Serge Gnabry | Bayern player

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"If we just sign a defender we can challenge for top 4". Maguire signed. Issues remain. Our problems go beyond having all positions covered with top quality players. City won the 17/18 league using Delph as a fullback in plenty of games, and improvising on the midfield and defense because they had problems with injuries, and they made 100 pts.

Without creating a unit within the squad and the team, there are no miracles.
Maybe you quoted wrong post?
 

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He may have made the perfect decision but Arsenal certainly didn't

Whether there's extenuating circumstances or not Arsenal are looking like mugs right now, just like Chelsea do when you remember they had Salah and De Bruyne on their books
How are Arsenal looking like mugs when we rated him highly, played him every chance we got, and didn't want him to leave. He didn't want to extend his contract when Bayern came knocking. It's no different from Sanchez, Ramsey but at the start of their careers. It can't be compared with Salah, De Bruyne because Chelsea willingly let them go while we had our hands forced.
 

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How are Arsenal looking like mugs when we rated him highly, played him every chance we got, and didn't want him to leave. He didn't want to extend his contract when Bayern came knocking. It's no different from Sanchez, Ramsey but at the start of their careers. It can't be compared with Salah, De Bruyne because Chelsea willingly let them go while we had our hands forced.
Because you had a player who now plays for Bayern and is better than the 72m winger you bought this past summer :lol:
 

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What a player Gnabry is. I knew he was very talented, but his performance against Spurs blew my mind.
 

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Its just another player Arsenal failed to identify and make the most of. They've let go of some quality players over the years, seasoned and hidden gems and failed to properly devote the time and match experience to them. Another which strikes the mind as a young prospect they should not have let go was Carlos Vela. He managed to make an excellent career for himself in La Liga, and given Wenger was known for improving players, if he'd just had the same level of love and care that the dead-end Theo Walcott was given, I have no doubt he'd have been a premier league great for Arsenal.
 

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How are Arsenal looking like mugs when we rated him highly, played him every chance we got, and didn't want him to leave. He didn't want to extend his contract when Bayern came knocking. It's no different from Sanchez, Ramsey but at the start of their careers. It can't be compared with Salah, De Bruyne because Chelsea willingly let them go while we had our hands forced.
Maybe the TM db is wrong, but according to them he played a total of less than 900 minutes over the years and had his last first team appearance at the beginning of 2014, more than two years before he left.
 

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Maybe the TM db is wrong, but according to them he played a total of less than 900 minutes over the years and had his last first team appearance at the beginning of 2014, more than two years before he left.
14-15 he was injured. 15-16 he was loaned to West Brom but they didn't play him, so he was recalled in January. Wenger believed that we were in the title race so he wasn't really played, but he definitely didn't want to sell him. His talent was evident to all but Tony fecking Pulis. Here's a video of him bossing Tottenham at 19
 

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How are Arsenal looking like mugs when we rated him highly, played him every chance we got, and didn't want him to leave. He didn't want to extend his contract when Bayern came knocking. It's no different from Sanchez, Ramsey but at the start of their careers. It can't be compared with Salah, De Bruyne because Chelsea willingly let them go while we had our hands forced.
Because of the injury you did not give him chances in the first team anymore. You had new toys from the youth department. Gnabry in 2016 did not see the chance of much playing time - and he knew that he still needed time for his development as he had lost 2 years. The Arsenal bench or the U-team would not have been that stepstone. In the Olympic games he showed how good he could get - especially he showed a big mentality scoring decisive goals. Bayern did not even go big risks as Gnabry in Bremen got the right team to develop. And a year later decided himself that he still needed to make another step by wanting a loan to Hoffenheim.
 

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People in this thread laughing as though they always knew he'd turn out to be class.
 

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People in this thread laughing as though they always knew he'd turn out to be class.
It's not even that Gnaby is an established world class players, he just had a potentially once in a lifetime game.
 

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Its just another player Arsenal failed to identify and make the most of. They've let go of some quality players over the years, seasoned and hidden gems and failed to properly devote the time and match experience to them. Another which strikes the mind as a young prospect they should not have let go was Carlos Vela. He managed to make an excellent career for himself in La Liga, and given Wenger was known for improving players, if he'd just had the same level of love and care that the dead-end Theo Walcott was given, I have no doubt he'd have been a premier league great for Arsenal.
Some players need to move to reach higher levels and fulfill their talents. Gnabry was highly regarded here but after his injury his confidence was shot and he didn't have much time to run on his contract IIRC. So a decision was made to sell him as he wanted a new challenge and wanted to leave. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but he was given a fair chance here but things just weren't meant to be.

Vela was never gonna make it in this league, the league was too physical and quick for him. I think the game in Spain much suited his talents and he did well out there.

He may have made the perfect decision but Arsenal certainly didn't

Whether there's extenuating circumstances or not Arsenal are looking like mugs right now, just like Chelsea do when you remember they had Salah and De Bruyne on their books
Plenty of talented players don't make it as well, some players need to move to kick on with their career. Working with new coaches and new countries can break some players but make some of them.
 

