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Manchester United 1:2 Crystal Palace

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Sat, 24 August 2019

El Zoido

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How often can Utd ruin my weekend this season? We shall see. Might just start betting on the opposition every game and make some money off how crap we are.
 

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Easy. We should just sack Ole and we'll be good, right?
The club is broken from top to bottom.
Sacking Ole or selling Pogba won't solve the problem, in the same way that sacking Jose and selling Lukaku did.
IMO, our coaches (McKenna and Carrick) are terrible. They have not improved a single player, under their tutelage.
Ole's MUFC has been dire for several months. Especially when he was picking "Fergie's boys" who were stinking up the place.
Our players have been under performing - even DDG who is usually reliable was suffering last season.
The board have under-performed - doing whatever it takes to save money and win the 4th place trophy.
And then the owners - The Glazers - the less said about them, the better.

From top to bottom, we have under-performed for many years.
The only blip was when Jose won 2 trophies in his first season and got 2nd place in his 2nd season. A meltdown occurred in his 3rd season, when Woodward wanted to save money.
 

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The worst part for me was I could see this coming with the transfers we did Not do.
It was very obvious what the plan was for this season.
Spend as little as possible (net spend of £66M, I think it is), while attempting make top 4.
Ole won't kick up a fuss as he is grateful for the opportunity.
If the manager fails - fire him and hit the reset button.
 

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Fred is an enigma. Where is Fred? Does he actually exist? If he isn't ready yet then god help us if some of the lot playing today actually are.
Tell me about it.

The only reason I'd go for him there is that the alternatives are Pereira, Matic & Garner, as far as I can tell. Surely he can offer more than that competition.
 

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It was very obvious what the plan was for this season.
Spend as little as possible (net spend of £66M, I think it is), while attempting make top 4.
Ole won't kick up a fuss as he is grateful for the opportunity.
If the manager fails - fire him and hit the reset button.
Yeah that’s what we should do! Worked wonders for us over the years!
 

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An extremely frustrating day.

Luke Shaw has to take some of the blame for that first goal. He should have just went off instead of limping around and pulling Maguire out so far wide to cover his tracks.

I’m sick to death of watching Rashford wasting free-kicks booting the ball anywhere but the goal. Ashley Young too. How many of our set pieces even gave Palace issues today? You could see the frustrations in Maguire demanding Lindelof to take the free kick over Young in the second half.
 

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Tell me about it.

The only reason I'd go for him there is that the alternatives are Pereira, Matic & Garner, as far as I can tell. Surely he can offer more than that competition.
I think he makes a lot of mistakes. If we are playing well he will likely be fine, but under pressure he is a problem. We are a mess.
 

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At some point when we were chasing, I wanted Ole to sub in someone else in attack. But then I realised we hardly have any option.

Going into a season (with Europa as well) with our bare-bones squad is going to end up being a huge disaster.
 

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At some point when we were chasing, I wanted Ole to sub in someone else in attack. But then I realised we hardly have any option.

Going into a season (with Europa as well) with our bare-bones squad is going to end up being a huge disaster.
Yep. Really bad planning all round.
 

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Solsjkaer will probably get the blame, and he's by no means perfect.
But if he goes we will continue to see results like this with the same key players making mistakes for whoever replaces him.
Apologies for singling you out mate cos I've seen loads of comments like this, but I just don't believe the sentence in bold is true. Have any of our previous managers won 3 games in 15? This is worse than anything that has gone before (in terms of results), by a significant margin.
 

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Should know how to score from penalties as we can't create chances otherwise. Disappointing even with this midfield. I thought we could at least get a draw after going behind.
 

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For all the Ole preference for attacking football to entertain the fans, his tactics are not much different from LVG and Jose.

It was so slow and boring.
 

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Emotions. Keep your emotions. If you are going crazy because of one game then you are going to have though season. As "older" supporter I've learned to handle wins and loses with calm.

Today, we were far better, but lost. Unlucky. Last season many of you wanted attacking football and thats what you have. Today we lost trying to win the game. Instead of taking easy at 1-1 our players did exactly what most of you (that are now negative) want. To go for the win. That punished us. 3 points lost.

I accept that you all call for Solskjaer to axe Lingaard. I would like to see Mata in that role myself. But our "stars" Rashford, Lindelöf and Pogba was very poor today. And it's not first time that Rashford, Pogba and Lindelöf are that bad.
Pogba was by far our best player today. Not sure how anyone says anything different.
 

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Their goals came out of nothing really, i agree. Just like against Wolves we are restricting them to very few chances. And thats good!

But we really struggle to move the ball fast enough in midfield, with good enough accuracy. And because of that we create very few clear cut chances. Our possesion and the feeling of us controlling the game means very little if we can't find ways to score consitently against teams that defend deep.
True. We need to work on that.
 

