Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

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I really don't know whether or not Ole is good enough. What I do know is that:
  1. The Glazers bought this club for profit, not glory, and it's doing very well in that respect.
  2. Woodward is clueless on the football side of things. Our unbalanced squad is on him. From his first transfer window of only buying Fellaini (for more than his release clause) to buying useless players and giving them salaries that made them impossible to move on when they failed. Haphazard signing and firing managers, without backing them properly, and I could go on.
  3. I don't see how or why any top manager would want to work for the club. It's not even a poisoned chalice, it's straight up unappealing and a fools errand.
I think there's a lot to be sorted out before discussing changing managers. Ole is the fourth already. It's stupid to repeatedly try the same thing and expect a different result.
 

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I really don't know whether or not Ole is good enough. What I do know is that:
  1. The Glazers bought this club for profit, not glory, and it's doing very well in that respect.
  2. Woodward is clueless on the football side of things. Our unbalanced squad is on him. From his first transfer window of only buying Fellaini (for more than his release clause) to buying useless players and giving them salaries that made them impossible to move on when they failed. Haphazard signing and firing managers, without backing them properly, and I could go on.
  3. I don't see how or why any top manager would want to work for the club. It's not even a poisoned chalice, it's straight up unappealing and a fools errand.
I think there's a lot to be sorted out before discussing changing managers. Ole is the fourth already. It's stupid to repeatedly try the same thing and expect a different result.
Should stop placing everything on the board.

They pick a manager, back them with funds, and let him manage. Granted they didnt pick a winner, but you make it seems like they cut the training short to promote instand noodle ads.

And on the money side. We need the money to buy players and make them wanna come. They did their part. The coaches didnt.
 

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Massive doubts about Ole and the coaches. We can have a go at individual players & the board, but when you rock up to games with a vastly superior side than the opposition and fail, it’s on the coaches.

Especially when you do it the majority of 15 games or so and only 3 wins. Things need to start improving defensively too. I’m hoping Fred could solidify us if Pogba moves into Lingards slot.

The transfers have been good this summer though, at least that’s in the right direction. We just need someone who is actually capable of bringing the football side together now.
 
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Massive doubts about Ole and the coaches. We can have a go at individual players & the board, but when you rock up to games with a vastly superior side than the opposition and fail, it’s on the coaches.

Especially when you do it the majority of 15 games or so and only 3 wins. Things need to start improving defensively too. I’m hoping Fred could solidify us if Pogba moves into Lingards slot.

The transfers have been good this summer though, at least that’s in the right direction. We just need someone who is actually capable of bringing the football side together now.
Sorry but I disagree with the transfers being good. Arsenal buy Nicolas Pepe and we go and buy an average British winger from the championship as our only attacking signing. This stupid obsession with buying British will cost Ole his job in the end. Before you go saying I am against signing British players, I thought Aaron Wan Bissaka was a decent signing. Buying only British on on Ole. For crap sake we didn't even buy a midfielder. How can you say our transfer window was good?
 

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You are still not telling the solution. You are focussing everything on Ole when the issue is beyond that. For once let us sack ole but who will come now and save the ship. Rather than singing ole out we should be singing woodward out. More pressure should be on him. Ole like jose like van gaal like moyes has become another pawn who somenof our fans like to blame and think replacing them will make us better. No it will not and trust me there aren't many managers who are dying to manage this club. This season was a messed up the moment our board decided not to get more quality players. I don't know what fans have been expecting Ole to do with this squad. Yes we should beat palace but unfortunately nothing is granted. If sacking ole and replacing him with "anybody" gives fans the satisfaction then yes let us go for it but trust me it will take the club nowhere.
I do offer a solution though. As said we simply have to let go of him if we want to move forward. His tactically inept and out of his depth. Sure we have a plethora of other issues but a better manager can make us play better and get better results.

If Allegri takes over tomorrow and considering the state of our rivals I say we have a better chance for top 4 and we will be in a better position for another ‘rebuild’ next year.
 

