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Sir Matt

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:eek: I do have to say that the Tories are quicker to jump ship from Boris than Republicans are for Trump.
 

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After her role in Windrush, the implementation of Universal Credit and going before a Commons committee to lie to MPs about removal targets, we've finally found Amber Rudd's red line. How the Boris led Tories treat Churchill's sprog's sprog.
 

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After her role in Windrush, the implementation of Universal Credit and going before a Commons committee to lie to MPs about removal targets, we've finally found Amber Rudd's red line. How the Boris led Tories treat Churchill's sprog's sprog.
Don't worry, I'm sure she'll have forgotten why she resigned and accepted another cabinet position by this time next week.
 

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I didn't think she'd do it, if its gone this far there's going to be several more. Potential new group of independents.

I spoke to my in laws today who are tory voters and hate Corbyn, well they told me they'll be voting Labour because Brexit will do worse damage than he could and Boris is no better. I hope that's a sentiment felt up and down the country
 

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My mistake... Yes she did... Probably off to the libs / change UK then
I fecking hope the Lib Dems don't take her. Liberals taking in someone who had a role in Windrush?

If Swinson acts too greedily with those independent conservatives, her party's traditional support will be eroded. Then it will really be, just Yellow Tories
 

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I fecking hope the Lib Dems don't take her. Liberals taking in someone who had a role in Windrush?

If Swinson acts too greedily with those independent conservatives, her party's traditional support will be eroded. Then it will really be, just Yellow Tories
They already are; although Rudd is probably a step too far even then.
 

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I mean, I'll be really glad if the Conservatives cease to exist but they'll just disseminate into other parties and sadly the Brexit Party in charge and Nige as PM seem more and more likely
 

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Even if all their one nation mps resign, what difference does it make? They’re going full Blukip for this election. It’s good publicity for their aims to lose these remain mps.
 

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Only for the Socialists that feel everyone right of their position is a Tory. And I do fecking hope Rudd is a step too far
Or for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to anything Swinson says or does.

I actually think this is a huge problem for them going forward. Their voter base is largely left of centre but the party as a whole is further to the right. I can't see them holding on to younger, pro-Remain minded voters who have drifted towards them from Labour in their current guise.
 

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Even if all their one nation mps resign, what difference does it make? They’re going full Blukip for this election. It’s good publicity for their aims to lose these remain mps.
Possibly... Though there was a chunk of people who voted remain and voted conservatives and moving too far right might loose those voters to libs
There is always a difficulty going head to head with an existing MP locally as well and that might happen in 20 or so constituencys
 

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Or for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to anything Swinson says or does.

I actually think this is a huge problem for them going forward. Their voter base is largely left of centre but the party as a whole is further to the right. I can't see them holding on to younger, pro-Remain minded voters who have drifted towards them from Labour in their current guise.
This is me. I was possibly going to vote Lib Dem in the next GE (if my local MP moves to a safer seat) but the more I see them hoovering up these Tory rebels with horrendous voting histories, the more I am put off. Jezza and McDonnell can't be too bad, can they..?
 

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This is me. I was possibly going to vote Lib Dem in the next GE (if my local MP moves to a safer seat) but the more I see them hoovering up these Tory rebels with horrendous voting histories, the more I am put off. Jezza and McDonnell can't be too bad, can they..?
Wait, them propping up the Tories in the past wasn't a red flag to you? Genuine question.
 

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It's quite possible Rudd has quit to avoid being voted out when the inevitable election happens over the next month or two.

Her majority was practically non existent and she was very lucky to still be an MP after the 2017 election.

I expect a few more will go as well.

The problem we are going to have as things stand is right now, the UK cannot do anything domestically let alone get Brexit concluded one way or the other.

The government party have a minority government of negative 45 or something, the opposition party's are made up of utterly useless labour clowns opposed to everything and anything, a nationalist party that would genuinely welcome the collapse of the UK and a load of minor party's who's sum achievements would fit on a pin head, with plenty of room to spare.

It can't carry on like this but we have cowards afraid of an election (nothing says you cannot reapply if you win the election even if Johnson takes us out...) And the government is run by maniacs. Hang them all on Pendle Hill.
 

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It can't carry on like this but we have cowards afraid of an election (nothing says you cannot reapply if you win the election even if Johnson takes us out...) And the government is run by maniacs. Hang them all on Pendle Hill.
Spare us the pre-school Tory attack lines. There will be an election called within a month or so, and no-one is fooled by the Tories transparent attempts to slip a no-deal Brexit through via trickery.

