[Sterling Archer]

Sorry but that's just bollocks and is in no way relevant to whether a player can actually play football to a decent standard or not.

Caftard 1: Rashford is young. His play will mature in a few years. He's not even 23.

Caftard 2: wot? Wasford gonna grow a brain at 23?

Caftard 1: actually developmental neurology does show significant brain changes all the way thru 25 years age.

Caftard 3: this science stuff is beyond me. I'll ignore the context of the conversation and contribute the best way I know how - bollocks bollocks bollocks

 

[ZenMaster Coltrane]

It's not his age. It's the number of games and starts. For the minutes he's logged, he should be much further along in his evolution/improvement. He runs in a straight line, has one thought to just take on players when he receives and turns. He's not a composed finisher and his decision making is atrocious. I just don't see the football intelligence, which I feel can only be marginally coached up. He may jump levels in a great system where tons of easy chances are created but I'm not even sure he has the discipline or desire to shed that 1v1 head down gene.

In a top squad, he's nothing more than an impact sub. He'd never be on free kicks or corners.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Came on expecting his thread to be full of praise for a good performance.

What a crock of shite this forum has turned into, it’s as bad as a youtube comment section.

Amen to that. This thread is genuinely shameful. Hit a new low tonight.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It’s a damn shame, not even sure where this agenda against one of our own is coming from.

Maybe some sort of Lingard contagion? Definitely a load of spoilt twats, lacking any kind of emotional connection with where the club is located.

 

[WR10]

He plays like someone that thinks they’re a lot more skillful than they actually are. He lacks the intelligence on the field to manipulate the game without the ball.

He might press like a headless chicken but his urgency and work ethic off the ball in the final 1/3 is school boy level. He rarely is creating any angles and most of the time dwells on the ball making poor decisions. The odd time he attempts a take on, or if we’re lucky, a long range toe punt aiming for top row.

There’s no arrow head ‘point’ to his game play. There is no impetus. There is no real ‘danger’ with a lot of things he does. I have fleeting moments where I see a 17/18 year old Ronaldo for us but then it’s just mostly some kid that got hyped up too much in the playground

Having said all that - we have no choice but to back him. He’s one of our only attacking starting players. Give us a decent season in our fight for 7/8th place

 

[lsd]

It’s a damn shame, not even sure where this agenda against one of our own is coming from.

It's called realism

 

[Sterling Archer]

It's called unrealistic expectations of FIFA and FM addicted, stats junkie generation of spoiled football fans

Fixed

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

It's called realism

Imagine if we had Raheem Sterling at age 21. You would have wanted him sold by now from the way he performed at that age. "Realism."

 

[haram]

It's called realism

Nothing real about it. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[lsd]

Imagine if we had Raheem Sterling at age 21. You would have wanted him sold by now from the way he performed at that age. "Realism."

I'll give you more realism , Rashford is not Raheem Stirling and will never be anywhere close to him in terms of talent

 

[tenpoless]

I don't think He's lazy or not hardworking. But it's clear even from last season that He's still inconsistent and We can't rely on him for all games. The writing was on the wall but We decided to go into the season with him and Martial as "senior strikers". We'll see more of him and Martial wasting chances, play a blinder in one game and goes missing in the next.

Get used to it. It's not surprising.

 

[Shiva87]

Fixed

Couldn't agree more!

 

[roonster09]

What I hate the most when I come to this thread is when I see other posters posting stats of Henry or Cristiano to say, 'but look, he has similar figures to those two at a similar age', like Henry and Cristiano had/have scaled peaks that this guy can never achieve. If he can't score 20 goals this season, it is high time we ship him off and bring in somebody who can. All it requires to be a Man Utd starter nowadays is you should be able to run and put more work. It's fine if you don't have the ability, it's fine if you don't have the football iq, it's fine if you just pass sideways and backwards without purpose.

I'll never understand why people post dumb things like this without even checking how many goals many of the attackers were scoring at Rashford's age. Left winger should be shipped off if he doesn't score 20 goals

 

[roonster09]

If we are still talking about 'potential' and 'he should improve his decision making' after 200 appearances and 4 seasons, then people just need to accept that Rashford will never live up to the expectations that they have built of him. I work as a software engineer, and if I was slacking off in my job and not producing the results, would the company fire me, or would they see some mystic 'potential' in me and keep me around for years to come, in the hopes that i would do something

And comparing software engineer to footballer

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

This thread is getting even worse...

