Rob67
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That's like saying Usain Bolts sprinting ability is somewhere between Ann Widdecombe and Carl LewisHis ability to me is somewhere between smalling and Ferdinand.
That's like saying Usain Bolts sprinting ability is somewhere between Ann Widdecombe and Carl LewisHis ability to me is somewhere between smalling and Ferdinand.
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Yes. He was extremely good at it. First game where he really showed his class in that area, he is probably settled now. Looking forward to see more of him. Hopefully we'll see more of Tuanzebe too, playing alongside him.His passing kept kick starting our attacks. Unfortunately our midfield is useless
He is the left sided CB, so when the ball is on the left, his job is to guard the front post area, while his defensive partner should cover the back post, which is more or less what happened. A more defensive minded midfield player than Pogba, may well have picked up Vestergard, and/or prevented him from making the run on Lindelof, at least not given him a free run. At Leicester Maguire would have had total faith in his defensive partner to win the header, or at least make it really difficult for the attacking player to have a clear header, so he was clearly right to take up the position he did, it's not his fault if his team mates don't do the right thing defensively. It will be interesting when we come up against a team like Burnley to see if Ole will put Tuanzebe in, who is possibly better in the air than Lindelof.Far from being a leader, he seems to be scared...
His mistake cost us the game. The only thing he should have been doing is marking Lestergard. It should have been the obvious settlement between Lindelof and him.
He should have been closer to Lestergard.
But lindelof was the man who was in front of their goal scorer, so why would Harry maguire be at fault? He even pointed towards him and told someone to grab him
Watch pogba in the replays too, stands by watching.
It’s simple mathematicsHe is the left sided CB, so when the ball is on the left, his job is to guard the front post area, while his defensive partner should cover the back post, which is more or less what happened. A more defensive minded midfield player than Pogba, may well have picked up Vestergard, and/or prevented him from making the run on Lindelof, at least not given him a free run. At Leicester Maguire would have had total faith in his defensive partner to win the header, or at least make it really difficult for the attacking player to have a clear header, so he was clearly right to take up the position he did, it's not his fault if his team mates don't do the right thing defensively. It will be interesting when we come up against a team like Burnley to see if Ole will put Tuanzebe in, who is possibly better in the air than Lindelof.
You're mostly right. But the goal wasn't from set piece though.It’s simple mathematics
A set piece in play, they got their tallest defender up, our tallest defender should have been marking him, Full stop.
You're mostly right. But the goal wasn't from set piece though.
@noodlehairHe even pointed towards him and told someone to grab him
Our management was at fault for that goal. The players should know who is responsible for dealing with a single player in our goal area when a cross comes in. If they don't you have to do see what goes on in training.But lindelof was the man who was in front of their goal scorer, so why would Harry maguire be at fault? He even pointed towards him and told someone to grab him
Watch pogba in the replays too, stands by watching.
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It isn't. Vestegaard has agency and can just follow Lindelof as the weakest defender Swapping centre back positions to follow where their tallest player is is a very stupid idea.It’s simple mathematics
A set piece in play, they got their tallest defender up, our tallest defender should have been marking him, Full stop.
FYI in no way is that mathematics...It’s simple mathematics
A set piece in play, they got their tallest defender up, our tallest defender should have been marking him, Full stop.
Yes that is exactly a top defender would do. They had not pushed out, he was still lurking around the 6 yard box, it is "A Mistake" not to mark him. He was always going to out jump any other United Defender.FYI in no way is that mathematics...
If you were talking about a set piece, you'd be right. It's common to see an opponent's most dangerous aerial threats being marked by multiple players or by an equally good header of the ball. However, you're talking about the phase after the set piece where our defensive line is pushing out, midfielders and attackers are running through to make sure they aren't behind Maguire who sets our offside line, to suggest Maguire should just follow Vestergaard around and ignore what's going on after the set piece is taken is ridiculous.
This comment has the hallmarks of someone who has never played a high-level game of football in their lives. You can't just waltz off and mark the tallest player on the pitch during open play. If he had, he would have left a gaping hole at the near post. Then we would all be blaming him for vacating his position.Yes that is exactly a top defender would do. They had not pushed out, he was still lurking around the 6 yard box, it is "A Mistake" not to mark him. He was always going to out jump any other United Defender.
Maquire might be a top defender, but that moment of sloppiness cost us the goal.
Sloppiness? It was the second phase of a corner, you cannot just leave someone and find the tallest man to mark? what are you thinking?Maquire might be a top defender, but that moment of sloppiness cost us the goal.
A lot of criticism on Lindelof, but when the ball is played the way it was a player with a running jump will always have the better of a CB back tracking.It was clever play from Vestegaard to peel off of Maguire in the 2nd phase and attach himself to Lindelof. The CBs had no time to adjust, and after a accurately placed cross, Lindelof had no chance.
