He barely played any minutes in pre season which should have alerted people to the fact Ole was very unlikely to play him in the early season games! I think he’ll play a Europa match, show his ridiculous talent and then be seriously putting pressure on Jesse and Mata to perform or be replaced by Gomes
Angel Gomes — Is he the key player to unlock organized defenses?
- Thread starter DSG
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Oh I am with you on that 100%. He should get chances ahead of duds but he is most definitely not the answer to unlocking defenses.
If we want to do that consistently then we need creative players in their prime at the club. Salah, Mane, De Bryune, Eriksen are our competition. They are players with physical and mental development to produce every week. We only have Pogba that comes close to that description. Gomes might become that player in 3-4 years but highly unlikely that he can consistently do that at this stage of his career.
100 percent.
Gets into those hard to reach spaces in compact lines so play him with 20 minutes to go in the number 10 slot or on any position either side of the main striker. I'd give him a free role i rate him that highly.
Gets into those hard to reach spaces in compact lines so play him with 20 minutes to go in the number 10 slot or on any position either side of the main striker. I'd give him a free role i rate him that highly.
The idea that he’s not been developed properly is total nonsense! How many 19 year olds are regularly getting first team minutes in the 8 or 10 positions in the Premier League?
He's not the key to do it. That's putting far too much pressure on him.
The most important thing I feel we need is to have somebody who can share the playmaking duties (both creating chances and controlling the team around in general) with Pogba. We know that nobody in the first team squad is capable of doing that. Gomes might be the one who can, so he might have a very important role. I still wouldn't be looking at him as being 'the key'.
Actually, there's also a chance of Fred being that player if he gets his act together. He did tend to play well last season when next to McTominay, and it was when he was next to Matic he struggled.
We also know that he will get some game-time once all the competitions start kicking in and we end up playing two or three games a week. The big question will be how much game-time will it be, and if he performs well will Ole move him up the pecking order so that he's regularly playing in the league and the others are playing the cup games? We don't know the answer to that yet.
The most important thing I feel we need is to have somebody who can share the playmaking duties (both creating chances and controlling the team around in general) with Pogba. We know that nobody in the first team squad is capable of doing that. Gomes might be the one who can, so he might have a very important role. I still wouldn't be looking at him as being 'the key'.
Actually, there's also a chance of Fred being that player if he gets his act together. He did tend to play well last season when next to McTominay, and it was when he was next to Matic he struggled.
Far too early to say that. He's a Utd fan who has been here since he was 6, and even his godfather is an ex-Utd player (Nani). If he gets sufficient game-time it's almost certain that he will sign a new contract.
We also know that he will get some game-time once all the competitions start kicking in and we end up playing two or three games a week. The big question will be how much game-time will it be, and if he performs well will Ole move him up the pecking order so that he's regularly playing in the league and the others are playing the cup games? We don't know the answer to that yet.
To be clear he is 19. a lot of 17's being thrown around
He's two years younger than Lingard and considering how much the latter is struggling to adapt to PL football what makes people think Gomes will be able to do that?
I heard his midichlorian level is at par to prime Yoda's
His goal against spurs in pre season is example of what he can do in small spaces and quick thinking. Quick one 2 when we get get close to the opposition's box. Only players that I have seen do it for us is Pogba v Wolves ended up winning penalty and Martial v Palace ended up setting up James for goal. Need more players like that to unlock teams that sit deep.
How many are as talented as Gomes. There was one. He left City and currently at Dortmund.
The idea that I’m blaming United for not developing him is where your emotional response has come from. He’s just not going to get the required development for his career here. We don’t play the football that benefits him and we can’t get over the fact he’s not big enough to play centre midfield for us. We don’t have a Pep in charge of the first team and it’s the Premier league.
Yes He is the One!
The Saviour of the Doomed!
I am not joking i mean it.
The Saviour of the Doomed!
I am not joking i mean it.
Mata had a decent game against Southampton. Pogba also clearly needs to be playing firther up the pitch, so I think one of those two will be playing in the Gomes role in the immediate term.
I hope Gomes gets some games in the Europa League and Caballero Cup, then if he does well enough pushes for a place in the PL. If he does well enough to start there that's fine and I think Ole will give him game time at some point so he gets the opportunity, but putting pressure on him to be the main starter there is silly. Especially as he is only 11 years old.
I hope Gomes gets some games in the Europa League and Caballero Cup, then if he does well enough pushes for a place in the PL. If he does well enough to start there that's fine and I think Ole will give him game time at some point so he gets the opportunity, but putting pressure on him to be the main starter there is silly. Especially as he is only 11 years old.
I mean... as opposed to Mata and Lingard? Yeah I'd have Gomes on any time over them. Developed properly, he'll be one of the greatest.
