United's rebuild has not even started and won't start any time soon and here's why

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Apparently United are rebuilding. If our former players are to be believed, the rebuild will take three years to complete, others suggest maybe five years. Thereafter, United are expected to be competing for top honours again.

In truth, all this is nothing more than nonsense. United's rebuild has not even started and years of decline are likely to come before the rebuild even begins.

Liverpool is often used as the comparison for how long it will take for United's rebuild to take. Commentators and fans alike cite the four years that it has taken Jurgen Klopp to turn Liverpool into European Champions and serious Premier League title contenders again, but such comparisons are completely mad and here's is why:

  • The Glazers remain in charge and are not going anywhere - Liverpool's rebuild did not start with Klopp, it started with Fenway Sports Group in 2010. By any objective assessment the words 'rebuild' and 'Glazers' cannot be seriously mentioned in the same sentence. For United to have any hopes of moving forward as a football club, it is universally excepted that the Glazers, whose driving motivation is commercial profit, rather than on-filed success, have to go (just as Gillette and Hicks had to depart Liverpool). Point to make here is that rebuilds start with the right ownership
  • It takes time and patience find the right manager to take you forward - people often point to the time it has taken Klopp to rebuild Liverpool. However, FSG sacked three managers Hodgson, Dalglish and Rogers before appointing Klopp. In other words, it took them five years to appoint the right manager and they had to wait a further four years (nearly a decade) for their first major trophy (that's if you discount the EFL Cup won under Dalglish in 2011). The point to make here is that, even with the right ownership, you sometimes need to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince.
  • Nothing can be built in a climate of uncertainty - Let's cut to the chase, there is a very real prospect that Ole will not be United manager next season. Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through.
  • Recruitment is not about money spent it is about money spent wisely - United are one of the richest clubs in the world and yet since Sir Alex Ferguson left, our record in the transfer market has been woeful. It is not that money has not been spent, it is that it has been spent poorly. FSG made similar mistakes in the beginning wasting millions on the likes of Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Mario Balotelli and more. However, on balance and particularly under Klopp, their transfer business has been outstanding. By contrast, on balance United transfer business has been more miss than hit and average at best

In short, it is time to stop comparing United's 'rebuild' with Liverpool's, there is no comparison. It took ten years for Liverpool's rebuild to produce results and that was only after new owners, committed to the club's success, took charge.
 

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So you don’t think completing a world record signing in Maguire is an attempt to rebuild? Signing a 50m right back isn’t rebuilding? Tying down DDG to a long term deal?

Come on. The owners are sh!te, the CEO is sh!te, but they are attempting a re-build because it’s in their best interests (making themselves rich) in keeping United near the top.
 

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So you don’t think completing a world record signing in Maguire is an attempt to rebuild? Signing a 50m right back isn’t rebuilding? Tying down DDG to a long term deal?

Come on. The owners are sh!te, the CEO is sh!te, but they are attempting a re-build because it’s in their best interests (making themselves rich) in keeping United near the top.

Absolutely. But it is a bit like buying a fantastic three piece suite and ignoring the fact that you have a leaky roof, rising damp, huge cracks in your load bearing walls and a rat infestation.

In the grand scheme of things a shite owner and CEO are fairly significant structural weaknesses.
 

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So you don’t think completing a world record signing in Maguire is an attempt to rebuild? Signing a 50m right back isn’t rebuilding? Tying down DDG to a long term deal?

Come on. The owners are sh!te, the CEO is sh!te, but they are attempting a re-build because it’s in their best interests (making themselves rich) in keeping United near the top.
It's not the first time we spunked 50-70m on players. Why should that mean we are trying to rebuild?

You can attempt a rebuild tens of times (like Liverpools previous owners or our current ones have). It won't be successful until you have the right infrastructure in place.
 

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It's not the first time we spunked 50-70m on players. Why should that mean we are trying to rebuild?

You can attempt a rebuild tens of times (like Liverpools previous owners or our current ones have). It won't be successful until you have the right infrastructure in place.
Great point! Also look at the net spend this summer, 50% of the gross outlay.
 

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Apparently United are rebuilding. If our former players are to be believed, the rebuild will take three years to complete, others suggest maybe five years. Thereafter, United are expected to be competing for top honours again.

In truth, all this is nothing more than nonsense. United's rebuild has not even started and years of decline are likely to come before the rebuild even begins.

