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Well, play Greenwood than.

Did everyone forgot how Rashford broke through in the first place? It's ridiculous how people thinks Ole is right in persisting with Rashford being utterly useless upfront. We're basically playing with 10 men every game when he's doing feck all the entire time.

He literally can't be worse than Rashford.
So play a 17 yo for every game when we are losing to break his confidence totally?.. Rashford came through when there was a main strikers, Zlatan followed by Lukaku

Nobody seems to be using critical thinking on the Cafe...it's amazing to watch.

Ole has been hung out to dry by negligence. The funniest posts I read is that it's Ole's fault letting Lukaku go and not replacing him. Do you guys honestly think Ole didn't want to replace him? Do you think he wanted to let Herrera go? Had to fight to get Mata a new contract and if he hadn't, it's unlikely he would have been replaced.

Pre season showed what Ole was trying to do with a fully fit squad...from the second game this season we started losing players to injury and no bench to assist. The bench are the 9 players he wanted out...

Its not hard to see why we are in this position. The knee jerkers need to get a grip and look at the bigger picture.

Just to add, DJ wasn't supposed to be a starter ffs!!! People forget he came on as a sub and scored against Chelsea...due to negligence above Ole...he is now first name on the team sheet!! Just shows how badly let down Ole was...
 
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This is Matt Judges intro on his LinkedIn profile, which reveals a lot.
It's worth mentioning that it's Murtough's linkedin profile that you wanted. Judge is supposed to be the negotiator but not the one taking decisions.
 

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Lack of confidence but also a lack of tactics. We seem to be only able to beat teams with pace. Once that is tackled we are pretty much clueless
Nowt wrong with pace, we went from nearly men to yearly men thanks to the extra pace of Kanchelskis, Giggs and Sharpe, and if they weren't on form we struggled to break teams down, and that was with a far superior midfield and attack than we've got now.
 

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Nowt wrong with pace, we went from nearly men to yearly men thanks to the extra pace of Kanchelskis, Giggs and Sharpe, and if they weren't on form we struggled to break teams down, and that was with a far superior midfield and attack than we've got now.
Nothing wrong with it if used correctly but for ole it seems to be plan A-Z. Which kind of explains why we are so predictable and why ole's career track record as a manager in a top league is so meah. The guy is really a 1 trick pony

Also note giggs had more to him then just pace.
 

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Some delusional comments on this page the foolishness of fans is astounding. If the club back Ole and give him hundreds of millions to spend where does the club end up ? Everyone's talking like Solskjaer is even a draw for talented players, if I'm a footballer and have the capabilities to play for a top four team why am I bothering to look at Ole as an inspiration for development ? We are trusting a manager who has got Cardiff relegated and the p45 the following season in the championship to somehow bridge the gap with Guardiola and Klopp.

Giving Ole time will eclipse the failures of Moyes, Jose and LVG. With time Ole will prove to be the worst manager to grace this club since Sir Alex retired, that is if he hasn't done so already. A calamitous decision to not part ways with him at the end of the season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29251627

2014:

"He presented a different vision for Cardiff compared with the defensive approach of his predecessor Malky Mackay"

"He may have promised a more exciting style, but under Solskjaer the Bluebirds slipped into the Premier League's bottom three for the first time and never recovered, finishing bottom"


It's funny how history repeats itself. An exact identical situation we face.
So much THIS. People who say things like 'no matter the manager with Woodward and Glazers we'll still be bad' completely ignore the fact Ole is a HUGE part of the problem right now, if not THE problem.

As far as I know Woodward is not meddling in tactics, team selection and training methods. This squad is definitely not good enough to fight for the title, it may not be good enough for top 4 even (strongly disagree) but it sure as hell isn't bottom half of the table level. And that's where we'll end up if this pathetic excuse of a manager is kept any longer.