As another poster pointed out, in a non condescending way given I'm assuming none of us are professional footballers or coaches, that never happens in football.Yes that is exactly a top defender would do. They had not pushed out, he was still lurking around the 6 yard box, it is "A Mistake" not to mark him. He was always going to out jump any other United Defender.
Maquire might be a top defender, but that moment of sloppiness cost us the goal.
he hoped his CB partner would deal with a simple aerial ball for the 2nd time in a week 3rd time lucky I guess!Yes that is exactly a top defender would do. They had not pushed out, he was still lurking around the 6 yard box, it is "A Mistake" not to mark him. He was always going to out jump any other United Defender.
Maquire might be a top defender, but that moment of sloppiness cost us the goal.
It’s really a lot more complicated. After the corner is cleared, everyone is naturally repositioning themselves to normal defence, so Vestergard gets off Maguire (which is natural), but he is the half second before the cross surrounded by two of our tallest players, Rashford and Pogba. Lindelöf is on the inside, but aware of the threat, pointing for Rashford and Pogba to follow him. Rashford is not a defender and not the most aware, so he slightly stupidly drifts off behind Lindelöf’s back, so Lindelöf doesn’t see that. But Pogba has it all in front of him and should step up, but Pogba is ... Pogba, so he just stands still watching like he’s prone to when the other team has the ball. Lindelöf is aware too late that Vestergard is alone, and has no chance getting into his body by then.he hoped his CB partner would deal with a simple aerial ball for the 2nd time in a week 3rd time lucky I guess!
That goal is purely on Lindelof losing a duel.
At least they can spell his name correctly though chief.He has been really good and he is simply excellent on the ball and takes alot of responsibility in starting attacks.
He and James and Martial have been our best players and it is not even close.
If anyone things McGuire has been poor they have an obvious agenda.
meh you know who I was referring to.At least they can spell his name correctly though chief.
Pogba has 2 people behind him. Sorry not letting him get the blame for this oneIt’s really a lot more complicated. After the corner is cleared, everyone is naturally repositioning themselves to normal defence, so Vestergard gets off Maguire (which is natural), but he is the half second before the cross surrounded by two of our tallest players, Rashford and Pogba. Lindelöf is on the inside, but aware of the threat, pointing for Rashford and Pogba to follow him. Rashford is not a defender and not the most aware, so he slightly stupidly drifts off behind Lindelöf’s back, so Lindelöf doesn’t see that. But Pogba has it all in front of him and should step up, but Pogba is ... Pogba, so he just stands still watching like he’s prone to when the other team has the ball. Lindelöf is aware too late that Vestergard is alone, and has no chance getting into his body by then.
De Gea could also have come out, which isn’t his strength or his style. Also, we are slow to get out to press in that situation (can’t remember who that was). As it’s not a set piece directly, it’s not something that is easily practiced on in training either. The combination of five minor weaknesses combined in an unlucky way to leave a gaping hole, you could say. With the four goals shipped on two big mistakes in the last three games, we’ve had more than enough bad luck to make up for the Chelsea game.
The point is that there is no point assigning a huge proportion of blame to anyone in particular for the goal. There is a minor blame to a lot of people that cumulatively adds up.Pogba has 2 people behind him. Sorry not letting him get the blame for this one
At the end of the day you can make it as complicated as you want, but if he won the header we wouldn’t be talking about this.
Lindelof is noticeably weak in the air, this isn’t the first time and it won’t be last he costs us in an aerial duel.
This is my conclusion as well. Lindelof should have shut down better, DDG should have moved from his line, Bissaka should have made a better effort to stop the cross, Rashford and Pogba should have prevented Vestergaards run and then the tactics: who marks who etc. You can put an "if" to all of those situations.The point is that there is no point assigning a huge proportion of blame to anyone in particular for the goal. There is a minor blame to a lot of people that cumulatively adds up.
You can’t increase the blame on someone in the situation based on previous history, that’s false logic.
Your argument that ‘if L won the header ...’ is silly, as it goes for everybody in the situation.
Took this to a more appropriate thread.Maguire should have covered yes, thats a mistake after Lindelof's first mistake. So no Maguire isnt to blame. They both are but Lindelof made the mistake first
No, its saying that Maguire isnt called into action if Lindelof does a half decent job of attempting to deal with the ball in the air.Took this to a more appropriate thread.
"Lindelöf made the mistake first?" First of all: That's "nu-uh, you are" levels of reasoning. Secondly, why the feck does that matter? It's not as if it erases Maguire's mistake. Thirdly, Maguire made a mistake the moment Lindelöf moved to challenge for the header, by not moving to cover. Not that it's relevant, they fecked up in tandem. One's mistake compounded the other's. Had either one managed not to feck up doing something so basic, we wouldn't have conceded.