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To be fair I do remember Arsenal fans complaining when he was sold so it's hardly an impetus to indicate he slipped through the club's hands. More like a lack of vision / implementation from Wenger. We in essence had a similar situation when Pogba left for Juve. City have let Sancho go and potentially with lack of game time Foden could follow suit.
 

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It's not even that Gnaby is an established world class players, he just had a potentially once in a lifetime game.
Nothing to do with the fact that he's been really good for a while now then.
 

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Nothing to do with the fact that he's been really good for a while now then.
It doesn't. This thread and the Januzaj vs Gnabry thread got bumped after the Spurs game. Last post was in June 2017, nobody here cared about him being really good for a while.
 

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OK, everyone that watched the Bundesliga, cus he was good at Bremen.

Klopp wanted him at Dortmund that summer but Mourinho blocked that transfer and promised de Bruyne he was in his plans for the seaon which obviously was a lie. De Bruyne was desperate to leave in winter and took the first deal he got from a team willing to pay Chelsea's demands. That's why he ended up at Wolfsburg.
so, not really everyone except Jose, then?
 

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https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/09/arse...ulated-serge-gnabry-leaving-arsenal-10890793/
‘We tried to extend his contract for a very long time and I think that Bayern manipulated behind the scenes, that if he went to Bremen he would join Bayern after,’ Wenger told beIN Sports.
‘He was always a very talented boy who lacked confidence in some stages, but we always thought we had a player who could achieve a lot.
‘He came back from a very bad experience on loan at West Brom where his confidence was destroyed. I tried to rebuild him because I believed in him.’
 

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It was shady as f*ck, Bayern definitely paid Werder Bremen for "their" transfer. Why on earth would Bremen insert a clause that give a player the power to leave after one season if he wants to ? Bayern held all the cards and got their man.
The transfer even was reported like this from the start from several sources, going to Bayern with a one season stop at Bremen.
As for the bolded, I'd say it's actually very simple for smaller clubs when after high profile talents: accept the clause and get the one season, or get none at all. In Gnabry's case you can assume that money flowing from Bayern to Bremen was involved too.
 

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Read on the telegraph that he's now in a very exclusive club of players who have scored four goals against an english club in a single CL game; it consists of him and Messi. ^^
Did Arshavin score four against Liverpool in the CL or was it a Premier League game?
 

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Great overcommitment from Rojo. Gnabry's 10th goal in 11 games for Germany.
 

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The transfer even was reported like this from the start from several sources, going to Bayern with a one season stop at Bremen.
As for the bolded, I'd say it's actually very simple for smaller clubs when after high profile talents: accept the clause and get the one season, or get none at all. In Gnabry's case you can assume that money flowing from Bayern to Bremen was involved too.
Agree
It was shady as f*ck, Bayern definitely paid Werder Bremen for "their" transfer. Why on earth would Bremen insert a clause that give a player the power to leave after one season if he wants to ? Bayern held all the cards and got their man.
No, it wasn't shady. It was open knowledge that Bayern was his eventual destination. Whats more interesting to me is Wenger's comments about how hard he tried to retain him. Like I said earlier in the thread Gnabry's talent was evident, and we did all we could to keep him. But if Bayern get involved for a german talent, there's only going to be one winner. Its unfair to compare him to Salah, or De Bruyne's cases where Chelsea simply weren't aware that the players they were letting go were as good as they turned out to be.
 

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One goal, one assist. Even if he doesn't do anything anymore for the rest of the game, he already did his part.
 

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No, it wasn't shady. It was open knowledge that Bayern was his eventual destination. Whats more interesting to me is Wenger's comments about how hard he tried to retain him. Like I said earlier in the thread Gnabry's talent was evident, and we did all we could to keep him. But if Bayern get involved for a german talent, there's only going to be one winner. Its unfair to compare him to Salah, or De Bruyne's cases where Chelsea simply weren't aware that the players they were letting go were as good as they turned out to be.
It's similar to the way agents parked players in Monaco. Meddling with a third club, who knows from the start they are not keeping the player, to avoid paying the asking price is shady to me. The fact that it's open knowledge doesn't make it right.
 

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He's been massive this season hasn't he?

Everytime I check results, he's on the scoreboard.

22 games and 23 G+A if I'm not mistaken.
 

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He's been massive this season hasn't he?

Everytime I check results, he's on the scoreboard.

22 games and 23 G+A if I'm not mistaken.
15 in 17 according to transfermarkt though that's still damn great.
 

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15 in 17 according to transfermarkt though that's still damn great.
Maybe he's including Germany matches this season as well.

He's certainly improved this season, playing much better than I thought he could. Really hope he carries on this form into Euro 2020, would be a massive player for Germany.
 

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What a player, still find it hilarious Arsenal had him and back then he just looked like another Iwobi
 

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He'd be an insane tranfer for any PL club at this point, simply due to him seemingly destroying all London sides he plays against.
 

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Crazy what a change of environment can do for you. I genuinely don’t recall him ever looking anything special when he was at Arsenal.