Woodward and Glazers are bad, but we know they're not going anywhere anytime soon. So let's look at what can be changed in the near future. A great manager can mask so many things and change and improve. People love using LVG and Mourinho as examples as to why established managers won't work and that's true to a degree. That type of manager/person won't work because Woodward is in charge and he's stubborn and doesn't want to work any other way. LVG and Mourinho are prickly and confrontational people who in the best of times eventually get on people's nerves. They're stubborn and rigid and set in their ways. So we need a different type of person, more flexible, adaptable, more intelligent to pick and choose his battles. Allegri is that man.
 

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So shit-slinging has begun, from one camp to the other that it's not their fault. What a surprise NOT!

There are serious issues at the club, at every possible level but that doesn't absolve the sheer ineptitude of manager and his staff. They are mutually exclusive problems, yet so many can't wrap their head around it.
 

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The absolute state of our expectations for the Club at this moment in time. It's a shame really.

Folks saying all we need is to see 'good' football, whereas a few years ago we were competitive and had high standards. how low have we stooped.

Thanks to Glazers, Woodward and the rest of the mafia.
 

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The players aren’t good enough, the manger isn’t good enough, his coaches maybe aren’t as well, Woodward and his team of investment bankers are clueless but their jobs are as safe as can be.

All that can change is the manager who can then change some of the players, that’s the future of this club for years and years to come until they stumble on some kind of success.

All the coverage in the media was inevitable, we’ve been a relegation level team for 17 league games so unless there is instant improvement everyone knows what’s going to happen.
 

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This stuff means before a sacking.

we definitely need 9 out and 9 in though
 

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100%. You don't get a succession of stories like that saying similar things unless they've all been sat down and spoonfed by the same source. We've seen this show one too many times to think this stuff came out together by coincidence.
 

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This really seems like a deliberate leak from the board to throw OGS under the bus and deflect attention away from the ineptitude of Woodward and co.
 

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Simon Stone's piece on the BBC.

That quote is quite revealing. As is this follow up by Stone:

"This was a real quote, from a United staff member, to sum up what they thought of the current situation.
Solskjaer, it was stressed, was not to blame for this. It was just what the speaker felt was an honest assessment of the club's squad at the present time. Sources have told the BBC that Solskjaer's initial view after replacing Mourinho was that United needed to change nine players. So far, three have left and three more have come in."

The first comments from within that Ole was hung out to dry. It doesn't really excuse his appalling approach to games and the apparent inability to coach the team, but it does once again highlight the main problem at the club.

Stone goes on to say that the coaching staff knows too much is being asked of the youngsters. So this debunks two theories that have been peddled on the Caf: 1) that buying more players this window would have been disruptive and 2) that Ole planned to rely heavily on completely untested youngsters.

It's a bit of a shame the way Ole has played his cards though. He can't openly criticise anything at the club. I remember how he said we were a fantastically well run club once the malaise was back in full flow last season and now he needs an anonymous member of staff to tell it like it is.
What evidence is there that his approach to games is awful? With a few injuries to important players and failing to replace Herrera we are left starting Fred and relying on youth..

Could anyone do much better right now?
 

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What evidence is there that his approach to games is awful? With a few injuries to important players and failing to replace Herrera we are left starting Fred and relying on youth..

Could anyone do much better right now?
We are probably the worst team in the league right now.

Could anyone else do worse?
 

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Trust me I've seen every game since the eighties (well more or less skipped a few here and there due to circumstances probably a lot actually as the years have piled but ever since Solskjaer took over I've been consistent) - and even though I came in at a horrible time (when we finished 11th) I'd never dream to see a bad run like this ever again. It's unfathomable - so we agree on just how crap this is no questions asked there. Where we disagree though is the concept of what's (or who's) to blame - and I don't see the coaching staff or the tactics deployed as our main issue at all because our play opens up chances all the time - our buildup warrants way more than we're currently getting. In fact most aspects of our play (possession, work rate, defensive stability and even pressure) has improved since last year - and we often create space - even see good runs into these open spaces - but the players are either blind to these making all kinds of weird decisions stalling and disrupting our play in the final third rather than utilizing these openings - or - when they actually do manage to spot them and get a decent chance in - either mistimes by a fraction or shits themselves before completely wasting the opportunity.

