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I still think he's better than Lindelof. We downgraded for no good reason
I agree, in hindsight we should have kept LVG. It was starting to come together towards the end, I think Rashford and Martial would have also developed better under him too.I'm very much a Jose fan, even after the mess here, but yup... Really a shame we let blind go.
I have so much hindsight remorse thinking about how our team might look had we kept LVG and signed Mane along with the other attacking players he wanted.
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Martial - Depay - Mane
Bah. Just nonsense as result of trauma from the recent ongoing
Best post Fergie manager we had and one that actually fit in with the ethos of United. He just didn't get to implement his attacking play correctly because quite frankly he didn't have enough attacking talent to play with and he didn't get time to bring them in. Although you have to say he did massively balls up ADMI agree, in hindsight we should have kept LVG. It was starting to come together towards the end, I think Rashford and Martial would have also developed better under him too.
I agree, he actually played the youth and didn't just give it lip service. I think personnel did let him down in the end. I hope we can get a modern version of LVG as our next coach.Best post Fergie manager we had and one that actually fit in with the ethos of United. He just didn't get to implement his attacking play correctly because quite frankly he didn't have enough attacking talent to play with and he didn't get time to bring them in. Although you have to say he did massively balls up ADM
He had to play with Rooney and Mata as his senior attacking players...
Anyway Blind was excellent and had we given him time I think Depay also would have turned out alright for United. Martial and Rashford and I also think Gomes would have made his way into this side by now.
LVG got Man Utd played possession based football with kids. Too bad the fans had no patience and couldn't see what he was building at the time.I agree, he actually played the youth and didn't just give it lip service. I think personnel did let him down in the end. I hope we can get a modern version of LVG as our next coach.
It's too painful to think about Rashford's progression... At a crucial age he would have been schooled in the art of being a striker in a possession based side. Instead some formative years with Jose meant instead he became the fast break outlet, pace merchant. Dreams of Kluivert turned to Walcott.I agree, in hindsight we should have kept LVG. It was starting to come together towards the end, I think Rashford and Martial would have also developed better under him too.
Nothing weird about it, he got so much hate and mocking from CAF experts on this matter that today when some other manager does it ( that they rate ) suddenly it makes sense.Eh injuries forced his hand with playing youth due to his weird fixation with left footed on the left etc so he couldn't use the likes of Young at LB.
You think using Young at LB is a good thing?Eh injuries forced his hand with playing youth due to his weird fixation with left footed on the left etc so he couldn't use the likes of Young at LB.
CAF experts think they know more about football than LVG.Nothing weird about it, he got so much hate and mocking from CAF experts on this matter that today when some other manager does it ( that they rate ) suddenly it makes sense.
This is trueCAF experts think they know more about football than LVG.
True, but we have injuries now and the current manager isn't playing youth.Eh injuries forced his hand with playing youth due to his weird fixation with left footed on the left etc so he couldn't use the likes of Young at LB.
True unfortunately.LVG got Man Utd played possession based football with kids. Too bad the fans had no patience and couldn't see what he was building at the time.
I still think getting rid of LVG was the downfall, because anyone with a footballing IQ could see there was a plan in place, that was slowly coming together. It obviously would take time, as any unknown philosophy would, but i cant help but imagine where we would be now if we stuck with him and let him continue laying the foundations.True unfortunately.
Yes, that is exactly what I said...You think using Young at LB is a good thing?
When it did start together exactly? If anything it was falling apart.I agree, in hindsight we should have kept LVG. It was starting to come together towards the end, I think Rashford and Martial would have also developed better under him too.
Falling apart? We had some disappointing results for sure but we finished that season level on points with City we missed out on top 4 on goal difference. Jose 3rd season and what we're seeing now under Ole is the definition of falling apart.When it did start together exactly? If anything it was falling apart.
I simply don't get this revisionism. He wasn't building anything. He had a thing going during that run near the end of his 1st season and in the next he scrapped everything and we looked genuinely awful.
Yes, that is exactly what I said...
A lot of revisionism going off here. LVG had us playing the most tumescent, boring and bland football I have ever witnessed.
Second coming now apparently! (I too can put words in mouths)
Exactly, I'd rather shit in my hand and clap rather than watch the tedious shit lvg used to serve upWhen it did start together exactly? If anything it was falling apart.
I simply don't get this revisionism. He wasn't building anything. He had a thing going during that run near the end of his 1st season and in the next he scrapped everything and we looked genuinely awful.
His recruitment was terrible though. We could all see the plan, but when he’s depending on a collection of expensive duds, and then untested youth, to execute it, you get the long stretch of utterly boring shite that we had to endure. Maybe he is the type of manager who would benefit from the type of oversight our fabled DoF would provide. Or maybe he was just past it by the time he got here.I still think getting rid of LVG was the downfall, because anyone with a footballing IQ could see there was a plan in place, that was slowly coming together. It obviously would take time, as any unknown philosophy would, but i cant help but imagine where we would be now if we stuck with him and let him continue laying the foundations.