Liverpool is often used as the comparison for how long it will take for United's rebuild to take. Commentators and fans alike cite the four years that it has taken Jurgen Klopp to turn Liverpool into European Champions and serious Premier League title contenders again, but such comparisons are completely mad and here's is why:

  • The Glazers remain in charge and are not going anywhere - Liverpool's rebuild did not start with Klopp, it started with Fenway Sports Group in 2010. By any objective assessment the words 'rebuild' and 'Glazers' cannot be seriously mentioned in the same sentence. For United to have any hopes of moving forward as a football club, it is universally excepted that the Glazers, whose driving motivation is commercial profit, rather than on-filed success, have to go (just as Gillette and Hicks had to depart Liverpool). Point to make here is that rebuilds start with the right ownership
  • It takes time and patience find the right manager to take you forward - people often point to the time it has taken Klopp to rebuild Liverpool. However, FSG sacked three managers Hodgson, Dalglish and Rogers before appointing Klopp. In other words, it took them five years to appoint the right manager and they had to wait a further four years (nearly a decade) for their first major trophy (that's if you discount the EFL Cup won under Dalglish in 2011). The point to make here is that, even with the right ownership, you sometimes need to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince.
  • Nothing can be built in a climate of uncertainty - Let's cut to the chase, there is a very real prospect that Ole will not be United manager next season. Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through.
  • Recruitment is not about money spent it is about money spent wisely - United are one of the richest clubs in the world and yet since Sir Alex Ferguson left, our record in the transfer market has been woeful. It is not that money has not been spent, it is that it has been spent poorly. FSG made similar mistakes in the beginning wasting millions on the likes of Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Mario Balotelli and more. However, on balance and particularly under Klopp, their transfer business has been outstanding. By contrast, on balance United transfer business has been more miss than hit and average at best
In short, it is time to stop comparing United's 'rebuild' with Liverpool's, there is no comparison. It took ten years for Liverpool's rebuild to produce results and that was only after new owners, committed to the club's success, took charge.
Well done. I agree that Rebuilding will be a very slow process with the owners and Woody in charge, but you cannot keep sacking managers every other year and start all over again. This will cause unrest in the dressing room with players wanting out, different systems, different training methods, etc.
Players get frustrated in seeing a different manager on the training pitch every other season, hence the lack of players improving. There has to be a family atmosphere in a club to improve, and this will only happen with a long term plan and manager. I still feel that we are only 2 windows away ( 5 Top players) from challenging for honours and this can be done if the Glazers and Woody let go of their wallets, and allow the manager to bring in these players.
We are the biggest club in the world and should be showing it on the pitch also. No matter who comes in as manager the club has to back them, but only if they feel these are the right players for the club. This is where we have went terribly wrong in the past, so maybe we should have someone that knows about football giving their views on players before they sign them up.
 

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It's not the first time we spunked 50-70m on players. Why should that mean we are trying to rebuild?

You can attempt a rebuild tens of times (like Liverpools previous owners or our current ones have). It won't be successful until you have the right infrastructure in place.
The efforts to re-build are there, because they’re offering funds to buy players. Sadly up until this summer the choices of what to spend it on have been poor.

EDIT - I know knowing regarding Liverpools’ transfers/owners timeline but lets not forget Liverpool are successful because they’ve got a tremendous manager.
 
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It's not the first time we spunked 50-70m on players. Why should that mean we are trying to rebuild?

You can attempt a rebuild tens of times (like Liverpools previous owners or our current ones have). It won't be successful until you have the right infrastructure in place.
So you’re criticising the owners for fronting money? Correct me if I’m wrong but surely the manager should instruct the owners and CEO to a better level?
 

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The efforts to re-build are there, because they’re offering funds to buy players. Sadly up until this summer the choices of what to spend it on have been poor.

Pretty sure Liverpools’ previous owners brought in the likes of Danny Ings, Jo Allen, Lovren etc, whereas the current owners brought in Allison, VVD etc, which is more like United bringing in Maguire, Wan Bissaka and so on.
So you’re criticising the owners for fronting money? Correct me if I’m wrong but surely the manager should instruct the owners and CEO to a better level?
You think fronting money is all you need in a rebuild?

Since you asked me to correct you if you're wrong, il do that. We have not one footballing member on our board - do you think that sets us up for a rebuild? Woodward signs off on transfers - is that setting us up for a rebuild? We have the wrong guys making the wrong decision. That is the point of this thread. That out rebuild won't properly start until we fix the problems upstairs.
 

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You think fronting money is all you need in a rebuild?

