I simply cant see a Jose / Levy partnership working. Jose spunking 10s of millions on players then ignoring them isn't really Levy's style of running a club. Also brining every last press conference back to transfers, or the lack of them wouldn't go down very well. Of course if he has turned over a new leaf I wouldn't be opposed to it, might not really believe him how ever.I suppose we dont need to ask you your thoughts on the subject?
2019/20 Rivals - Spurs | Bergwijn out for the remainder of the season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
What squad? 3 of them will be leaving in less than 12 months, 1 of them has wanted out for the best part of 3 years now, they dont have a RB, GK needs replacing. Mourinho going in there now with the same funds Poch has had to put up with is only going to end one way
We've basically been a mid-table side form wise for a solid 8 months or so now. Why do people insist on using the word 'already' as if we haven't been pretty shit for a while, bar a cup run.
Loads of managers will come. Not top tier ones but ones on a similar level to Poch when he first came, i.e up and comers. We spent 110 million in this transfer window and any manager would probably get that or more for the next couple of windows in order to reshape the squad. Pochettino doesn't want to be here any longer and keeping him on when he's constantly making shit little comments in the press and looking miserable is pointless. We might as well rip the thorn out and get the rebuild started under a new man.
I mean for feck sake we just conceded 7 at home, to a team who are good but haven't been truly elite in years. Clearly something is very wrong with the club and Poch has made it so clear recently that he isn't really up for staying and starting another project, we'd be mental to keep him at the helm long term.
Obviously the squad they have right now? I'm not factoring them pissing off am I, that changes things drastically. I'd also be expecting them to pull their finger out and perform to their potential and not the current shite they're delivering. It's hypothetical.
From our squad I think: Ndombele, Kane, Son, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Winks, Lloris and Moura, Alli, Vertonghen all range from high potential (at least shown in the past, I think it's hard to tell currently .. see Trippier), all the way to world class with Kane. The likes of Sissoko, Rose, Lamela etc are all decent squad players too.
A couple of those are ageing (lloris, vertonghen) but in the right system can still do a good job and are hardly ancient. Players like toby/eriksen obviously want to go so I haven't included them. I also haven't included Lo Celso who has been injured so we haven't really seen him, but he was a 55m investment and was quality in La Liga.
So there's still a handful of players there to form a really decent team, with investment clearly needed in terms of the back 4. It's hardly a team that totally lacks talent.
I would pay to be in a room watching Jose telling Levy he wants to pump 50m into WillianSome Spurs fans saying we should get Jose.....
Yeah we nearly signed him for less in 2013
.It’s highly admirable how competitive they have been in recent years given what they’ve spent but this side looks it’s coming to an end of an era and I doubt they’ll be able to repeat this for a long while.
Should go all out for a league or FA Cup so they can at least say they won something from it.
Should go all out for a league or FA Cup so they can at least say they won something from it.
It appears right now this would be Spurs XI next season
----------Lloris----------
KWP--Foyth--Sanchez--Rose
-----Winks---Sissoko-----
Son-----NDombele-----Alli
----------Kane----------
Still with the question marks over the GK, RB and LB. I didn't even mention how shit Alli is now earlier either. I guess you could include Lo Celso in the above but like you said he hasn't played and unless the current loan includes an obligation to buy you may still send him back
I dont disagree it's still a good looking side, it's just not one Mourinho would do 'great things' with which is what was said
If Eriksen leaves there's no way he won't be replaced with someone like Fernandes next season. And there's no way we would go in to next season with foyth/sanchez as our starting fullbacks, or without any new fullbacks sign.
Any new manager would get solid resources in order to replace the players going, and a bit on top. That would be our lineup if everyone left and wasn't replaced.
You say that but you hardly got the level of investment you hoped this past summer, what's going to change moving forward?
We spent like 130 odd mill this transfer window if you include the Lo Celso buy in, and the only 'key' player we lost was Trippier.
If Eriksen/Toby go they will definitely be replaced. And a new manager would come request he be backed in the market, I'd imagine.
I generally agree with you, but even if spurs spends big again next summer (a big if, considering that NDombele and Lo Celso only came in after a big champions league run and a summer of no signings) the new players would still need to bed in after likely coming from a different league.
I think Spurs can compete for 4th next year even with a mass exodus, but chances are they don't get it, which would only further limit their spending.
We'd be losing the wages of Toby and Eriksen, and there's no way we would allow two key players to leave without being replaced. We pushed hard for Dybala at the end of the last window so there's money for the club to spend.
Our current squad playing to their actual level and we're more than capable of making third this season. A lot of our players are performing well below their level and the system isn't bringing out the best of them. It's not like the other top 4 contenders are some great shakes we should be afraid of, we've been dreadful this season yet are 3 points off 3rd.
Yes but Toby and Eriksen are currently paid in buttons. The salary freed up won’t be enough to pay a single top class recruit.