 

[lsd]

I'll never understand why people post dumb things like this without even checking how many goals many of the attackers were scoring at Rashford's age. Left winger should be shipped off if he doesn't score 20 goals

I get the feeling in 8 years time when Rashford is still delivering 12 goals a season posters will be saying Ian Wright never started scoring 20 plus till he was around 28yrs its ridiculous to think Rashford will

 

[roonster09]

I get the feeling in 8 years time when Rashford is still delivering 12 goals a season posters will be saying Ian Wright never started scoring 20 plus till he was around 28yrs its ridiculous to think Rashford will

Tbh it's ridiculous that same dumb logic is used all the time. Players improve with their age and also starts to score more goals.

I can post few players who started scoring many goals but it's not worth the effort. Also how many LW consistently scored 12 goals? (I'm assuming it's 12 league goals) and especially at Rashford's age.

Just FYI Robben averaged 14 goals in all competitions playing for Bayern and he joined them when he was 25. In 4 seasons in Dutch league he scored 12 goals once. In 5 seasons at Madrid and Chelsea he never scored more than 9 goals.

 

[SweetRightFoot]

What I hate the most when I come to this thread is when I see other posters posting stats of Henry or Cristiano to say, 'but look, he has similar figures to those two at a similar age', like Henry and Cristiano had/have scaled peaks that this guy can never achieve. If he can't score 20 goals this season, it is high time we ship him off and bring in somebody who can. All it requires to be a Man Utd starter nowadays is you should be able to run and put more work. It's fine if you don't have the ability, it's fine if you don't have the football iq, it's fine if you just pass sideways and backwards without purpose.

Great point. Doesn't matter how many goals he scores at 20 years old, how many did he score at 25? Exactly, 0. Ship him out!

Also...
No one has ever criticized Rashford for this. Showing your colours a bit here, aren't ya?

 

[finneh]

He plays like someone that thinks they’re a lot more skillful than they actually are. He lacks the intelligence on the field to manipulate the game without the ball.

He might press like a headless chicken but his urgency and work ethic off the ball in the final 1/3 is school boy level. He rarely is creating any angles and most of the time dwells on the ball making poor decisions. The odd time he attempts a take on, or if we’re lucky, a long range toe punt aiming for top row.

There’s no arrow head ‘point’ to his game play. There is no impetus. There is no real ‘danger’ with a lot of things he does. I have fleeting moments where I see a 17/18 year old Ronaldo for us but then it’s just mostly some kid that got hyped up too much in the playground

Having said all that - we have no choice but to back him. He’s one of our only attacking starting players. Give us a decent season in our fight for 7/8th place

There is no real "insight" in this post, which is a real shame, the poster seems to be "irrational" with his rhetoric and fundamentally "indignant" with a player that's come through the United youth team and has "contributed" more than almost anyone else in the current team.

 

[HowieC]

Did they have to offer it? Did they have to do the same for Martial? How is it the two players fault?



He makes mistakes on the pitch like most 21 year olds. He is one of the best young forwards in world football, period.

He does not have the talent you rave on about. For three years he has exhibited mediocre control in tight spaces, lack of true finishing ability, absence of goo link up play, and abysmal decision making apart from very brief spurts of good form.

If he is mostly bad, and bad in terms of fundamentals like touch and technique, not just decision making, is it possible that he is merely physically talented?

If so, does it matter that he is 21? Doubt those attributes are going to improve with age, perhaps only decision making if he learns some humility.

Don't mistake criticism for ad hominem attacks on our players. We are here to discuss Man Utd, not just cheerlead in an echo chamber.

 

[CR7000]

He must be very good in training....the manager trusts him. That does not seem to show on the pitch, though.

 

[littleman]

There is no real "insight" in this post, which is a real shame, the poster seems to be "irrational" with his rhetoric and fundamentally "indignant" with a player that's come through the United youth team and has "contributed" more than almost anyone else in the current team.

It's not like your post or you offer any sort of rich insight. Your posts are "dry", "drab" and "pointless".

Between Pogba and Rashford, I feel like fans have let their standards go down. MUFC used to be full of elite players that delivered amazing football week in week out. Now we have inconsistency paid with top dollars and we're not supposed to criticize them at all. Ridiculous.

You get paid as a starter, you better deliver as a starter.

 

[haram]

It's not like your post or you offer any sort of rich insight. Your posts are "dry", "drab" and "pointless".