Since you asked me to correct you if you're wrong, il do that. We have not one footballing member on our board - do you think that sets us up for a rebuild? Woodward signs off on transfers - is that setting us up for a rebuild? We have the wrong guys making the wrong decision. That is the point of this thread. That out rebuild won't properly start until we fix the problems upstairs.
I’m pretty sure owners offer money, CEO offer negotiations and the manager gives a list of players. It’s on the managers for me. Yeah, the owners are taking money out the club, yeah the CEO is pretty clueless on the footballing side, but for me its on the managers. They ask for players, their decisions are poor.

Example 1. The heart was ripped out of this club when LVG said he wanted Falcao, Di Maria, Schneiderlain, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, etc and he flogged Chicharito, Welbeck, Evra, Vidic, Rio, Rafael, Van Persie etc in the manner he did. He did a complete 180 spin on the previous title winning squad and we’re still paying for it. All that experience ripped out, he could have added 2-3 signings to that spine but instead he ripped it out, changed our playing style and ultimately got sacked for it.

Example 2. Moyes ripped out the entire coaching team Fergie left behind that would have offered him a springboard of advice and experience.

Example 3. Solskjaer didn’t insist on a striker signing all summer despite knowing Lukaku was going to ultimately leave. He could have demanded a signing in May, June, July. He didn’t. He trusted Martial and Rashford and Greenwood yet now he says Greenwood isn’t ready for full exposure. Rashford is p!ss poor and being badly coached. Martial is injured, again. That’s on Ole.

The owners and the CEO have been badly advised by managers. For the record I hate the owners, I despise what they’ve done to this club, they’ve taken a billion out of this club whilst City’s owners have put a billion in. I think Woodward is incompetent at his footballing side of the job, but he’s an excellent commercial man.

They needed their hand holding by an experienced, trust worthy manager. Sadly the managers we’ve had have made bad decisions with players.

The money has been there, unquestionably.
 

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I truly believe we need to give Ed the time and space he needs to identify the right players for our next manager.
 

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With this board and owners, there is never going to be rebuild for us to win the league or CL. Why? Because they just have no clue. It has been proven.

I could keep paying my accountant shed loads of money to be the architect and project mange the build of my new home. But as long as he's saving me money on my tax, that's fine.
 

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Glazers are hardly a problem. People like to convince themselves they haven’t invested in the team and that’s the reason for our failures but it isn’t.
 

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Pretty sure Liverpools’ previous owners brought in the likes of Danny Ings, Jo Allen, Lovren etc, whereas the current owners brought in Allison, VVD etc, which is more like United bringing in Maguire, Wan Bissaka and so on.
What? FSG bought Liverpool in 2010, they signed Allen in 2012, Lovren in 2014 and Ings in 2015.
 

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Glazers are hardly a problem. People like to convince themselves they haven’t invested in the team and that’s the reason for our failures but it isn’t.
Please highlight to us what is the problem?
 

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Glazers are hardly a problem. People like to convince themselves they haven’t invested in the team and that’s the reason for our failures but it isn’t.
Glazers are a massive problem.

The underinvestment under SAF was criminal and is the root problem of it all.
They’ve started to invest only when they realized shite could really hit the fan post-Moyes.
They have their fav in Woodward fecking us up for six years, poor transfer after poor transfer, poor appointments, mistakes after mistakes and he is still in the job. How is he in the job still?

If they are not part of the solution then they are part of the problem.
It is highly debatable whether they have any sort of ambition to make this club great again on a footballing level, top 4 could be well enough for them to keep on leeching.
 

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Glazers are a massive problem.

The underinvestment under SAF was criminal and is the root problem of it all.
They’ve started to invest only when they realized shite could really hit the fan post-Moyes.
They have their fav in Woodward fecking us up for six years, poor transfer after poor transfer, poor appointments, mistakes after mistakes and he is still in the job. How is he in the job still?

If they are not part of the solution then they are part of the problem.
It is highly debatable whether they have any sort of ambition to make this club great again on a footballing level, top 4 could be well enough for them to keep on leeching.
Bingo!
 

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Let Pogba go on a free, then paid 89million to buy him back
Let Herrera go on a free
Could have sold Cleverly to Everton for 6 million but refused saying he wanted 10million. Sent out on loan to Aston Villa paying most of his wages. Went to Everton on a free the next summer.
Sanctioned Sanchez 500k a week wages for 5 year contract, now paying half his wages or more.
He has extended contracts to players that cannot even get on the bench, and loaned out Smalling after extending his contract.
This is Woodward not the managers, so tell me why he shouldn't be sacked.
 