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I think Allegri is a good option. Not because he will play wonderful attacking football but is pragmatic and experienced. He is tactically sound as well unlike Ole. Liverpool got klopp in October. We should get Allegri in until a proper modern progressive coach is available.

He wouldn't be my choice but Ole looks out of his depth unfortunately.
 

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We have some players that can adhere to the total football philosophy implemented by Erik Ten Haag. Gomes, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Lindelof, Greenwood, Chong, Maguire, Awb, Shaw and few other can easily learn this philosophy. It might not be what they are used to, but I believe these players have the technical ability to learn it.

Regardless, the fact is that if we had gotten Ten Haag earlier, this summer we would have been used to buy those players that can adapt to that philosophy. He has a much better philosophy than Ole and even though there will be question mark towards how he adapts to England, the United fan will know that we have a manager with a philosophy similar to Pep that will be attractive to watch. No one is interested in zombie football. I like Ole, but as a tactician, I m not a fan of his.
Even if those players could (and I doubt very much Maguire can play tiki taka) that is still only a handful of players. For total fotbal to work you need all 11 starters and the bench to be able to perform that.

It simply highlights the main issue we have: quite a few of our players simply aren’t good enough.
At what point do we stop blaming managers and start taking a good hard look at the players AND especially at our board for not signing the right / enough players.
Everyone should have known we would struggle this season when looking at the team. Our left wing is lacking, which was highlighted yesterday when Maguire was on the left side and couldn’t fend of Ayew when they scored. Our options at number 10 are not good enough/too young to rely on completely. We still don’t have a proper right wing player.
And our central midfield is in just as bad a state.
As much as people want Poch, Klopp or Guardiola none of them would win the league with this team.
 

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I think Allegri is a good option. Not because he will play wonderful attacking football but is pragmatic and experienced. He is tactically sound as well unlike Ole. Liverpool got klopp in October. We should get Allegri in until a proper modern progressive coach is available.

He wouldn't be my choice but Ole looks out of his depth unfortunately.
Allegri would be a terrible option, it would just be flip flopping back to another brand of football we’re trying to leave behind, one that the fans hate too.
 

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Not sacking or demoting Ed is the mistake

Until we rectify that I don't see us making much progress
 

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Sorry but I disagree with the transfers being good. Arsenal buy Nicolas Pepe and we go and buy an average British winger from the championship as our only attacking signing. This stupid obsession with buying British will cost Ole his job in the end. Before you go saying I am against signing British players, I thought Aaron Wan Bissaka was a decent signing. Buying only British on on Ole. For crap sake we didn't even buy a midfielder. How can you say our transfer window was good?
Maguire, AWB and our only goal scorer yesterday were amongst our better players. Damn these British idiots!
 

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Allegri would be a terrible option, it would just be flip flopping back to another brand of football we’re trying to leave behind, one that the fans hate too.
Atm we aren't playing any brand of football. We don't even do the basics right.
 

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My point was that Klopp was a top manager and one of the best in the game at that point which made him one of the most sought after. One half of a season didn’t change that, correct?
Ed's policy is to not go for sought after players or managers. That way you get a clear run at them, then you can spend months negotiating to save a couple of million. Great business.
 

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Not sacking or demoting Ed is the mistake

Until we rectify that I don't see us making much progress
His job is safe for life it seems. He's a glazer man. We need to hire a hitman I think. Hahahaha
 

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Hindsight isn’t it? When we appointed him it’s really hard not to give it to him, he sort of earn it in a very impressive manner.
 

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You would have let Moyes see out his contract.

If it's failing, it's failing.

Time doesn't automatically grant you success.

And lolz at comparing Klopp and Sir Alex to Ole. They actually achieved something before Liverpool and United.

Ole managed Molde and got Cardiff relegated.

What are you talking about?