Dude we probably won't agree on this - but please at least acknowledge that I'm not much for nepotism nor am I a simpleton of sorts. I'm not even uncritical of Ole - it was totally unforgiving not reinforcing our midfield and attack this summer (if that decision was indeed his that is which I doubt actually due to his preseason statements and our failure in recruitment across many years now) - and I find him very gullible in terms of how he assesses his own players. This blind loyalty he continues to exhibit towards individuals who simply aren't good enough to make it at this level even fecked him over in the past as well - when he brought a lot of youngsters he'd worked with at previous clubs into Cardiff for whatever reasons and these didn't deliver anything of value at all. So it puzzles me seeing as how he's experienced this in the past that he still insists on wasting everyone's time and his own chances at success trusting players who are mediocre at best (I'm talking about Fred and Mata here in particular because even though I really like the latter at least I doubt anyone's been excited about our chances after watching either of them entering the pit ever).

But hey let's compromise shall we? Because my support is not unconditional. If we still struggle in the bottom half with relegation looming above us come Christmas - our current coaching staff needs replacing absolutely - and if we can't manage top-six at the end of the season (originally I said top-four but then we got hit with a half-arsed transfer window so I lowered the bar) - I also agree that their time has come. And next season I expect us to be solidified back within the top-four again. Because I honestly believe we are just two-three good signings away from getting there and that even our current squad should be able to keep us somewhat afloat up until then - and also that an additional two-three quality rotation options should lift us back where we truly belong by 21/22.

All in all - I see positives and negatives in regards to this project - I'm not perfectly convinced but nor do I find cause to be dismissive at this point due to the context surrounding our catastrophic run. I feel placing all the blame on our coaching is unwarranted - that in fact they're nowhere near as responsible as many suggest - and I may be guilty of wrongful accusations here but I'm also pretty sure that if we were in this exact same situation and our manager's name wasn't Solskjaer but something more along the line of Pochettino or Klopp - a lot more would agree with me on this.



See the above answer that's my assessment of this disaster we're all witnessing :)
Are you from Norway by any chance?
 

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So play a 17 yo for every game when we are losing to break his confidence totally?.. Rashford came through when there was a main strikers, Zlatan followed by Lukaku

Nobody seems to be using critical thinking on the Cafe...it's amazing to watch.

Ole has been hung out to dry by negligence. The funniest posts I read is that it's Ole's fault letting Lukaku go and not replacing him. Do you guys honestly think Ole didn't want to replace him? Do you think he wanted to let Herrera go? Had to fight to get Mata a new contract and if he hadn't, it's unlikely he would have been replaced.

Pre season showed what Ole was trying to do with a fully fit squad...from the second game this season we started losing players to injury and no bench to assist. The bench are the 9 players he wanted out...

Its not hard to see why we are in this position. The knee jerkers need to get a grip and look at the bigger picture.

Just to add, DJ wasn't supposed to be a starter ffs!!! People forget he came on as a sub and scored against Chelsea...due to negligence above Ole...he is now first name on the team sheet!! Just shows how badly let down Ole was...
Yep. Unbelievable how some on here think Ole didn’t replace the deadwood. Just like Jose (actually said) and any other manager coming in, he is merely a coach. He doesn’t negotiate deals, he doesn’t authorise deals. I am sure EW has a list of players or is at least fully aware of what/who Ole would like to see come in. The rest is up to the owners or this Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime of a CEO. I’m equally sure that EW is on some financial inducement to keep as much of the club’s money in Glazers pockets, hence his appalling, dilatory “efforts” (probably the wrong word) to replace outgoing players. We needed these mediocre players replacing with decent players. Now, we hardly even have any mediocre players out on the pitch. Very disturbing echoes of the Busby/Edwards negligence in the early 70s. Just like poor old Wilf who literally lost his hair whilst being hung out to dry, Ole is expected to sort this mess out with reserve/youth players. Of course, he could’ve done better but he really isn’t getting much help is he?