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What? FSG bought Liverpool in 2010, they signed Allen in 2012, Lovren in 2014 and Ings in 2015.
Oops, I got the transfer timeline / owner timeline at Liverpool wrong. But Liverpools’ success is because of Klopp and Klopps’ transfer targets. Not because of the owners. Liverpool had the same owners when they had Hodgson and they were a joke.
 

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It’s down to the manager in charge.

We wouldn’t be crying about where we are now if Pep was in charge, if Klopp was in charge. They would have made better decisions on transfers and our squad would be completely different.

Each would have had £700m to spend in addition to a title winning squad.
 

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If we were serious about this rebuilding we would have signed more than 3 players this summer. And there should be questions regarding the priorities of the signings and their suitability for team playing any other football than counterattacking.

Looking at our squad we still need 6-7 starters and an equal number in decent rotational players to have a competitive squad. This is impossible if we are continuing with the Brexit FC recruitement.
 

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Can't see the Glazers sanctioning 700million in 2 windows, which is what it would take to bring in the 5/6 players that we need to challenge for honours now. This is for the team. Squad members would cost us more again, unless we have top youngsters coming through.
Now if we were to sell some players, this could possibly be much less. But this is the reality we are facing, no matter what manager comes in.
 

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Apparently United are rebuilding. If our former players are to be believed, the rebuild will take three years to complete, others suggest maybe five years. Thereafter, United are expected to be competing for top honours again.

In truth, all this is nothing more than nonsense. United's rebuild has not even started and years of decline are likely to come before the rebuild even begins.

Liverpool is often used as the comparison for how long it will take for United's rebuild to take. Commentators and fans alike cite the four years that it has taken Jurgen Klopp to turn Liverpool into European Champions and serious Premier League title contenders again, but such comparisons are completely mad and here's is why:

  • The Glazers remain in charge and are not going anywhere - Liverpool's rebuild did not start with Klopp, it started with Fenway Sports Group in 2010. By any objective assessment the words 'rebuild' and 'Glazers' cannot be seriously mentioned in the same sentence. For United to have any hopes of moving forward as a football club, it is universally excepted that the Glazers, whose driving motivation is commercial profit, rather than on-filed success, have to go (just as Gillette and Hicks had to depart Liverpool). Point to make here is that rebuilds start with the right ownership
  • It takes time and patience find the right manager to take you forward - people often point to the time it has taken Klopp to rebuild Liverpool. However, FSG sacked three managers Hodgson, Dalglish and Rogers before appointing Klopp. In other words, it took them five years to appoint the right manager and they had to wait a further four years (nearly a decade) for their first major trophy (that's if you discount the EFL Cup won under Dalglish in 2011). The point to make here is that, even with the right ownership, you sometimes need to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince.
  • Nothing can be built in a climate of uncertainty - Let's cut to the chase, there is a very real prospect that Ole will not be United manager next season. Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through.
  • Recruitment is not about money spent it is about money spent wisely - United are one of the richest clubs in the world and yet since Sir Alex Ferguson left, our record in the transfer market has been woeful. It is not that money has not been spent, it is that it has been spent poorly. FSG made similar mistakes in the beginning wasting millions on the likes of Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Mario Balotelli and more. However, on balance and particularly under Klopp, their transfer business has been outstanding. By contrast, on balance United transfer business has been more miss than hit and average at best
In short, it is time to stop comparing United's 'rebuild' with Liverpool's, there is no comparison. It took ten years for Liverpool's rebuild to produce results and that was only after new owners, committed to the club's success, took charge.
Good post. Don't think that the rebuild has started properly yet. I don't think that Woodward has given Ole a good enough platform to build from and am concerned that this rebuild is going to take a lot longer than I initially thought.

Don't think that we should be sacking manager's so often. I think that Woodward should take a good look at the situation we are in and realise that he needs help from people with actual football knowledge not his good mate Judge. If he had got in a DoF earlier, I think we would have spent the money that we did more wisely and we wouldn't be in so much of a sh!te show.

I'm happy with the players that we recruited in the summer but I think it was negligent by Woodward to not replace Lukaku or Herrera. Will be happy if we get a striker in the next window although I think this should have been done in the summer.
I think we are still lacking 2 midfielders, a striker, right winger and maybe a left back soon as well.
 