Part of the solution is definitely a #10 with quality and if Gomes is as good as advertised, he's just that, so yes. I'd also much rather not see Lingard play another minute so whoever else it might is welcomed.
??? Lingard is 25, Gomes is 19...
Apart from that, he’s a completely different player and person than Lingard.
I suppose no one ever will be promoted if Lingard is the gold standard.
I really wish people would take 4 minutes to read the previous posts and get their facts straight before posting shite....
Gomes is 7 years and 9 months younger than Lingard.
He should get more minutes but to be honest it would be foolish to put too much pressure on the shoulders of himself, Greenwood and Chong.
No, he's a kid that doesn't need that kind of pressure thrust on him.
Some of you are one bad transfer window away from believing in a prophecy about a chosen one that's not been born yet.
Some of you are one bad transfer window away from believing in a prophecy about a chosen one that's not been born yet.
You are correct, Lingard is 26 now and Angel just turned 19. I need to get my own facts straight.
It just goes to show you that at 26, Lingard is a microcosm of who we are as a football club. Not good enough, not developing, now too old to get any better. May God help us if we are having the same conversation about Rashford in 3 years....
As West Ham recently, and a few other teams in the 23s have shown if you put a few 'reducers' in on him as Big Ron would say he drifts out of the game significantly after starting well, maybe he should get more protection, but till he can sort that out he isn't getting any closer to the first-team anytime soon, sadly he may never.
Sometimes I feel like this forum is the embodiment of Nietzsche's concept of eternal recurrence.
He turned 19 four days ago
He is the key to unlocking any defence. Angel is great in all attacking situations.
Gomes is suffering from the Cleverley effect: the longer he's left out of the first team picture, the better he gets. He's practically world class now and the saviour to our season.
This is what I'm worried about. I doubt he'll immediately take to the Premier League like people are hoping.
Last edited:
He'll start in the Cup and hopefully put in a great performance. He's going to have to force his way into the team. I can see him picked ahead of Lingard and Mata in the second half of the season if he does what we all know he can do.
He’s only impressed in glimpses from what I’ve seen of him. Watching his highlights I honestly don’t see anything special there. Doesn’t seem like he’s much of goal threat, and his passing looks reasonable but nothing too promising. Ordinary vision and of course physically he looks disadvantaged. And this is him playing at youth level mind you. Januzaj and Pereira were running that show in their time - look at how they fared cast in the academy saviour role.
That being said, if we can’t get Pogba closer to the goal or switch formations, I hope we do play him. Anything is better than staying the course.
That being said, if we can’t get Pogba closer to the goal or switch formations, I hope we do play him. Anything is better than staying the course.
Labelling him a key player is a bit crazy, but with this current side, he should certainly be on the bench at least
I there any harm of starting him against team like Crystal Palace or Newcastle United or other lesser team at Old Trafford who are likely to sit back & park the bus?
The answer is no. We couldn’t even breakthrough Crystal Palace defense with the players we got and lost the game. We are basically going to dominate in those type of game anyway.
The answer is no. We couldn’t even breakthrough Crystal Palace defense with the players we got and lost the game. We are basically going to dominate in those type of game anyway.
none, and he is 19 3 days
The headline writes itself - Angel elevates the devils to new levels.
I can’t bloody wait for the cup competitions to start so he can get a decent run in the team. I’m convinced he can force his way into the first team.
I really hope he will do well enough to be second choice this season. The less lingard play the better
I just don't think we have the structure or personnel to give him a chance at the moment. Gomes as a 10 means Pogba has to play deeper. We will get overran too much with Pogba in a two man midfield with a lightweight no10 who is not known for their defensive work in front of him.
Our midfield would be much more secure with a flat midfield 3 with McTominay, Pogba and one of Fred/Pereira/Matic.
Also I have seen so many times over the years, 'why isn't x getting a chance, he can't be much worse than y' , for that player to then end up nowhere near United standard. Pereira was one of those a few years back, people clamoring for him to play as a number 10 and threads like this were similar.
Our midfield would be much more secure with a flat midfield 3 with McTominay, Pogba and one of Fred/Pereira/Matic.
Also I have seen so many times over the years, 'why isn't x getting a chance, he can't be much worse than y' , for that player to then end up nowhere near United standard. Pereira was one of those a few years back, people clamoring for him to play as a number 10 and threads like this were similar.
How many goals/assists does Gomes have for the United first team in people's FIFA/FM seasons?
If you don't see anything special there, you're watching the wrong sport.
I had a season on FM where I won the treble in around 22/23 and he bagged 10 goals and 21 assists and was nominated for the Balon D'or. Good times.