Klopp won titles with Dortmund (who had won many titles before him AND he got Mainz relegated).
Ole won titles with Molde (who had NEVER won a title in their entire history).

Ole needs time. The club needs time.

Ole is working on things right now that will kick in in three years time.. same way Klopp is managing Liverpool, same way Sir Alex managed us.

None of these jobs are/were a quick fix.

Fans who can't see that should be laughed at!
 

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Ed's policy is to not go for sought after players or managers. That way you get a clear run at them, then you can spend months negotiating to save a couple of million. Great business.
And yet you pay market prices for them or even overpay their release clause in Fellaini.

I know he’s a clown but what can you do?
 

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We will not finish in the top four with Ole in charge.

Let’s imagine that our manager right now was called Bob Smith. He’d played as a striker for Derby his whole career and had exactly the same career path as Ole, every single fan would fully believe he wasn’t good enough to be Manchester United manager.

Sentimentality is killing us. We are as clueless now as we were at the end of last season.

Permanently appointing Solskjaer was mind blowing stupidity of the highest order, and now we are suffering the consequence of that.

I’ve read posts stating we need to give him 2-3 years. Why exactly? Well I’ll tell you why, blind loyalty to an ex player.
 

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What are you talking about?

Klopp won titles with Dortmund (who had won many titles before him AND he got Mainz relegated).
Ole won titles with Molde (who had NEVER won a title in their entire history).

Ole needs time. The club needs time.

Ole is working on things right now that will kick in in three years time.. same way Klopp is managing Liverpool, same way Sir Alex managed us.

None of these jobs are/were a quick fix.

Fans who can't see that should be laughed at!
You need reality check mate. Ole won 2 titles 10 years ago in a tin pot league.

He was never able to win the title there again and has relegated Cardiff as a manager in the meantime. You can’t seriously compare Norway to Germany - it’s mental.

They are now top of the league without him with Erlin Moe as a manager. Have you heard of him?

Comparing Ole to Klopp and especially Fergie is really a blasphemy. Time doesn’t make you better if you lack what it takes.

I guess you wanted to give Moyes time as well?
 

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He'll be gone sooner or later anyway. He has no playing style at all. Couldn't implement any ideas if he has any and we look clueless against teams that sit back.

We won't make top 4 this season which can't really be blamed on him as our transfer window was horrible. He'll probably survive it this season too. Not next season though.
 

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What are you talking about?

Klopp won titles with Dortmund (who had won many titles before him AND he got Mainz relegated).
Ole won titles with Molde (who had NEVER won a title in their entire history).

Ole needs time. The club needs time.

Ole is working on things right now that will kick in in three years time.. same way Klopp is managing Liverpool, same way Sir Alex managed us.

None of these jobs are/were a quick fix.

Fans who can't see that should be laughed at!
There is a 2% chance this is true.
 

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I think Ed gave Ole the job because it was cheap, easy, gave a brief feelgood factor and also because the fans would really want him to succeed.

Problem for Ed is that when it all goes to shit, fans won't turn on a club legend and genuine nice guy, so all their ire will be directed at him and the owners.
 

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We lose a game and everyone shouts for the manager to be sacked, well done.
You need to look at the Glazers and Woodward first, as no matter what manager comes in, they need to be backed. I'm sure that Ole wanted a replacement for Herrera and for Lukaku this summer but Woodward didn't give him this after promises that he would. 100 million for a Rebuild is just not good enough.
 

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Should stop placing everything on the board.

They pick a manager, back them with funds, and let him manage. Granted they didnt pick a winner, but you make it seems like they cut the training short to promote instand noodle ads.

And on the money side. We need the money to buy players and make them wanna come. They did their part. The coaches didnt.
You believe 3 players in and a net spend of £60M is doing their part? Based on the situation we've been in the last 6 years and the squad Ole took over?

Real Madrid had one bad season last year, this summer they have spend €300M already and probably will get either Pogba, Eriksen or Neymar before the transfer window closes. That's doing 'their part'.
 