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If he needed to change 9 players, he shouldnt have shown that with what we already had we could win most of our matches

He didnt need to change 9 players.
 

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So much THIS. People who say things like 'no matter the manager with Woodward and Glazers we'll still be bad' completely ignore the fact Ole is a HUGE part of the problem right now, if not THE problem.

As far as I know Woodward is not meddling in tactics, team selection and training methods. This squad is definitely not good enough to fight for the title, it may not be good enough for top 4 even (strongly disagree) but it sure as hell isn't bottom half of the table level. And that's where we'll end up if this pathetic excuse of a manager is kept any longer.

Woodward and Glazers are bad, but we know they're not going anywhere anytime soon. So let's look at what can be changed in the near future. A great manager can mask so many things and change and improve. People love using LVG and Mourinho as examples as to why established managers won't work and that's true to a degree. That type of manager/person won't work because Woodward is in charge and he's stubborn and doesn't want to work any other way. LVG and Mourinho are prickly and confrontational people who in the best of times eventually get on people's nerves. They're stubborn and rigid and set in their ways. So we need a different type of person, more flexible, adaptable, more intelligent to pick and choose his battles. Allegri is that man.
Remind me again, who appointed Ole (and all the flops before)?
 

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Are we now entering this phase of a shit marriage where different parties start briefing just anybody to make sure they look somewhat innocent in all this shit?
Simon Stone is one of the most reliable journos in sports. He is by far and away not "just somebody".
 

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Surely we all can agree that it's not just Oles fault. Everyone was demanding Ashley Young to be sold as everyone knows he's finished at this level and yet here we are two injuries to our starting fullbacks and he's back in the first team stinking the place out. Somehow this is Oles fault and its poor coaching when reality is we're forced to play him because of poor investment in the Summer by the higher ups. We can get away with having one poor player starting but when you've got 5/6 players the Caf have all agreed are terrible starting then it's a huge problem.

Ole is clearly under performing and not getting the most out of the squad. But this isn't just a Manager issue, it's clear that we need a complete rebuild and that requires big investment which the owners don't seem to want to do.

Just makes me laugh at the posters complaining about Ole and yet if I check their history I'm sure they'd be complaining about the quality of Mata, Matic, Fred, Young, Lingard etc. So riddle me this... If the above are awful how exactly are we meant to play good football with them?
 

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If he needed to change 9 players, he shouldnt have shown that with what we already had we could win most of our matches

He didnt need to change 9 players.
Yeah but the key components to winning those 9 matches have either been sold or not replaced, or are currently injured. What the hell do you expect him to do with the reserves team?
 

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Both the manager and the CEO of the club are leaking information to the press in order to save face by telling the fans their part of the story in fear of a humiliation at home against our fiercest rivals. And since they are both putting so much effort into it, one can only imagine that both the manager and the CEO consider this humiliation to be somewhat inevitable.

Utterly pathetic. This is the stuff of ancient greek tragedies by the men who share the privilege to lead one of the biggest clubs in the world. They should be ashamed. Not even once during SAF's dominance the manager and the board of Liverpool showed such cowardice ahead of United-Liverpool clash.

Tbh, i expected a bit more tact from both of them. The truth is that we know the drill from Ed: Wait until the fanbase's disenchantment reaches critical mass before pulling the trigger so that the majority of the blame will fall on the manager. I wouldn't be surprised if he's hoping for a record defeat that will make the decision easier for him.

Ole is what i feared he would be: All talk with very little substance. The core of the issue all these years was that board believed that the squad was good enough to constantly make top-four with a few additions by the manager. In Solskjaer they found someone happy enough to just sit on the bench and not express any concerns openly and naive enough to believe that any academy product can provide the same solutions the class of '92 did back in the day because "he was there and he was interacting with Fergie" everyday. Now, he sounds like the boy who cried wolf just like Jose in his third season.
 

