another thread.
Goes to show how the league is if the above will be considered as a "poor return" - but that's for another thread.
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And the board has blocked Bale’s transfer?
I'm too lazy to name the countless people around here who suddenly find themselves having an agenda against Zidane because he wants to get rid of an overpaid injury-prone player who already wasn't a starter for most of Zidane's tenure at Madrid including the season's where he won 2 CLs and 1 Liga
If it was any other club i'd laugh but yeah ...
If they're not competing he'll get sacked, no exceptions. He doesn't have a hope in hell of surviving a season of ropy, mediocre play and results. If they dont start well (as you'd expect from a team with that many changes) and suffer an embarrassing loss against Barca or Athletico then he'll be on a tightrope immediately.
If they're not competing he'll get sacked, no exceptions. He doesn't have a hope in hell of surviving a season of ropy, mediocre play and results. If they dont start well (as you'd expect from a team with that many changes) and suffer an embarrassing loss against Barca or Athletico then he'll be on a tightrope immediately.