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I’m pretty sure owners offer money, CEO offer negotiations and the manager gives a list of players. It’s on the managers for me. Yeah, the owners are taking money out the club, yeah the CEO is pretty clueless on the footballing side, but for me its on the managers. They ask for players, their decisions are poor.

Example 1. The heart was ripped out of this club when LVG said he wanted Falcao, Di Maria, Schneiderlain, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, etc and he flogged Chicharito, Welbeck, Evra, Vidic, Rio, Rafael, Van Persie etc in the manner he did. He did a complete 180 spin on the previous title winning squad and we’re still paying for it. All that experience ripped out, he could have added 2-3 signings to that spine but instead he ripped it out, changed our playing style and ultimately got sacked for it.

Example 2. Moyes ripped out the entire coaching team Fergie left behind that would have offered him a springboard of advice and experience.

Example 3. Solskjaer didn’t insist on a striker signing all summer despite knowing Lukaku was going to ultimately leave. He could have demanded a signing in May, June, July. He didn’t. He trusted Martial and Rashford and Greenwood yet now he says Greenwood isn’t ready for full exposure. Rashford is p!ss poor and being badly coached. Martial is injured, again. That’s on Ole.

The owners and the CEO have been badly advised by managers. For the record I hate the owners, I despise what they’ve done to this club, they’ve taken a billion out of this club whilst City’s owners have put a billion in. I think Woodward is incompetent at his footballing side of the job, but he’s an excellent commercial man.

They needed their hand holding by an experienced, trust worthy manager. Sadly the managers we’ve had have made bad decisions with players.

The money has been there, unquestionably.
So, you think a structure where nobody in senior management above the first team manager has a clue about football is sustainable? They just need to provide stacks of cash and negotiate contracts?

The manager, a position where the club has had 5 different individuals in the role in the last 7 years is then entirely responsible for building the first team playing squad? Not only has the manager changed that often but so has the style of play.

Moyes was sacked before he could do any real damage, LVG wanted only robots with no individuality to play pedestrian boring possession football, Jose wanted physical presence through the spine and a different type of defender who was more physical and better suited to a "low block" and Ole wants pace/movement in attack, energy in midfield and ball playing centre backs.

This has resulted in hundreds of millions of pounds being spent by each manager, only for the next manager to want rid of pretty much every signing of his predecessor. It's almost 7 years since Fergie left the club and still, in any given starting 11 for United now, it's likely that more players in that 11 would have joined the club under Fergie than any other manager.

That is an absolute embarrassment. In any other business, that level of investment with such a disastrous return would result in heads rolling at the very top of the organisation.
 

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So, you think a structure where nobody in senior management above the first team manager has a clue about football is sustainable? They just need to provide stacks of cash and negotiate contracts?

The manager, a position where the club has had 5 different individuals in the role in the last 7 years is then entirely responsible for building the first team playing squad? Not only has the manager changed that often but so has the style of play.

Moyes was sacked before he could do any real damage, LVG wanted only robots with no individuality to play pedestrian boring possession football, Jose wanted physical presence through the spine and a different type of defender who was more physical and better suited to a "low block" and Ole wants pace/movement in attack, energy in midfield and ball playing centre backs.

This has resulted in hundreds of millions of pounds being spent by each manager, only for the next manager to want rid of pretty much every signing of his predecessor. It's almost 7 years since Fergie left the club and still, in any given starting 11 for United now, it's likely that more players in that 11 would have joined the club under Fergie than any other manager.

That is an absolute embarrassment. In any other business, that level of investment with such a disastrous return would result in heads rolling at the very top of the organisation.
Pep was allowed to buy fullbacks in one season then change them the next, bringing in 3 because they wern't good enough. These cost a lot of money. We need 6/7 top players now, to compete. Can't see it happening anytime soon.
 

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Basically another Glazer/Woodward thread.

That just shows all the threads about our current problems end up pointing in their direction.


They are the root of the problem end of.


OP was spot on btw.
 

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Glazers are hardly a problem. People like to convince themselves they haven’t invested in the team and that’s the reason for our failures but it isn’t.

They haven't invested 1 penny.
 

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FSG took over Liverpool for exactly the same reason as the Glazers took over United, to make money out of them. They've chosen a better manager and have been much more successful in the transfer market, so they have been better at it, that's all.
 

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Well said. This probably belongs in its own thread, but why did we buy Dan James?

He’s been good no doubt but really, he’s a left winger, and we have rashford and martial?