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Yeah but the key components to winning those 9 matches have either been sold or not replaced, or are currently injured. What the hell do you expect him to do with the reserves team?
We have injuries to deal with every season. And if they were key components he shouldnt allow them to leave
 

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Doesn't align with Ole's past comments from last season and this. Just further bollocks PR spin from the club.

This squad is good enough to chalenge for top 4, easily with a scoring Lukaku who he sold. Top 6 with unfortunate injuries which has only been a minor problem this season in truth.
 

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Surely we all can agree that it's not just Oles fault. Everyone was demanding Ashley Young to be sold as everyone knows he's finished at this level and yet here we are two injuries to our starting fullbacks and he's back in the first team stinking the place out. Somehow this is Oles fault and its poor coaching when reality is we're forced to play him because of poor investment in the Summer by the higher ups. We can get away with having one poor player starting but when you've got 5/6 players the Caf have all agreed are terrible starting then it's a huge problem.

Ole is clearly under performing and not getting the most out of the squad. But this isn't just a Manager issue, it's clear that we need a complete rebuild and that requires big investment which the owners don't seem to want to do.

Just makes me laugh at the posters complaining about Ole and yet if I check their history I'm sure they'd be complaining about the quality of Mata, Matic, Fred, Young, Lingard etc. So riddle me this... If the above are awful how exactly are we meant to play good football with them?
I keep seeing this and even though we didn't have a massive spending spree over the summer, it was still a pretty significant outlay even with the Lukaku purchase, compared to most of the PL. Liverpool under Klopp largely built their great squad through a mixture of good purchases who made the step up and big money buys fuelled by the sales of players for mega-bucks. Chelsea have had a relatively strong squad for years despite having actually made money from transfers. Same as Spurs.

It's only really us, City, and Arsenal who have been throwing money at players without a care for using players sold to fund it, and City did it much better than us and Arsenal did, so I can see why the club are adapting this position now. Years of just throwing money at players regardless of who we already have at the club left us with millions in transfer payments, a severely bloated squad, and a massive wage bill. No wonder they're being more frugal.
 

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I keep seeing this and even though we didn't have a massive spending spree over the summer, it was still a pretty significant outlay even with the Lukaku purchase, compared to most of the PL. Liverpool under Klopp largely built their great squad through a mixture of good purchases who made the step up and big money buys fuelled by the sales of players for mega-bucks. Chelsea have had a relatively strong squad for years despite having actually made money from transfers. Same as Spurs.

It's only really us, City, and Arsenal who have been throwing money at players without a care for using players sold to fund it, and City did it much better than us and Arsenal did, so I can see why the club are adapting this position now. Years of just throwing money at players regardless of who we already have at the club left us with millions in transfer payments, a severely bloated squad, and a massive wage bill. No wonder they're being more frugal.
Bro when you add in the wages off the bill, half of Sanchez wages, Lukaku's and Smalling we actually spent nearer £40m in the summer.

Please remember we posted record income just weeks ago.

Negligence which in most companies around the world would be classed as gross misconduct followed by the sacking of Woodward.
 

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Bro when you add in the wages off the bill, half of Sanchez wages, Lukaku's and Smalling we actually spent nearer £40m in the summer.

Please remember we posted record income just weeks ago.

Negligence which in most companies around the world would be classed as gross misconduct followed by the sacking of Woodward.
That was gross income, the club barely made a profit overall. Sacking Mourinho cost something like £25m.

Like I said, spelunking hundreds of millions on players with no real thought behind it has gotten us absolutely nowhere in the last six years so I don't really blame the club for trying something different. They just went about it in the wrong way i.e. a world record fee on a good center back instead of replacing Lukaku and getting a good midfielder in.
 