As for reapplying, it isn’t a gym membership we’re talking about. Even if the EU would readmit us (highly questionable), it would first involve huge economic damage from the original exit and then having to crawl back and be willing to accept much crapper terms than we already have. Yay, we’d be humiliated and much poorer too..
 

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Spare us the pre-school Tory attack lines. There will be an election called within a month or so, and no-one is fooled by the Tories transparent attempts to slip a no-deal Brexit through via trickery.

As for reapplying, it isn’t a gym membership we’re talking about. Even if the EU would readmit us (highly questionable), it would first involve huge economic damage from the original exit and then having to crawl back and be willing to accept much crapper terms than we already have. Yay, we’d be humiliated and much poorer too..
Yep. The coward line is so transparent it's virtually worthless as an argument for an immediate election.
 

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Swinson is a Tory, I dont know why she didnt just join them.
Because in Scotland the Tories had one seat at the time. The Lib Dems were the most viable option for people in non- Labour/rural constituencies to get into positions of power.
 

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This is me. I was possibly going to vote Lib Dem in the next GE (if my local MP moves to a safer seat) but the more I see them hoovering up these Tory rebels with horrendous voting histories, the more I am put off. Jezza and McDonnell can't be too bad, can they..?
Really starting to think it's a very, very bad strategy for them. Taking in some rebels is useful, but their desire to bring over all the Change UK mob when the very same people wanted to literally bring an end to the party seven months ago is bordering on pathetic and makes them out to be a party concerned with nothing other than Brexit when traditionally they've had more substance than that, even if they're not a party I would've voted for.
 

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It's quite possible Rudd has quit to avoid being voted out when the inevitable election happens over the next month or two.

Her majority was practically non existent and she was very lucky to still be an MP after the 2017 election.

I expect a few more will go as well.

The problem we are going to have as things stand is right now, the UK cannot do anything domestically let alone get Brexit concluded one way or the other.

The government party have a minority government of negative 45 or something, the opposition party's are made up of utterly useless labour clowns opposed to everything and anything, a nationalist party that would genuinely welcome the collapse of the UK and a load of minor party's who's sum achievements would fit on a pin head, with plenty of room to spare.

It can't carry on like this but we have cowards afraid of an election (nothing says you cannot reapply if you win the election even if Johnson takes us out...) And the government is run by maniacs. Hang them all on Pendle Hill.
First of all, do you actually believe that coward line. Gross.

Secondly, do you really think we can just re apply to the EU. Let’s see how that goes.

Yeah can we re join?
Okay, but you’ll have to use the Euro.
No sorry, but can we re join?
Yeah but you’ll have to be in Schengen.
No sorry, but can we re join?
Yeah but you’ll have to give up those veto’s you had on our laws.
 

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I keep reading about The Brexit party but for me they are simply Kippers 2.0 and there’s no substance to them. I don’t see how any of their support can be translated to actual seats. They are desperate to ride the Tory ticket and get a few of their cronies elected and this is why they’re pressing so hard for a pact.

They got 5.25m votes in EU elections and this will be their peak at any election give or take a bit because their backers will always turn out to vote. They should be a non issue for the big two and I think they’d only make the difference in a handful of very marginal seats but any pact would then alienate the base elsewhere so swings and roundabouts really.
 

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Wait, them propping up the Tories in the past wasn't a red flag to you? Genuine question.
Past is the past, dynamics change. On balance I think Nick Clegg had a very difficult decision to make and with hindsight, perhaps he should have let the Conservatives govern with a minority government and force another GE.
 

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Really starting to think it's a very, very bad strategy for them. Taking in some rebels is useful, but their desire to bring over all the Change UK mob when the very same people wanted to literally bring an end to the party seven months ago is bordering on pathetic and makes them out to be a party concerned with nothing other than Brexit when traditionally they've had more substance than that, even if they're not a party I would've voted for.
I began turning off them when they let Chuka Umunna, the careerist wally, in. My vote for Lib Dems would largely be a rejection of Labour as opposed to a vote for the Lib Dems in proper, but with such important ramifications of the result of a GE. I don't think my conscience can allow me to vote for anyone other than Labour. What's the point in being able to say "Well I voted Green" when the country is in turmoil because of a no deal Brexit?
 

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I began turning off them when they let Chuka Umunna, the careerist wally, in. My vote for Lib Dems would largely be a rejection of Labour as opposed to a vote for the Lib Dems in proper, but with such important ramifications of the result of a GE. I don't think my conscience can allow me to vote for anyone other than Labour. What's the point in being able to say "Well I voted Green" when the country is in turmoil because of a no deal Brexit?
Just vote for the person most likely to beat the Tory.