Well over 165k between them, and we were putting massive contracts on the table for both that will now be freed up to instead offer to new recruits. Eriksen was getting offered 200k.
Our wage structure is clearly changing a bit with the new stadium, Ndombele was giving a pretty tasty deal. We're willing to offer big money for players that we think are potentially top class.
I googled it and one source says 60k/week and two others that he's on par with Kane at 200k. I think he's a potentially good midfielder to build on but 200k ?!
He seemed to be on 60/70k at Lyon and Spurs more than doubled his wages on top of the 60/70M fee ?
Spurs fans bored of progressive attacking football, want those sweet 0-0 draws or a rollocking action packed 1-0 win/loss. With 6 defenders on the field at any given moment.Some Spurs fans saying we should get Jose.....
Well 200k is their cap for players. If Ndombele wants more I guess he moves somewhere else?I googled it and one source says 60k/week and two others that he's on par with Kane at 200k. I think he's a potentially good midfielder to build on but 200k ?!
He seemed to be on 60/70k at Lyon and Spurs more than doubled his wages on top of the 60/70M fee ?
I said it in the Pochettino thread but Spurs are the new Arsenal under Wenger. Levy/the board happy with qualifying for that CL money train, results don't matter as long as this is one requirement is met. Cups, trophies? The only ones that care are the fans(they dont count). And the Spurs fans are parading around with pitch forks moaning about 'Pochettino out', I think as long as he is making CL Levy/the board will be happy to keep him on. He could well pack up his bags for sunny RM when they sack ZZ though.
Be interested to see who Spurs go for if it does happen. Im guessing he has until the next xfer window to right the ship and quell the unwashed Spurs masses ire.
He was £53.8m.I googled it and one source says 60k/week and two others that he's on par with Kane at 200k. I think he's a potentially good midfielder to build on but 200k ?!
He seemed to be on 60/70k at Lyon and Spurs more than doubled his wages on top of the 60/70M fee ?
Ndombele was one of the biggest young midfield talents out there when we signed him, and Pochettino seemed to really want him. I guess the club made him a serious priority, and when you're going for some of the bigger talents out there now, that kind of wage is probably the norm. In the near future I think our wage structure will completely change, and I expect in the next 1-2 seasons Ndombele will also be one of the first names on the team sheet and prove he's totally worth that kind of money.
Been really impressed by him thus far in a really dysfunctional side. His passing and ball carrying is fantastic, the talent is so obvious but we're weirdly expecting him to be a DM which isn't working. Against Bayern I thought he was our best player and he carved them open a couple of times, but his big issue seems to be fitness as he fades in the second half. But our current system demands a lot of running from our central midfielders, so this doesn't really surprise me.
We haven't played 'progressive attacking football' in ages.
So what is actually going on at Spurs behind the scenes? Clearly something is up, you have been in terrible form for a while now. All this talk of unrest, Sissoko coming out in the media not agreeing with Pochettino's tactics. Trippier citing behind the scenes issues for his departure?
Fair enough, i just didn't associate Spurs with those kind of figures. I still think you have a hell of a task this summer to keep yourself in the top 4 once you lose Eriksen and your 2 CB. Hopefully for you Lo Celso can prove to be the right buy but i'm still not sold on him.
Based on?
The latest odds to be the next Spurs manager has Mourinho & Brendan Rogers as joint favourites. Seem weird why Rogers would want to come being where he is at with project Leicester, who I wouldn't be surprised to see come 3rd this season. Interestingly Zidane is 20-1. Perhaps him & Poch will swap.
Imagine JM having transfer window like MP, without transfer ban and not getting anyone in. He would self implode.
Cant see Rodgers leaving, can't see Jose coming without a cheque book, cant see ZZ either.
Yeah would take a massive change of heart and "philosophy" for it to happen.
Nobody really knows anything about Lo Celso in the Prem yet. All we know is he was fantastic in La Liga.
But as far as I’m concerned there’s no way he can be worse than some of the players right now, especially a completely not arsed Eriksen.
IMO Poch doesn’t really want to be here but has kinda stayed because no big jobs came available for him. His project has run its course and I believe he really, really wanted to win the CL final and get a heroes goodbye, rather than stay on.
Failure to do so has seen him lose motivation. He’s mostly looking miserable and moaning, and that has seeped down to the players. Key members of the team view this as the end of a project so are half arsing it while they wait to get huge money moving on a free. He’s failing to stop that rot and failing to innovate or change, going with the same approach constantly and making the same errors.
Everything to me screams that the Poch era has gone stale. We need a new manager with new ideas, and a squad rebuild which needs to be well funded by the club. Still have the solid basis for a good core - a world class striker doesn’t hurt - but the defence needs ripping up and starting again.