I mean he went out on an FA cup win, building a youthul side that played head and shoulders above what is out there now, and outperforming the team in several of the seasons since.
This way, we could have recruited a proper mamager to follow in his philosophy and not rush appointing.
We played an awful brand of football and were happy when we had a shot on goal, there was no future with him whatsoever. I know with current state of affairs everything in the past looks better but let's not go overboard.Falling apart? We had some disappointing results for sure but we finished that season level on points with City we missed out on top 4 on goal difference. Jose 3rd season and what we're seeing now under Ole is the definition of falling apart.
The point was, maybe he didn't play Young at LB because he wasn't good at LB. You do realise he did play right footed players at LCB when he had to right.Yes, that is exactly what I said...
A lot of revisionism going off here. LVG had us playing the most tumescent, boring and bland football I have ever witnessed.
Second coming now apparently! (I too can put words in mouths)
Can he play right wing?Daley also became a father lately Another Blind boy in the gang.
We have the benefit of hindsight now but LVG got on my nerves severally when the only justification he had for continuing to play an out-of-form and out-of-shape Rooney was, "my captain must play". I believe I wasn't the only oneBest post Fergie manager we had and one that actually fit in with the ethos of United. He just didn't get to implement his attacking play correctly because quite frankly he didn't have enough attacking talent to play with and he didn't get time to bring them in. Although you have to say he did massively balls up ADM
He had to play with Rooney and Mata as his senior attacking players...
Anyway Blind was excellent and had we given him time I think Depay also would have turned out alright for United. Martial and Rashford and I also think Gomes would have made his way into this side by now.
LVG was not the right manager. But if we'd gotten him in as DOF and had a decent manager brought in that he'd work with then I think we'd be in vastly different position todayWe have the benefit of hindsight now but LVG got on my nerves severally when the only justification he had for continuing to play an out-of-form and out-of-shape Rooney was, "my captain must play". I believe I wasn't the only one
He didn't get time to get attacking players? 2 years wasn't enough?Best post Fergie manager we had and one that actually fit in with the ethos of United. He just didn't get to implement his attacking play correctly because quite frankly he didn't have enough attacking talent to play with and he didn't get time to bring them in. Although you have to say he did massively balls up ADM
He had to play with Rooney and Mata as his senior attacking players...
Anyway Blind was excellent and had we given him time I think Depay also would have turned out alright for United. Martial and Rashford and I also think Gomes would have made his way into this side by now.
LvG did seem to understand the direction the club needed to go in more than anyone and unlike Mou who was surprisingly mellow during his time at United he did give us a bit of that I don't give a feck who you are attitude back. If Di Maria and Falcao hadn't come along I wonder if he could ve had us in a better place for as far as a foundation to work from - similar to what he left at Bayern. Oh well. I'm probably having better memories of that time now than I should.LVG was not the right manager. But if we'd gotten him in as DOF and had a decent manager brought in that he'd work with then I think we'd be in vastly different position today
The fact that you know your preference leads me to believe that you've tried both.Exactly, I'd rather shit in my hand and clap rather than watch the tedious shit lvg used to serve up
He was dreamy, wasn't he?I really liked when he had has man bun too.
Sounds familar to now mate. Did you hear the cheers when Perriera had a shot on target yesterday around the 30 min mark. Our first shot in 120 mins of football.We played an awful brand of football and were happy when we had a shot on goal, there was no future with him whatsoever. I know with current state of affairs everything in the past looks better but let's not go overboard.
I didn't say it doesn't but that's not the theme.Sounds familar to now mate. Did you hear the cheers when Perriera had a shot on target yesterday around the 30 min mark. Our first shot in 120 mins of football.
I know. Hindsight is a wonderful thing heyI didn't say it doesn't but that's not the theme.
Is he playing in midfield? Interesting if he is because I really never rated him there at all.He's been excellent lately.
If personally say his idea of his philosophy was a lot better that the way he deployed it, but I just out this down to his age really. Managers like him can have the right ideas and a philosophy that could stop work but their methods of implementing it just don't work with the current professional player. I think if you mix Jose's attitude with LVG's football tactics then turn have the perfect manager for these timesLvG did seem to understand the direction the club needed to go in more than anyone and unlike Mou who was surprisingly mellow during his time at United he did give us a bit of that I don't give a feck who you are attitude back. If Di Maria and Falcao hadn't come along I wonder if he could ve had us in a better place for as far as a foundation to work from - similar to what he left at Bayern. Oh well. I'm probably having better memories of that time now than I should.
Now I don't think he was a great manager, just the best we have had.He didn't get time to get attacking players? 2 years wasn't enough?
Argument that his ideas was great but didn't have players is strange cause he was the one who had the say what players to buy and he failed big time in that regard among other things.. Its a if grandma had wheels she would be a bus argument. Also best of the bunch is for conversation and another thread. In general just another manager who failed for us.