Between Pogba and Rashford, I feel like fans have let their standards go down. MUFC used to be full of elite players that delivered amazing football week in week out. Now we have inconsistency paid with top dollars and we're not supposed to criticize them at all. Ridiculous.

You get paid as a starter, you better deliver as a starter.

Yet they play better for their national sides. Maybe it's the other players.

 

[2mufc0]

Thought he played well yesterday. Clearly better out wide where he has more space to run into. Maybe should be seen as a winger/wide forward in the future.

 

[Santoryo]

Came on expecting his thread to be full of praise for a good performance.

What a crock of shite this forum has turned into, it’s as bad as a youtube comment section.

Once this place has turned to a certain narrative about a player, it sticks to it regardless of conflicting evidences out there.

Since currently it's customary and expected of everyone posting in a Rashford thread to be bashing him, people will ignore any good, decent performance from him and only pile on the negative.

The good news is that if Rashford strings a few good performances for United they'll shift their narrative and overall attitude toward him.

 

[Svartzonker]

So Rashford is replacing Lukaku as the scapegoat.

I think Rashford should quit. At the age of 21 he will only be declining from here on. MLS/China next season, thats his level.

 

[El Jefe]

Why are so many posters being crybabies about Rashford criticism? On this page alone I've seen Rashford critics compared or referred to as youtube commenters, Fifa/FM lovers, spoilt twats and having agendas.

While some of the criticism he's received is OTT its absolutely justified. The simple facts are he's wanted the centre stage and Ole has given it to him, he's got the No.10 shirt, the £200/250k and a guaranteed starting spot so expectation is huge, that's just how it is at Manchester United. Yes, we're aware he's only 21 but he's far more experienced than your average 21 year old. He has 33 caps for England and will reach 200 games for us by the end of the year or early 2020.

Rashford obviously will improve but for the status and responsibility he has within the team he is not delivering and to make things worse he's absolutely frustrating. His running into blind alleys and taking shots from ridiculous distances seem like a part of his game that will never change. Personally I feel he's not good enough to be a starter here and never will, one of the most overrated players in football today but that's just me.

 

[manunited1919]

I think Rashford has many ingredients to be a great footballer: he clearly has talent, pace, discipline and is dedicated and hard working. He is, however, a work in progress. He needs good strong coaching to guide him and cut off the bad habits in his game, and I don’t know if Ole will be good for him or not. Ole certainly has put a lot of faith in him and given him confidence. But Ole needs to be more of a father figure, admonishing him and guiding him to raise his awareness of teammates, and cutting off the long distance shooting from any position. Someone also needs to work with him to teach him how to head the ball.

For us fans, we need to have patience with him. Unfortunately our directors/owners have placed the goal scoring burden on a few youngsters. They said they do it in the best tradition of the club, but I’m sure they do it mostly for their wallet. This situation puts much pressure on Rashford and Martial to perform even if they aren’t ready. It’s not their fault.

 

[izec]

Thought he played well yesterday. Clearly better out wide where he has more space to run into. Maybe should be seen as a winger/wide forward in the future.

I see him more as a wide/inside forward than a central striker. At the moment, he is more effective there

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Caftard 1: Rashford is young. His play will mature in a few years. He's not even 23.

Caftard 2: wot? Wasford gonna grow a brain at 23?

Caftard 1: actually developmental neurology does show significant brain changes all the way thru 25 years age.

Caftard 3: this science stuff is beyond me. I'll ignore the context of the conversation and contribute the best way I know how - bollocks bollocks bollocks

Ability as a footballer has literally zero to do with how his brain matures. He’s already got a good few seasons under him and he’s not improved in anyway whatsoever if anything he’s regressed. Thing is as a person rashford is mature away from football he already does have a mature head on his shoulders. It’s his lack of footballing ability that’s going to stunt his career, that and lack of proper coaching.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Caftard 1: Rashford is young. His play will mature in a few years. He's not even 23.

Caftard 2: wot? Wasford gonna grow a brain at 23?

Caftard 1: actually developmental neurology does show significant brain changes all the way thru 25 years age.

Caftard 3: this science stuff is beyond me. I'll ignore the context of the conversation and contribute the best way I know how - bollocks bollocks bollocks

Wtf are you saying? You can teach a dumb dog to play fetch.

Rashford is talented. Coaching will make him better. He doesn’t need more talent. He needs to maximise the talent that he has.