Trippier situation is a joke. I said about a million times on here in the summer that he needed replacing, but for some bizarre reason the club left us with Aurier/KWP. Whether that was a Poch choice or the club, it’s shit decision making at its finest.
Still think Spurs have some fantastic attacking players. Midfield is work in progress. Ndombele has been hit and miss so far but think in long term he'll be fantastic in premier league. Lo Celso was great at Betis. Don't know how effective he'll be with pace of premier league though.
Problems at the back surely? What on earth went on with the full back situation? Yes Trippier had a poor season and was quickly sold but I assumed you'd replace him with someone new. Instead relied on existing options. Aurier is completel lunatic who can't be trusted in high pressure situaitons. KWP dosen't look good enough yet and Foyth is just a CB playing there and gets burned for pace. At left back weren't you going to sell Danny Rose to Watford? He didn't want to go and back to being first choice.
Add in Sanchez costing you a few goals this season when he's played at CB and this is where opposition teams are really targeting Spurs now. Playing the long ball against them makes lots of sense this season.
Problems at the back surely? What on earth went on with the full back situation? Yes Trippier had a poor season and was quickly sold but I assumed you'd replace him with someone new. Instead relied on existing options. Aurier is completel lunatic who can't be trusted in high pressure situaitons. KWP dosen't look good enough yet and Foyth is just a CB playing there and gets burned for pace. At left back weren't you going to sell Danny Rose to Watford? He didn't want to go and back to being first choice.
Add in Sanchez costing you a few goals this season when he's played at CB and this is where opposition teams are really targeting Spurs now. Playing the long ball against them makes lots of sense this season.
His time with PSG where he did have some good games but was still lacking something. I didn't watch any Betis games but saw he had a He's still pretty young though, he could become a star.
Is this the end of Spurs as we know it?
Will they turn it around?
Will Glaston take up permanent residence in New Delhi?
Will they turn it around?
Will Glaston take up permanent residence in New Delhi?
Still, think Levy is the main culprit of this mess. Now they almost have no choice but to sack Pochettino. At the same time, I think he still has them playing to their maximum potential, and the results will not get better in time. A new manager might save their season only if they spend a ton in January, which notoriously is a hard window to do business in.
I think the next 3 games after the international break will be crucial and he has a bit of time during the break to bring some new ideas.
As a Chelsea fan, though, I'm loving it. This meltdown is very welcome as we still are finding our feet and there is a lot of competition for the top 4 places.
I think the next 3 games after the international break will be crucial and he has a bit of time during the break to bring some new ideas.
As a Chelsea fan, though, I'm loving it. This meltdown is very welcome as we still are finding our feet and there is a lot of competition for the top 4 places.
Today was a game Spurs just couldn't lose. You can't ship 7 goals at home and not have a reaction in the next game, just get a draw if nothing else
Very very worrying times for Spurs now
Very very worrying times for Spurs now
The Liverpool result has properly spoiled my mood, enough that I don't even want to laugh at Spurs anymore.
And after tomorrow's game, it will hit rock bottom.
And after tomorrow's game, it will hit rock bottom.
I honestly don't know what I would do if I was in charge at Spurs. Poch might be able to turn things around but that team today just didn't look up for it, at all. And the next month is full of important away fixtures that are going to require real commitment from the squad.
If they split with Red Star (lose away, win home), they're going to need either a result away to Bayern or Red Star not to beat Olympiakos away (which Red Star is quite likely not to do, but still) to advance in the CL. Getting some kind of result away to Red Star is pretty important.
They have Watford, @Liverpool, @everton in the league. If they only get 3-4 points out of that, they're likely to be 6-8 points behind some other clubs in the race for 3rd/4th.
If they split with Red Star (lose away, win home), they're going to need either a result away to Bayern or Red Star not to beat Olympiakos away (which Red Star is quite likely not to do, but still) to advance in the CL. Getting some kind of result away to Red Star is pretty important.
They have Watford, @Liverpool, @everton in the league. If they only get 3-4 points out of that, they're likely to be 6-8 points behind some other clubs in the race for 3rd/4th.
I watched my local boys draw 3-3 in the 93rd min with a pen, after originally coming back from 2-0 down!
And that bloody Liverpool game still took the mood away!
It is great to see Spurs in a mess like us though.
They've had years of so many late goals and getting away with results, it's time it all went tiddies up
Every time I see them I have flashbacks to the season we had in 2010/2011.
Everything looks completely stagnant. Whenever a rival is playing in another game and are losing I'm always paranoid they will come back but today I knew Spurs were fecked after about 15 minutes, just couldn't see where a chance was coming from let alone a goal.
Everything looks completely stagnant. Whenever a rival is playing in another game and are losing I'm always paranoid they will come back but today I knew Spurs were fecked after about 15 minutes, just couldn't see where a chance was coming from let alone a goal.
Still a far better season than United