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He came out and said he didn't watch our match against Palace from last season. So I have to wonder how exactly he prepared for this game. I was a bit shocked hearing that in the presser
On this point, I feel the problem with the statement stems from him not being a native English speaker. Taking the quotes in full from the press conference reads that he didn't watch last season's match due to the fact that he also had a match simultaneously with Molde.

There no way that he will dismiss the previous match in an offhanded manner when the team still has the same manager and roughly the same team as the last time and like @fergiesarmy1 said

There has to be someone what watched the previous game.

Shirley :lol:
Or the fact that McKenna and Carrick were part of the coaching team last year means that they have first hand information about the team from personal experience.

On Ole as a manager, like I said at the end of the preseason games and many posters on this forum have alluded to, Ole currently has the right ingredient in the team to secure a top four spot "if" he has the cojones to really go for the jugular. However, as with all things that requires a decisive action, fear holds majority of individuals back.


Right from the preseason, it has been glaring that Lingard remains unfit for purpose. This is not a bashing but more of acknowledging his limitations as a player. Lingard's best position is the trequartista or number 10; a player who plays in-between the opponents defense lines. Thinking back to great players who have played this role to excellence, Lingard does not measure up to them due to his limitations.

For the team to move forward, Ole needs to grow a pair and trust/thrush Angel Gomes into this role of playmaker.

Doing this helps the team in a number of ways as it evident that in terms of knitting play, Lingard is poor in this regards.

Skipping back two weeks to the Rotterham U-23 (most poster might not have followed the match), it was on display the play-knitting options that Gomes will bring to the senior team (which continued from his preseason form). Also, for those worried about his height and physique, the last two matches played by James shows that once you have the talent, physical characteristics at senior level does not confer an undue advantage as compare to junior/age-grade football. Also, in that match, Gomes showed a lot of physicality by taking and dishing out tackles to players bigger than him.

Since we are implementing the 4-2-3-1 formation right through the club, it makes sense that Ole brings Gomes into the team ahead of Lingard and Mata in order to help knit play and unlock defence.

Ole has shown that he can take ruthless decisions and make it apper appealing with his outer demeanor. Therefore, he should go the whole way and institute the final change to the team by giving Gomes the starting berth to ease a lot of burden on this team.

As a corollary, Greenwood is still a green horn and should be allowed to develop with the U-23s this season and gradually brought to the first team. Like it has always been said the hardest thing in football is scoring goals. His talent is evident but placing him in the limelight too soon might be detrimental to his development as he just bust on to the season last season.

Daniel James has done well irrespective of the need for him to maximize his talent and add to his repertoire of skills. I hope he fulfills the weight of expectation on his shoulder.

Yesterday should show Ole that if he wishes to emulate Fergie, he needs better lieutenants than the current crops. Or perhaps he needs to add a tactical development coach to this team to help vary patterns.

As with everything United, crisis is just around the corner considering the events of the post Fergie years. I hope we can exit this mode and continue on the part of success.
 
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Should stop placing everything on the board.

They pick a manager, back them with funds, and let him manage. Granted they didnt pick a winner, but you make it seems like they cut the training short to promote instand noodle ads.

And on the money side. We need the money to buy players and make them wanna come. They did their part. The coaches didnt.
The board picked and appointed 4 managers actually, with hardly anything in common, which suggests they have no idea what they want to achieve or how.

I said the board is running it (successfully) as a business. Too bad us fans don't get excited about revenue.

Woodward has repeatedly failed to bring in the players the manager wants or get rid of the players they didn't to make space for new signings. We are left with an unbalanced squad full of dross. That's on Woodward, not the managers.

Since 2013 managers and players have come and gone. Ed has been a constant, appointing the managers and overseeing our transfer business throughout this era of failure. Yet you think he is blameless?
 

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The board picked and appointed 4 managers actually, with hardly anything in common, which suggests they have no idea what they want to achieve or how.