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It’s the continual player errors that undo us every time.

We dominate possession without breaking through, we concede on the counter.

Our penalty conversion rate is also shambolic but you can’t lose if you don’t concede & twice today players didn’t fulfil their responsibilities in areas where those mistakes are immediately punished.
 

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We needed world class attacking players to break down defensive teams. We didn’t buy any and we are where we are.
 

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We need a maguire and awb tyoe signing for attack n midfield before we start challenging. And a keeper if de geas lost it. So 2 more windows minimum.
 

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I know it easy to be knee jerk in these situations but under normal circumstances we should have won all three of these games.

Last year we were deservedly losing. This season we’ve been unlucky to have dropped points. Not perfect but huge improvement in our general play.

The penalty misses have been huge. Pogba scores and we beat Wolves. Rashford scores and maybe we go on town in today.
 

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I didn't watch much of the game as I was out but honestly, losing to Crystal Palace at home isn't acceptable.

It shows that our signings in the Summer weren't enough. Not that he was the best midfielder ever or anything but losing Herrera and not replacing him was disastrous.

It's a real shame.
 

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Lingard really epitomizes what Ole is. Someone who loves the club and is willing to work as hard as possible but ultimately is just not good enough. This season will be a roller coaster of highs and lows, just strap on boys!
 

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Last two games just utterly disappointing really.

Not even dreadful, just disappointing.

We should be beating Palace at home surely.
 

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Waste of space - James was out best player. Lingard was useless, martial non entity.
James are best player? I guess you rate players on whether they score or not. You do know that without Pogba winning the ball from Zaha, the goal doesn't happen. Pogba made about 20 nice passes that no one else on the team neither has the skill nor creativity to do.
 

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Saw this coming and I'm sure most people did too. No creative players and a poor midfield means that we will lose a lot of games in this exact fashion this season .
 

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James are best player? I guess you rate players on whether they score or not. You do know that without Pogba winning the ball from Zaha, the goal doesn't happen. Pogba made about 20 nice passes that no one else on the team neither has the skill nor creativity to do.
He made no mistakes whereas pogba made a lot and did sod all else. The pogba love in on here is bizarre.
 

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James are best player? I guess you rate players on whether they score or not. You do know that without Pogba winning the ball from Zaha, the goal doesn't happen. Pogba made about 20 nice passes that no one else on the team neither has the skill nor creativity to do.
Today Pogba probably was the best player but he still wasn't very good. Of course he is capable of making better passes than dogshit championship standard passers like MacT and Lingard but losing possession 20 times a game in your own half like Pogba does is absolutely unacceptable for a midfielder.

He is just too wasteful, lacks concentration/the right mentality and doesn't provide any stability to play midfield and considering he's closer to the end of his career than the start at this point there's little hope of that changing. Maybe he should play in the hole/behind the striker to mitigate his poor concentration/recycling because he lost the ball which allowed Palace to score and cost us a point today - even if he was still probably the best player we had.
 

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So the only way Ole gets the blame is if we create nothing :lol:.
If we get outplayed, if the game plan is bad and fecks up on his part, if a negative becomes a clear trend, etc.. There are plenty of reasons to criticize the manager. I've always been of the opinion that individual mistakes costing you in a game you dominated and created more than enough is never on the manager. The manager doesn't tell the goalkeeper to feck up. The manager's planning doesn't tell Lindelof to fail winning a routine header against fecking Schlupp. The manager doesn't tell Pogba last week to miss a pen (which would've given us a deserved win last week) and then Rashford this week. Or it doesn't tell the ref or VAR ref to feck up 2 pretty blatant decisions which would've changed plenty.

Things I criticize Ole for last week can be his reaction to Wolves equalizing, waiting too long for subs, not anticipating the rebound from Wolves at half time, or this week failing to get them going after the initial feck up gifted Palace a goal and we then struggled massively before half time. Not instilling enough urgency in the team or importance on bouncing back right away (we almost concede the goal and try the patient route of "it's not the end of the world, the chances will come" instead of pushing a lot harder to get that equalizer instantly).

Basically, people coming in and complaining about the manager after 3 games in the season are pointing at the wrong things. I highly doubt Ole planned on going into the season with no midfield reinforcements, but it is what it is. The signings we did manage to get in look like they'll be excellent long term signings, and we are definitely trying to play the right way and one that suits our club a lot more than what the previous manages tried. So I'm happy enough so far.
 