Just another strange signing that meant we had to spend another transfer window getting the needed right winger.
 

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Well said. This probably belongs in its own thread, but why did we buy Dan James?

He’s been good no doubt but really, he’s a left winger, and we have rashford and martial?

Just another strange signing that meant we had to spend another transfer window getting the needed right winger.
Ole sees Martial as a number 9.
He left us with one inconsistent and injury prone striker (Martial), and another kid as his backup (Greenwood), but he doesn’t trust him enough to give him substantial minutes in the league, so he plays his starting left winger (Rashford) as a 9, even though it’s getting clearer by the day he isn’t one, so then James becomes our starting left-winger in Martial’s absence from the no.9 position.

Very poor and incredibly naive squad assembly on his part.
 

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Ole sees Martial as a number 9.
He left us with one inconsistent and injury prone striker (Martial), and another kid as his backup (Greenwood), but he doesn’t trust him enough to give him substantial minutes in the league, so he plays his starting left winger (Rashford) as a 9, even though it’s getting clearer by the day he isn’t one, so then James becomes our starting left-winger in Martial’s absence from the no.9 position.

Very poor and incredibly naive squad assembly on his part.
Yes, it’s a mess. The Sanchez signing was another terrible decision, 90% of us thought he would play on the right.
Two signings later and we still don’t have a right winger.
The board have to be meddling in these things, I refuse to believe top level managers like Mourinho and ole more so as a player, would overlook the right wing so blatantly.
The way we dithered over midfield signings for years is evidence.
 

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If fenway group are stupid enough to hire moyes and we hired klopp the situation will be reversed.

Revisionism, check the threads during dalglish era and we're laughing at their board.
Not just Dalglish, we laughed at Rodgers era too when they signed players like Lambert, Balotelli and other poor ones.

It's amazing how manager changes everything and somehow everything is rewritten from there. Liverpool fans used to moan about owners saying they are not spending any money and their money ball approach was nonsense. Once Klopp was signed everything just changed for the club.
 

Andycoleno9

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I hate this shit about rebuilding. And it is five seasons now. We don't need any rebuilding. We need only couple of new players.
We have top class gk, very good defence who can play together for years plus solid backups in Tuanzebe, Bailly and Dalot.
In midfield, if we can convince Pogba to stay, we have leader in him, McT and Pereira are solid cover options. So we need two new midfielders( i don't know what to say about Fred. I think that he can be good for us but i know that i am the only one who thinks that).
In attack we have Martial, James and Rashford. Plus Greenwood and Gomes as players with big potential. Maybe not top class attack but add right winger and top no9 to them and that is it.

So we need only 4 players to have squad for bigger things. But top 4 players. Not another players with "potential" or as squad options. And a new manager of course.
 

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So are you saying we haven't found the right manager or we have? What part of the rebuild are you suggesting we're at?
 

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So, you think a structure where nobody in senior management above the first team manager has a clue about football is sustainable? They just need to provide stacks of cash and negotiate contracts?

The manager, a position where the club has had 5 different individuals in the role in the last 7 years is then entirely responsible for building the first team playing squad? Not only has the manager changed that often but so has the style of play.

Moyes was sacked before he could do any real damage, LVG wanted only robots with no individuality to play pedestrian boring possession football, Jose wanted physical presence through the spine and a different type of defender who was more physical and better suited to a "low block" and Ole wants pace/movement in attack, energy in midfield and ball playing centre backs.

This has resulted in hundreds of millions of pounds being spent by each manager, only for the next manager to want rid of pretty much every signing of his predecessor. It's almost 7 years since Fergie left the club and still, in any given starting 11 for United now, it's likely that more players in that 11 would have joined the club under Fergie than any other manager.

That is an absolute embarrassment. In any other business, that level of investment with such a disastrous return would result in heads rolling at the very top of the organisation.
Excuse me, but where have I said that the senior management is sustainable? I simply made my points that there is an attempted re-build and if we had a good enough manager for a long-term re-build, we would be at the top. This being despite having poor senior management and owners. I made that perfectly clear in my previous post.

Klopp re-built Liverpool, Pep Re-built City, and our club provided ample money, the platform and a title winning squad to re-build it. Problem is, the managers have been wrong.

I get the impression plenty of fans are just annoyed at us being sh!te and direct it all at the owners and CEO, when in reality, it’s been some p!ss poor decisions by the managers we’ve had.

The owners are garbage, as is the CEO, but they have provided funds and money to re-build, which has been my point throughout.