Everyone knows this.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Ability as a footballer has literally zero to do with how his brain matures. He’s already got a good few seasons under him and he’s not improved in anyway whatsoever if anything he’s regressed. Thing is as a person rashford is mature away from football he already does have a mature head on his shoulders. It’s his lack of footballing ability that’s going to stunt his career, that and lack of proper coaching.

That is incorrect. The summary I linked tells you as much in layman's terms. So either you didn't read it, read it and didn't understand it, or understood it and decided that you know better than generations of experts smarter than both of us. I really hope it's anything but the last because I find that level of arrogance insufferable.

 

[SoCross]

Impressive if true.

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Requoting this. Only difference is that 21 year old Ronaldo or 21 year old Henry were never expected to be the lead forwards at their respective clubs. We need a senior striker, someone to take the limelight. Rashford and indeed Martial should play second fiddle.

 

[buckooo1978]

Requoting this. Only difference is that 21 year old Ronaldo or 21 year old Henry were never expected to be the lead forwards at their respective clubs. We need a senior striker, someone to take the limelight. Rashford and indeed Martial should play second fiddle.

agree with this

this season will be invaluable for Rashford in terms of his development and maturity alongside Martial and a few others - the scrutiny he is under is immense given that United are a circus

I was surprised to see him involved in the England goals when I watched highlights as all the sounds were suggesting he had flopped?! Again, the price you pay for playing for United and journalists looking clicks

the Glazers should have backed Ole properly.... obviously we shouldn't be going into a season where Rashford/Martial have to play every game. We needed a replacement for Sanchez/Lukaku and even a loan for Icardi would have been great but the one silver lining will be the experience our young attackers will get

 

[Starkie_1]

Requoting this. Only difference is that 21 year old Ronaldo or 21 year old Henry were never expected to be the lead forwards at their respective clubs. We need a senior striker, someone to take the limelight. Rashford and indeed Martial should play second fiddle.

You could also say that he’s scored way more goals than his talent and potential should purely because he’s playing too much in a team that struggles for goal scorers. Law of averages says he’s bound to get goals. The other two had to play with great strikers who would easily out score them.

Really don’t think he will be as big a player as everyone hopes, his talent is limited. However, hope I’m wrong and he goes on to have a solid career as a squad member of a successful team for us.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

That is incorrect. The summary I linked tells you as much in layman's terms. So either you didn't read it, read it and didn't understand it, or understood it and decided that you know better than generations of experts smarter than both of us. I really hope it's anything but the last because I find that level of arrogance insufferable.

It’s not me being arrogant it’s my opinion, I believe in football World class Talent can’t be learned, you’ve either got it or you haven’t. Perhaps it’s to do with united fans overrating rashford from the start but to me he will always be the potential man. I’m not hating on him but He’s just a largely average, very very occasionally decent player but will never be world class no matter how his brain matures.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It’s not me being arrogant it’s my opinion, I believe in football World class Talent can’t be learned, you’ve either got it or you haven’t. Perhaps it’s to do with united fans overrating rashford from the start but to me he will always be the potential man. I’m not hating on him but He’s just a largely average, very very occasionally decent player but will never be world class no matter how his brain matures.

I don't know why you're talking talent, physical or technical. For me, everything I'm referencing is around decision making mate.

 

[ash_86]

Requoting this. Only difference is that 21 year old Ronaldo or 21 year old Henry were never expected to be the lead forwards at their respective clubs. We need a senior striker, someone to take the limelight. Rashford and indeed Martial should play second fiddle.

Precisely. When he was playing alongside Kane who's an experienced head. The pressure is off Rashford to do everything and he performs better.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You could also say that he’s scored way more goals than his talent and potential should purely because he’s playing too much in a team that struggles for goal scorers. Law of averages says he’s bound to get goals. The other two had to play with great strikers who would easily out score them.

Really don’t think he will be as big a player as everyone hopes, his talent is limited. However, hope I’m wrong and he goes on to have a solid career as a squad member of a successful team for us.

So he’s more prolific than Henry/Ronaldo at the same age because he’s playing for a worse team than they did, with worse players around him?

That’s a hell of a theory.

 

[SoCross]

You could also say that he’s scored way more goals than his talent and potential should purely because he’s playing too much in a team that struggles for goal scorers. Law of averages says he’s bound to get goals. The other two had to play with great strikers who would easily out score them.

Really don’t think he will be as big a player as everyone hopes, his talent is limited. However, hope I’m wrong and he goes on to have a solid career as a squad member of a successful team for us.

Say what now?

That doesn’t make much sense. He has more goals to his name because the team is struggled to score goals?