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Yeah but the key components to winning those 9 matches have either been sold or not replaced, or are currently injured. What the hell do you expect him to do with the reserves team?
Such a bad post. Go back and actually look at the lineups for games and tell me which ones are reserve teams?
 

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When Ole gets sacked and the club continues to underperform massively under his successor, will the penny finally drop for some fans?
 

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So play a 17 yo for every game when we are losing to break his confidence totally?.. Rashford came through when there was a main strikers, Zlatan followed by Lukaku

Nobody seems to be using critical thinking on the Cafe...it's amazing to watch.

Ole has been hung out to dry by negligence. The funniest posts I read is that it's Ole's fault letting Lukaku go and not replacing him. Do you guys honestly think Ole didn't want to replace him? Do you think he wanted to let Herrera go? Had to fight to get Mata a new contract and if he hadn't, it's unlikely he would have been replaced.

Pre season showed what Ole was trying to do with a fully fit squad...from the second game this season we started losing players to injury and no bench to assist. The bench are the 9 players he wanted out...

Its not hard to see why we are in this position. The knee jerkers need to get a grip and look at the bigger picture.

Just to add, DJ wasn't supposed to be a starter ffs!!! People forget he came on as a sub and scored against Chelsea...due to negligence above Ole...he is now first name on the team sheet!! Just shows how badly let down Ole was...
So you think Ole is right in not playing Greenwood despite having no other choice when some of the best players to have come through in our history have made the step up when given similar opportunity.

Rashford literally made his debut when Rooney, Martial and Wilson got injured, if we follow your logic, van Gaal should have persisted with playing Memphis instead of Rashford.

And who's to say we would be losing if we had played Greenwood? We would probably get a few wins because we wouldn't be playing 10 against 11 for a start.

For a person criticising posters on here, you're honestly deluded in thinking Ole hasnt played a part in our bad form. Nobody's denying the board hasn't helped him, but he's a major reason for the terrible form by continuously sticking to a losing formula.
 

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When Ole gets sacked and the club continues to underperform massively under his successor, will the penny finally drop for some fans?
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much everyone who wants Ole sacked has also acknowledged that the club as a whole is terribly run. That doesn't mean he isn't a poor manager.
 

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Such a bad post. Go back and actually look at the lineups for games and tell me which ones are reserve teams?
Players that are currently seeig starter minutes because of heavy injury problems:

Mason Greenwood, Angel Gomes, Ashley Young, Juan Mata, Matic, fecking Rojo. None of these players start or feature heavy in key matches if not for injuries. The first two are kids, the second two are getting old and have lost pace, Rojo is just not good enough
 

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The two aren't mutually exclusive. Pretty much everyone who wants Ole sacked has also acknowledged that the club as a whole is terribly run. That doesn't mean he isn't a poor manager.
Some fans think a new manager can have this team challenging again but the club is inherently broken from the top down. The manager merry-go-round and pear-shaped seasons will continue under this ownership and board, absolutely no doubt about it.
 

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Players that are currently seeig starter minutes because of heavy injury problems:

Mason Greenwood, Angel Gomes, Ashley Young, Juan Mata, Matic, fecking Rojo. None of these players start or feature heavy in key matches if not for injuries. The first two are kids, the second two are getting old and have lost pace, Rojo is just not good enough
Again which match had the reserves?

You've named a few sub players. In most our matches the lineup was fine but some of you want to rewrite history that we've been plagued by injuries.

I'll perhaps give you Newcastle, which other game did injuries result in a loss?
 

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Some fans think a new manager can have this team challenging again but the club is inherently broken from the top down. The manager merry-go-round and pear-shaped seasons will continue under this ownership and board, absolutely no doubt about it.
Some fans are idiots.

A good manager however could go a long way towards improving the position we're currently in. It's all well and good doing a rebuild and trying to reshape things but if you don't have a good manager to do it then you're doomed from the start. Look at Liverpool before Klopp.