I don't think I have ever meant a Barca fan different from that in real life. They are the worst to discuss football with
Ernesto Valverde
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I want to win trophies even if Valverde is at the helm.
The problem I have is the board not willing to look past those titles. they seem okay with Valverde letting us get blown out in the CL and playing awful football and him misusing players because he won them the league.
Don't get me wrong winning the league is important but the amount of leeway he gets from Barto & Co is truly something. Knowing our luck, we will suffer yet another CL blow out and Valverde will get rewarded again with another big-money signing and a brand new contract extension.
The problem I have is the board not willing to look past those titles. they seem okay with Valverde letting us get blown out in the CL and playing awful football and him misusing players because he won them the league.
Don't get me wrong winning the league is important but the amount of leeway he gets from Barto & Co is truly something. Knowing our luck, we will suffer yet another CL blow out and Valverde will get rewarded again with another big-money signing and a brand new contract extension.
If Valverde ends up trophyless and Koeman wins the Euro or reaches the semis or final, Barça will have a new manager by Aug 2020.
What a load of rubbish saying that the majority of fans aren't going to watch Barca anymore because "we didn't win the treble" last year. I am a member of those sites and the majority don't like the mediocre manager that serves up dull football 24/7, with rare exceptions. They don't like to watch give the ball to Messi and hope for the best type of football after spending hundreds of million on players. Fortunately for him, Messi is that good and covers the large tactical deficiency of Valverde's Barcelona. They don't like how every player we are buying worsens as soon as Valverde gets a hand on them. If you are not a veteran and you make a mistake, you will get a nice bench place for the rest of the season. Rakitic, Busquets, Suarez can have matches upon matches of poor performances and still be undisputed starters because Valverde is a coward who doesn't want to upset them. Also can't develop a young player to save his life.
Personally, I don't understand how a fan of the team wouldn't want to watch every match, because even under Valverde's era of turd on a stick football, I made everything possible to watch our games and missed 2 or 3 games/season at most. However, even if I can't vouch for every fan, the major reason for being put off watching matches is the dull football and the fact that we collapse like a cheap tent at the slightest adverse situation but not because we did not win the treble.
There are plenty of other team fans that follow almost all our matches and they say the same thing about Valverde. I know some Ajax fans that started to follow our games this year to watch Frenkie and have been shocked to see how misused he is and what a lack of tactical nous Valverde has. And these are people that started watching us just this year. Imagine watching this shitshow for the last 2 years. Messi papering over the cracks and winning titles almost on his own, coupled with RM and Atletico being poor in La Liga, does not make keeping Valverde justifiable.
Personally, I don't understand how a fan of the team wouldn't want to watch every match, because even under Valverde's era of turd on a stick football, I made everything possible to watch our games and missed 2 or 3 games/season at most. However, even if I can't vouch for every fan, the major reason for being put off watching matches is the dull football and the fact that we collapse like a cheap tent at the slightest adverse situation but not because we did not win the treble.
There are plenty of other team fans that follow almost all our matches and they say the same thing about Valverde. I know some Ajax fans that started to follow our games this year to watch Frenkie and have been shocked to see how misused he is and what a lack of tactical nous Valverde has. And these are people that started watching us just this year. Imagine watching this shitshow for the last 2 years. Messi papering over the cracks and winning titles almost on his own, coupled with RM and Atletico being poor in La Liga, does not make keeping Valverde justifiable.
Couldn't agree more.
Goodbye?
Time to part ways. The man is wasting Griezmann on the wing and cannot get any results consistently without Messi.
Away form is atrocious
Away form is atrocious
One of the biggest frauds of a manager in the past decade.
Messi has carried him to 2 La Liga titles and a Copa Del Rey.
Messi has carried him to 2 La Liga titles and a Copa Del Rey.
Should have been sacked after losing to Liverpool
Didn’t people defend him at one point?
Messi wants him to stay.
The dressing room wants him to stay
He's not going anywhere.
The dressing room wants him to stay
He's not going anywhere.
Watford had more shots on goal than Barca..
Spanish David Moyes, with the slight difference of having Messi.
How he survived Liverpool drubbing I'll never know. And now the misery continues.
Keep him there.
No, why would you want that?
Madrid are struggling, Bayern are hardly pulling up trees and PSG always bottle it.
Unless you want a City or Liverpool champions league win we need these big teams to rise. Barca if they get their act together have a good enough team to win it especially if they get a coach who can hold on to 3-0 leads.
True, actually.
I really doubt he will last the whole season.
Totally. Gonna be a race between him and Zidane as to who goes first.
I've never been a big critic of the guy but I think his time is done. He consistently gets his tactics and decisions wrong.
He's played De Jong on the left wing in two matches, he's played Griezmann on the left and right wing in the three matches Suarez has started, he can not stop playing Roberto for some bizarre reason and he criminally under utilizes Arthur. If they maintain their away form, I don't see him lasting much longer. Messi returning though, may just save him yet again.
He's played De Jong on the left wing in two matches, he's played Griezmann on the left and right wing in the three matches Suarez has started, he can not stop playing Roberto for some bizarre reason and he criminally under utilizes Arthur. If they maintain their away form, I don't see him lasting much longer. Messi returning though, may just save him yet again.
