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Will you give us £40mil for him?God no. Because he’s a-bit wank.
Will you give us £40mil for him?God no. Because he’s a-bit wank.
I share the same view. If Barkley was the undisputed designated penalty taker, you wouldn't have had 3-4 players converging on the spot kick trying to take it.You can't legislate for what players do in the heat of the game.
Personally I don't know if I believe Lampard when he says Barkley is designated taker. Call me a cynic, but it felt to me as he was trying to kill the controversy dead.
Would you give us £40 mil to take him?Will you give us £40mil for him?
Only if you take Kepa as well.Would you give us £40 mil to take him?
Yet he has taken several penalties while on the pitch and several over Jorginho while both on the pitch. He is clearly the taker.I share the same view. If Barkley was the undisputed designated penalty taker, you wouldn't have had 3-4 players converging on the spot kick trying to take it.
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Is Kepa not so good?Only if you take Kepa as well.
I hate to admit it but he's been decidedly iffy of late.Is Kepa not so good?
Now all we need is for Jorginho to miss the next penaltyHow many of these 4 pages have been sarcastic responses from Utd fans instead of serious debate over it? I'll wait for your answer...
You're again, missing the point. It's obviously been covered, but they won't and haven't gone to the extent of raising concerns over Lampard's ability to control his players, they haven't criticised the players to the extent of questioning their professionalism, they haven't used this missed penalty as an excuse to gaslight about "underlying problems" at the club. All of which was present in the Pogba penalty incident. An incident, need I remind you, was nowhere near as bad as what transpired yesterday.
All I'm querying is, where's the consistency?
Jorginho took penalties all season, last season. This season Chelsea's had one penalty on the charity shield, which Jorginho converted. Yet, you claim Barkley has taken several penalties on the pitch? What are you talking about, the friendlies against Timbuktu?Yet he has taken several penalties while on the pitch and several over Jorginho while both on the pitch. He is clearly the taker.
By your logic if Jorginho was the taker then Barkley wouldn't be getting involved just like how Willian acted a prick to Jorginho.
Barkley is the taker when on the pitch, hence he has always taken them.
That’s the way it looked to me, too. The other guys weren’t questioning Barkley taking it. It looked like Willian was the only guy not to get the memo.I think on the replay there it looked like Willian was the only one being an arse. Jorginho gave him a fist pump and Abraham looked like he was giving advice on where to put it.
Not sure why a journalist discussing the issue on twitter constitutes brushing anything under the carpet?Tweet
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This, and Oli Kay's initial tweet in this exchange are what I mean by "brushing it under the carpet" @Pogue Mahone @Dancfc @WeePat
Maybe because Neville was not the pundit for that game.You just knew he was going to miss when Willian and co were getting in his ear That's a proper example of creating a commotion over a penalty, bet you won't hear a peep out of Gary Neville about it though.
Ultimately the buck stops with both managers, in both scenarios.This thread has a loaded subtext.
Although I rather jokingly said Lampard should be exonerated it was only because, bottom line, he has to take the blame.
If Barclay was the official penalty taker the other players should have left him alone. They should have known to leave him alone and Lampard should have this drilled into them. It should also be drilled into them that when he is on the pitch, even when he has come on as sub, he takes the penalties. If on the other hand Barclay isn't the penalty taker, Lampard has lost the dressing room.
The subtext being that Ole was at fault for the Wolves debacle.
Ok, I see where you lie on the issue.Not sure why a journalist discussing the issue on twitter constitutes brushing anything under the carpet?
He’s also correct in everything he says in that tweet.
Now we have a 9 minute segment on Sky Sports News dedicated specifically to the Chelsea penalty incident.
It's interesting how former professionals consistently criticise the practice of on-field debates over penalties.
Phil Babb makes an insightful point at 2:54. Every time a teammate questions the person about to take the penalty, you chip away at their confidence.
At 7:27, Sidwell makes a sideways criticism of Lampard.