I said the board is running it (successfully) as a business. Too bad us fans don't get excited about revenue.

Woodward has repeatedly failed to bring in the players the manager wants or get rid of the players they didn't to make space for new signings. We are left with an unbalanced squad full of dross. That's on Woodward, not the managers.

Since 2013 managers and players have come and gone. Ed has been a constant, appointing the managers and overseeing our transfer business throughout this era of failure. Yet you think he is blameless?
Exactly, Woodward and Judge are the ones that offer this huge monies in contracts, which is why we can't get rid of them if they fail. But the blame is put on the manager and he is sacked to save their necks.
 

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Out of all the teams in the top 6, we look the most clueless in attack. Chelsea are creating chances and playing a decent brand of football and Lampard has had far less time to work with the team, not to add the transfer ban and not having all his best players fit yet.

Ole simply isn't good enough. This isn't knee jerk after one bad performance, we simply just run around a lot more - but look clueless against any team that doesn't let us counter attack.

You can blame the board and what not - it's warranted, they're the one overlooking these changes. It doesn't take away from the fact that Ole simply isn't good enough as a manager here though.
 

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I'll reiterate what I said at his appointment.

He wont take us to the top. But he'll sort out the squad and leave us in a good position.

We look in better shape than last year. Martial is looking like a top striker. All our signings have fit right into the first team.
If it wasn't for 2 missed penalties and some poor refereeing, we'd be 9 points in 3 games.


Very small margins considering the backlash
 

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3 wins in 16 games says it all. Not good enough. Tactically inept, too slow to make subs, persisting with Lingard, allowing Rashford to take freekicks. I like Ole and feel sorry for him.
 

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I'll reiterate what I said at his appointment.

He wont take us to the top. But he'll sort out the squad and leave us in a good position.

We look in better shape than last year. Martial is looking like a top striker. All our signings have fit right into the first team.
If it wasn't for 2 missed penalties and some poor refereeing, we'd be 9 points in 3 games.


Very small margins considering the backlash
And if Chelsea converted their chances in the first game we could’ve been 1 point out of 9.
 

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And if Chelsea converted their chances in the first game we could’ve been 1 point out of 9.
And if we'd converted ours yesterday and on Monday, it could be 6 out of 9.

We can look at in terms of points or team progress. I'd be happier if I saw us playing brilliantly and progressing.

I can see some progress but not enough to fill me with confidence for the season
 

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He'll eventually get sacked, they'll leave it far too late in the season though - when the season is unsalvageable.
 

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How could you blame Ole when most of our players shouldn't even starting for the team? Our midfield is joke as everyone else, who thought Lindelof was top class and now they blame the manager. Even De Gea has regressed so we are doomed, unless they buy at least 5 starters until next summer.
 

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The biggest mistake in the last 6-7 years is expecting to find another manager like Sir Alex.

The managers We've had were no jokes (other than Moyes) and They failed far below expectations. At this point, surely it's not just the managers that were the problem? Until We fixed the club's management, a new manager won't change much. Ole wanted more players than We bought, Jose wanted more players than We bought, Van Gaal saw us as a commercial club. I know how easy it can be for people to dislike ex managers after their failure but it didn't happen only once and as crazy as these managers might be, They were no amateurs.

The whole appointment process and even the business process at ManUnited is a mistake and it needs to change. Ole can only do so much and We know what We got when We gave him the contract. We weren't getting a Pocchetino, a Guardiola or another Sir Alex. I would dare to say that even if it was Pep instead Jose here, there's no guarantee He'd have succeeded too.
 

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You believe 3 players in and a net spend of £60M is doing their part? Based on the situation we've been in the last 6 years and the squad Ole took over?

Real Madrid had one bad season last year, this summer they have spend €300M already and probably will get either Pogba, Eriksen or Neymar before the transfer window closes. That's doing 'their part'.
We spend 200m 2 years ago. Wrote that off?
 
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