Don't want to be the "going against the grain for the sake of it" guy but Barca's issues run deeper than him and the next coach won't do better, I'm sure of that. The entire team is finished bar few players: Suarez, Pique, Busquets, Rakitic, Alba all over 30. Semedo and Roberto decent squad players but nothing more. You could bin everyone bar Messi, Arthur, De Jong, ter Stegen at this point.
If Dembélé miraculously stays healthy from now on, Griezmann is put into the middle alongside a more match fit Messi with De Jong and Arthur behind them then Barca could click later on in the season but even that is a big if. Griezmann is not a striker who fits playing alongside Messi IMO and Dembélé would have to step up big time.
Early into the season of course but forget Real and Barca in the CL this season IMO. Would be surprised if one of City/Liverpool don't win it (again).
If Dembélé miraculously stays healthy from now on, Griezmann is put into the middle alongside a more match fit Messi with De Jong and Arthur behind them then Barca could click later on in the season but even that is a big if. Griezmann is not a striker who fits playing alongside Messi IMO and Dembélé would have to step up big time.
Early into the season of course but forget Real and Barca in the CL this season IMO. Would be surprised if one of City/Liverpool don't win it (again).
This 100%
This guy is worse than Ole, if that's even possible.
Maybe poch would go there
Madrid is the more likely next destination considering his Espanyol connection.Maybe poch would go there
Poch said he would never manage Barca and that he has great admiration for Real Madrid.
Sure, people in football break promises like that all the time, but Poch doesn't seem like that kind of guy in my view.
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We should have got Pochettino. This club never learns.Maybe poch would go there
And now we are stuck with a manager who is a passion/history merchant.
I have said this before, but City will get to 21 titles before we get to 21.
Griezmann won't play in the center as long as Valverde is there because he doesn't have the guts to bench Suarez, it is that simple. He keeps fielding every senior player regardless of their form.
It was painfully clear to everyone last summer that his second season was worse than the first, and that in turn his third will be worse than the second (to everyone except Bartomeu that is). Up to now the redeeming factor was at least a solid point haul in the league, and with that gone there's nothing left. Now when they inevitably sack him when things reach freefall state (and they will have to if push comes to shove) you'll be left with a wasted season and no serious candidates willing to take over before the summer. Top management from their board, if they were paid to sabotage the club I don't think they could have done a better job.
Barcaforum has been great for a long time now for utter meltdowns because of this guy. Their main Valverde thread is called simply 'Retardo' and here's a few quotes from there tonight:
Outrageous.
Bartomeu knew it in May: the 2018 double and the 2019 Liga were Messi's. The consecutive UCL disaster and the final de Copa vs Valencis were more than enough to sack the guy; but no, Uncle Ernie is still the manager of one of the Top5 Clubs Worldwide.
It's going to take a trophyless season to sack him, and by then an angry Messi will be seeking the blood of a higher villian: Barto himself.
Bartomeu knew it in May: the 2018 double and the 2019 Liga were Messi's. The consecutive UCL disaster and the final de Copa vs Valencis were more than enough to sack the guy; but no, Uncle Ernie is still the manager of one of the Top5 Clubs Worldwide.
It's going to take a trophyless season to sack him, and by then an angry Messi will be seeking the blood of a higher villian: Barto himself.
I just saw last night's result. How this cartoon is manager of Barcelona is beyond me. He's rode on the back of Messi to domestic success but after their frailties in Europe, the tumescent nature of their football (individual quality aside), useless start to his season (and without Messi in general), he really should not be at Barcelona given the talent they have at their disposal.Also, the fans should boot their president as well. Their transfer policy in recent times has been dreadful. Griezemann is a terrific player but they clearly needed more explosive players in that team.
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We should have got Pochettino. This club never learns.
And now we are stuck with a manager who is a passion/history merchant.
I have said this before, but City will get to 21 titles before we get to 21.
Specially after Roma the year before. Twice the same exit in the same fashion
We should have got Pochettino. This club never learns.
And now we are stuck with a manager who is a passion/history merchant.
I have said this before, but City will get to 21 titles before we get to 21.
There were plenty of United fans who wanted the club to fail reaching top 4 just to see the back of Mourinho.
Liverpool are a better bet.We should have got Pochettino. This club never learns.
And now we are stuck with a manager who is a passion/history merchant.
I have said this before, but City will get to 21 titles before we get to 21.
Barcelona are not strangers to playing very poorly abroad. You've mentioned Anfield and Rome, but I can add 3-0 Turin and the 4-0 in Paris (both under Luis Enrique). A team that consistently melts down abroad in the CL has got deeper issues than just the coach.
Still, Valverde is a coward and I cannot believe Barcelona have managed to waste Messi's prime and only win 3 CL with him whilst Madrid managed to get 4 with Ronaldo in a much shorter time period.
United fans aren't immune from being stupid
Well most people start supporting a team because they fall in love presumably with their style of play, so they get disenchanted when they play like shit.
Down to the lucky and undeserved result in the home leg
The truth is barring a few games here and there, barcelona haven't been a top top side since February 2016
And Valverde looks out of his depths here