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This, and Oli Kay's initial tweet in this exchange are what I mean by "brushing it under the carpet" @Pogue Mahone @Dancfc @WeePat
When I was 34 I was asked to play a match for a local side on a Sunday. This was an adult league but the team was made up of players that had been together since under 14. I was assistant Manager with them for a few seasons.
Anyway i was asked to fill in one day as they had a few lads missing.
We were awarded a penalty about 25 mins in. I trotted up from CB and took the ball off the striker. Im taking this I said. Big argument.
I won. Absolutely smashed the peno..... high high into the sky.
They didn't pass to me for the rest of the game. I was hooked at about 65mins for the skinny crap fella.
Never asked back.
Let the assigned player take it
Exactly. Looking back on it it's cringe materiel.
You deserve that for trying to be Billy big bollocks
Did David Moyes try signing you after that?When I was 34 I was asked to play a match for a local side on a Sunday. This was an adult league but the team was made up of players that had been together since under 14. I was assistant Manager with them for a few seasons.
Anyway i was asked to fill in one day as they had a few lads missing.
We were awarded a penalty about 25 mins in. I trotted up from CB and took the ball off the striker. Im taking this I said. Big argument.
I won. Absolutely smashed the peno..... high high into the sky.
They didn't pass to me for the rest of the game. I was hooked at about 65mins for the skinny crap fella.
Never asked back.
Let the assigned player take it
I think you are missing the point. The main point of annoyance for everyone is that the coverage of our penalty miss was used to directly criticize Rashford for not being authoritative, Pogba for being selfish and Ole for being weak and having no control over his players. In that video or other coverage of the Chelsea penalty was about the event itself and not the criticism of the individuals involved (Barkley, Willian, Jorginho and Lampard) even if that lost them the game. The biggest criticism you saw on that video was "Barkley was confident, maybe overconfident". Personally, I do not care about how much they cover that or criticize that, its just the hypocrisy which is annoying.Now we have a 9 minute segment on Sky Sports News dedicated specifically to the Chelsea penalty incident.
Bloody media. Brushing it under the carpet. So unfair on Manchester United.
It was always bs, we all knew it. It’s pathetic how the media reacted to our penalty confusion compared to the reaction to Chelsea’s.Interestingly, Jorginho took the next penalty with Barkley on the field, blowing Fat Frank's theory that Barkley is the designated pen taker out of the water.
Chelsea didn't have a club legend in the post match coverage slagging the players and club off. That combined with the fact (that seems to be conveniently forgotten on here whenever this sort of comparison happens) that Man United are a far bigger club who get far more coverage on everything explains the difference in coverage.It was always bs, we all knew it. It’s pathetic how the media reacted to our penalty confusion compared to the reaction to Chelsea’s.
Thank Gary Neville for thatIt was always bs, we all knew it. It’s pathetic how the media reacted to our penalty confusion compared to the reaction to Chelsea’s.
He's got one of the best records in Europe and is Chelsea's best leader on the pitch so it makes perfect sense. It seems increasingly clear at this point that Barkley went rogue, the players reacted with a mixture of skepticism and confusion, and Lampard tried to protect Barkley after the fact.Isn't Jorginho a fantastic penalty taker? Scored majority he's taken for Napoli and Chelsea so seems odd to me he's not the undisputable number one when he's on the pitch.
From researching pre-season as I'm a fantasy football nerd...Barkley took your pens and by all accounts looked played pretty well (as did Mount), so the general assumption was that he might be a good FF punt due to him also being on pens. Surprised as a Chelsea fan you didn't know this...He's got one of the best records in Europe and is Chelsea's best leader on the pitch so it makes perfect sense. It seems increasingly clear at this point that Barkley went rogue, the players reacted with a mixture of skepticism and confusion, and Lampard tried to protect Barkley after the fact.
He took two pens during preseason whilst personnel were in flux. His career record now stands at 3 penalties made from five, with his previous successful penalty happening in February 2016. At this point he should be nowhere near spot kicks.From researching pre-season as I'm a fantasy football nerd...Barkley took your pens and by all accounts looked played pretty well (as did Mount), so the general assumption was that he might be a good FF punt due to him also being on pens. Surprised as a Chelsea fan you didn't know this...