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If we get outplayed, if the game plan is bad and fecks up on his part, if a negative becomes a clear trend, etc.. There are plenty of reasons to criticize the manager. I've always been of the opinion that individual mistakes costing you in a game you dominated and created more than enough is never on the manager. The manager doesn't tell the goalkeeper to feck up. The manager's planning doesn't tell Lindelof to fail winning a routine header against fecking Schlupp. The manager doesn't tell Pogba last week to miss a pen (which would've given us a deserved win last week) and then Rashford this week. Or it doesn't tell the ref or VAR ref to feck up 2 pretty blatant decisions which would've changed plenty.

Things I criticize Ole for last week can be his reaction to Wolves equalizing, waiting too long for subs, not anticipating the rebound from Wolves at half time, or this week failing to get them going after the initial feck up gifted Palace a goal and we then struggled massively before half time. Not instilling enough urgency in the team or importance on bouncing back right away (we almost concede the goal and try the patient route of "it's not the end of the world, the chances will come" instead of pushing a lot harder to get that equalizer instantly).

Basically, people coming in and complaining about the manager after 3 games in the season are pointing at the wrong things. I highly doubt Ole planned on going into the season with no midfield reinforcements, but it is what it is. The signings we did manage to get in look like they'll be excellent long term signings, and we are definitely trying to play the right way and one that suits our club a lot more than what the previous manages tried. So I'm happy enough so far.
So every manager can say they never told the players to play shite :lol:. It's not three games either, is it.
 

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I think people tend to forget Roy Hodgson is.
This man has beaten Juventus with Fulham before.
What he did at WBA and Fulham got him the Liverpool and English jobs. He is a guy who excels at setting a team against superior opponents.

In order to beat Palace today, we really had to be better at set pieces during the first half and score that penalty.
 

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Apologies for singling you out mate cos I've seen loads of comments like this, but I just don't believe the sentence in bold is true. Have any of our previous managers won 3 games in 15? This is worse than anything that has gone before (in terms of results), by a significant margin.
I'm not sure it's worth it to look to last seasons results.
We were fecked all season, and the confidence couldn't be lower.
This seasons start has been average, but not massively different to other seasons.
United have been (bar mourinhos second season) consistently average post Sir Alex retiring.
I don't think it matters who we bring as manager, so long as we continue to chop and change the style of play and have no plans long term for the side.
 

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So every manager can say they never told the players to play shite :lol:. It's not three games either, is it.
New season, fresh start. I tend to have some lenience on managers who take over half way through a season when the previous regime was a disaster. And a bit different when players play shite vs when they miss pens in consecutive games and the goalkeeper fecks up a routine save.

I know you're still butthurt about Mourinho getting sacked and even more so now that you're pal Lukaku got sold, but let's be objective here eh?
 

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New season, fresh start. I tend to have some lenience on managers who take over half way through a season when the previous regime was a disaster. And a bit different when players play shite vs when they miss pens in consecutive games and the goalkeeper fecks up a routine save.

I know you're still butthurt about Mourinho getting sacked and even more so now that you're pal Lukaku got sold, but let's be objective here eh?
New season, fresh start?

3 wins in 15

Clear trend. Nothing's changing.

Extremely poor end to last season and nothing seems to have changed - why should we forget that and pretend OGS just started managing in August?

Clearly not good enough, even though we can all admit the board didn't do a good enough job either.
 

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New season, fresh start. I tend to have some lenience on managers who take over half way through a season when the previous regime was a disaster. And a bit different when players play shite vs when they miss pens in consecutive games and the goalkeeper fecks up a routine save.

I know you're still butthurt about Mourinho getting sacked and even more so now that you're pal Lukaku got sold, but let's be objective here eh?
Objective? Objective is the atrocious record since he was made permanent manager. I don't give a flying feck if he used to play for us.
 

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Horrible performance from us today and the referee was even worse! I don't have much to add outside of what was already said. The general consensus is spot on!

But, if those two penalties were scored we'd be still unbeaten. I just watched Pool demolish Arsenal and when Wijnaldum was subbed off thought to myself, I wouldn't mind him here now. The absolute state of our midfield :lol:
 
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What is the fecking point of VAR if it cannot catch an obvious pk and obvious red card? Deserved at least 3 pks even though I am not confident if we can convert a single one of them. Please practice pk and free kicks...
 

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I'm not sure it's worth it to look to last seasons results.
We were fecked all season, and the confidence couldn't be lower.
This seasons start has been average, but not massively different to other seasons.
United have been (bar mourinhos second season) consistently average post Sir Alex retiring.
I don't think it matters who we bring as manager, so long as we continue to chop and change the style of play and have no plans long term for the side.
You genuinely don't think any other manager could have got better results than 3 wins in 15?! That is relegation form, and I very much doubt that any other top club would keep a manager on after a run like that.

I hear what you're saying about needing to stick with a manager and give them time and support, with a long-term plan, but if you're going to do that then you have to be as certain as you can be that you've got the right guy...what is it about Ole that makes you believe that he is that guy?
 

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