Chasing down the GK.

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What's the point of that tactic?

Chasing down the GK to force him to scramble the ball for throw ins or directly giving the ball back to us. I mean, I can see what they are going for, but is it worth the amount of sprints from lone lone strikers?

Today we saw Rashford mindlessly chasing down the GK, I didn't even remember West Ham players trying to do the same.

In the end, the tactic put too much strain on Rashford's muscles and he went down injured.

Is it mindless or effective?
 

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Might be semi effective against a keeper with absolutely zero footballing skills. These days most premkeepers can pass a ball as well as most league 1 outfield players. Total waste of energy.
 

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Like all pressing, it needs to be done in gang form. Not just one guy wasting energy sprinting on his own.

Otherwise it's one of those mad tactics, like passing it around aimlessly to keep the ball, going to your keeper, who then launches long anyway.

Or like a corner we took today, taking it quickly, and then wasting it, without even putting a ball in.
 

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Because the players have been to run and press without proper guidance on how to do it.

Like what's the tactic behind our pressing. What exactly are we trying to get the opposition to do? It has to be a bit more sophisticated than just win the ball back
 

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Kane always does it and tbh now more than ever, with keepers playing it out from the back, it is important keeping a team from relaxing. the important thing, as has been said it needs to be done as a team so as well as the keeper being pressed all passing options need to be covered for it to be effective.
 

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What's the point of that tactic?

Chasing down the GK to force him to scramble the ball for throw ins or directly giving the ball back to us. I mean, I can see what they are going for, but is it worth the amount of sprints from lone lone strikers?

Today we saw Rashford mindlessly chasing down the GK, I didn't even remember West Ham players trying to do the same.

In the end, the tactic put too much strain on Rashford's muscles and he went down injured.

Is it mindless or effective?
It's just bravado to say 'hey look at me, I'm making the effort'
 

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It sometimes works to provoke an error and sneak in a goal.
 

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It's an essential part of ball retention and very effective if done properly. If you're the one pressing the keeper and the rest of your team is just standing there, it's pointless.
 

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If you are loosing the game, unless you press the opposition GK, he will hold the ball "forever".

If the opposition GK sucks with his feet it also forces him to concede possession.
 

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We use it a lot to good effect to force keepers into poor long passes and win possession that way.
 

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Any tactic or effort is mindless when it's not done as a team. Pressing CB is mindless too if other players don't block the passing lane.

When your striker press the GK, other players should also close down the passing options which means GK will go for long kick. It's a good way to win the possession.
 

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It's just bravado to say 'hey look at me, I'm making the effort'
Generally you're right but against WHUM sadly it was needed as their keeper was wasting time as soon as they scored

For the record, we don't actually do any real pressing. Running after the ball isn't pressing, it's about luring the ball into a certain area where you can cut of passing lanes to pressure a mistake and usually involves 2-3 players - with us we have some headless chickens who sprint around alone and then, even if they did win the ball back, they'd be isolated.
 

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Any tactic or effort is mindless when it's not done as a team. Pressing CB is mindless too if other players don't block the passing lane.

When your striker press the GK, other players should also close down the passing options which means GK will go for long kick. It's a good way to win the possession.
All the basic principles of proper team pressing and zonal defending was invented by Arrigo Sacchi's genius. One would thought that strategies invented decades ago would be something "easy" to implement at higher level.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-how-arrigo-sacchis-ac-milan-took-down-europe
 

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It's an essential part of ball retention and very effective if done properly. If you're the one pressing the keeper and the rest of your team is just standing there, it's pointless.
This.
 

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I don't mind it if the entire team is pressing forward and as a result of this the ball goes back to the keeper, and as part of the final press forward the striker presses the goalkeeper.

What I do mind, is Rashford sprinting flat out from 50 yards away towards the goalkeeper who has all the time in the world to pick a pass out, meaning Rashford has just wasted energy on a totally pointless sprint. It was annoying the absolute feck out of me yesterday. Save your energy for when we win the ball back, or do it when the entire team is pressing forward.
 

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Yeah I understand it is to make the GK fumbles and forcing mistakes...but most of the times, I see it as a waste of energy for the forwards.

There were times when we had Berba and Rooney, they didn't need to make this kind of run, same as for RVP.

Rashford in the other hand, oh boy. How many 100m sprints he made last night? Headless chicken.
 

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Lots of people are very impressed by the headless chicken act and looking busy gets many players a pass in the eyes of some fans.
 

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Its worth doing when the opposition defence is quite deep and you can press them all in numbers, it means they cant pass it out easily and have to take a risky long pass or make a mistake.

Its a complete waste of time and energy the way Rashford does it where everyone else is miles away. The ball is going long anyway.
 

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Logically it works only if the team presses as a unit. No point going solo but when you're chasing a game you don't want a team to settle passing across the back so obviously it's a valid tactic. Nothing to do with being British as some idiot mentioned earlier.
 

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Kane always does it and tbh now more than ever, with keepers playing it out from the back, it is important keeping a team from relaxing. the important thing, as has been said it needs to be done as a team so as well as the keeper being pressed all passing options need to be covered for it to be effective.
Aye, when combined with the closure off the keeper's passing options charging him can be very effective in turning the ball over, otherwise then chances of it working for you are slim.
 

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It absolutely needs to be done if your team is losing, specially if you're the bigger club and the result is an upset.
 

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If you're losing and you don't hurry the goalkeeper, he can just keep the ball at his feet until someone does start to approach him to sap away some time and take the sting out of the game. For me, it's crucial for maintaining pressure when you need a goal and the other team is just trying to see out the game with the score as it is.

The chances of getting the ball back in good positions (and possibly scoring from them) are slim, though it does happen, but it does increase your chances of getting possession back in some capacity. You have to be smart about it, press as a unit (i.e. don't just chase the ball, but cut off passing options), pick your opportunities. Don't try and do it all game every game, otherwise you're going to run out of gas and likely get injured. We seem go against all of that.
 

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Surely the main point is to pressure into a clearance rather than a decent long ball, meaning more chance of getting possession back? Plus stopping time wasting.
 

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Yeah I understand it is to make the GK fumbles and forcing mistakes...but most of the times, I see it as a waste of energy for the forwards.

There were times when we had Berba and Rooney, they didn't need to make this kind of run, same as for RVP.

Rashford in the other hand, oh boy. How many 100m sprints he made last night? Headless chicken.
We were usually winning the game and had no need to rush the keeper.
 

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It's an essential part of ball retention and very effective if done properly. If you're the one pressing the keeper and the rest of your team is just standing there, it's pointless.
We use it a lot to good effect to force keepers into poor long passes and win possession that way.
The Liverpool fans get it because they see their team do it effectively.

Unfortunately we are much less adept at it, subsequently you have posts like the OP and others who are making fun of it as pashun when it should be part of proper pressing
 

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Rashford has always done it and been good at it, it’s not the reason he got injured.
 

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Many good reasons to do it. Often hurrying the keeper leads to winning the ball back in midfield after a poorly aimed kick.